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Hitting Instruction

If this is not an appropriate post for the site, or appropriate location within it, just say the word, or can it, or whatever is necessary. I did some review of the standards, and it could go either way, but it's more on the topic of baseball than many others I've seen in this location. It may be of use to some others in the SSS community as well, so I figured I'd toss it out there. Also, I trust the audience here, more than other sites, to have significantly less bias than the others I've found. Here goes...

I'm in the process of teaching my seven-year-old son hitting. We've done this on and off for years, but with him starting coach-pitch instead of tee ball, I've been trying to get on a serious schedule with it, and along with that I don't want to screw up and have to undo something I've embedded in his brain, in a few years.

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I brought him to a couple private lessons at the Sox training academy over this past fall/winter. It was a great start, and if that's what it takes, I'll keep doing so periodically, but it's a cost I'd like to avoid - especially when I'm sure I could find the basics necessary for his age. Nonetheless the lessons were worth it, just for educating myself on what to prioritize on, instead of trying to correct everything at once. I had no education (other than watching baseball for many years, and playing up until H.S.) on swing mechanics before those lessons, and reading a few articles since then.

At this point, and until I learn of a good reason why another approach would be best specifically for my son, I've decided to frame my approach around rotational (vs. linear) mechanics, by purchasing "The Science of Hitting" by Ted Williams. There seems to be no disagreement regarding the quality of its content, which is an amazing testament, considering the changes in approach and differing opinions there seem to be on everything regarding this subject, since that point in time.

However, the book only covers what a hitter should do, not how to do it or how to teach it. On the other hand, perhaps the concepts from the book, let alone going beyond it is way more than someone my son's age can grasp, or devote enough attention to (even if I try relating it at his level). Regardless, at some point this information will be useful for me/him, and I can gauge how he handles it, throttle the quantity in the meantime, and at least be confident that the things I'm telling him are on the correct track. So much of what I've read shows examples of the tips coaches give simply because it's what everyone has always done, and don't revise their approach based on what good hitters actually do. Or they change something the kid is doing "right", because it doesn't match the historical guideposts they are accustomed to.

The first resource that looked like it had potential, which probably is no surprise to anyone versed on the topic, is Mike Epstein's site. As interesting as it is, being the person who seems to have made the term Rotational Hitting a common one, it is mainly geared toward private lessons, which are in Colorado. He does offer a good variety of products to do it yourself. I'm tempted to check some of these out, but it's difficult to tell how extensive the content is.

This led me to find reviews on Epstein's products. That's when I discovered Chris O'Leary's site. While the lack of a robust site made me suspicious of purchasing anything at first, I did read through his material. He seems to be on the same page as Epstein, but indicates that even he advocates for some things that are simply not what the great hitters actually do. He makes some good points and seems pretty thorough on the topic. I'm also tempted to purchase his "Rotational Hitting 101 DVD," but I'm not done researching this topic yet.

Has anyone used any of the above, or other products with/without success? Has anyone else gone through this process?

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The book

*You Can Teach Hitting" by Dusty Baker is fucking excellent. My dad used a lot of drills in the book for me when I was a kid and when I played in high school and the Mexican League, I would refer to it a lot for my own purposes. I highly, highly, recommend this book if you want to teach hitting. They have beginner stuff and advanced stuff.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

another couple good things to do for your son

Make him hit off a tee against a wall or the garage door with whiffle or ragballs. Try to get him to never hit the rubber part, of course, so swing down on the ball

. When I played hardball in my 20’s a teammate of mine buried a steel pole in his backyard and we got a couple hitaway’s http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000ATXQI/ref=asc_df_B0000ATXQI1890101/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=395021&creativeASIN=B0000ATXQI&linkCode=asn … the only problem here is you have to make sure his mechanics are sound otherwise he will be doing harmful repetition exercises. I used to spend hours on weekend afternoons hitting that thing, it builds strength and muscle memory and it paid large dividends.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 6, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I also reccomend Hit-A-Ways

I was having a rough season, and we had like a 2 week break without a game(My travel coach scheduled games wrong). I spent 6 hours a day on that hit-a-way for two weeks, and when the play got back after that break, I was hitting like myself again, and I felt like I had a little more power. I wish I had one from when I started playing because it is one of my favorite ways to practice my swing.

by dasox313 on Feb 7, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

how much does he like baseball?

I think the big thing is nurturing a love of the game. If you can get him watching all the time, you’ll be surprised at how little you have to teach and how much better teaching goes over. Humans learn a lot by imitation. If you can get a mental picture of good hitters in his head, he’ll have a serious advantage. That and realistic reps. Big fan of using a tee into a net instead of batting cages though.

But for real: the guys who made it past HS were absolutely obsessive about their craft. They had remarkable intuition for what was going on with their swing. Love of the game goes a long way toward that.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

I want him to have a love of the game, and have fun with it more than anything. I have Sox games on a few times each week, he also goes a time or two each year, and he’ll be interested, but not to the point of being glued to the game. Just doesn’t have the patience/attention span for it.

I was pretty much like him at his age. Liked baseball, loved going to games, in but wasn’t into it. Then when I was like 12, the Sox were Winning Ugly, and I started to become more focused on the game. But that was just too late to start caring if you haven’t worked on skills prior, and didn’t have the resources to make up for lost time. My feeling is that you are correct. And, that is the ideal situation. However, I also think that the passion for the game, if not natural, and beyond watching/talking about games, could be fostered through success on the field, as long as it doesn’t mean over training (and I’m definitely trying to be cognizant of not going beyond the point of him having fun when practicing).

Thanks for the insight.

by bevingtonsTallBoy on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah it's a difficult thing to foster

it’s the rare kid who for whatever reason finds a given sport incredibly compelling no matter what else is going on around him. but there are levels of commitment after that that can keep a kid teachable. it sounds like he’s interested enough to be responsive to coaching and different techniques. that’s at least enough to keep him going into high school and to have fun with the game.

as far as technique, i think you’ll find a lot teaches and corrects itself if you place the tee correctly in the first place. a lot of kids that age go out and reach for the pitch. makes the swing very arm-y/lunge-y. with the tee and the ball in the right place, that kind of swing isn’t possible to both execute and actually hit the ball. after that, you just have to make sure they’re hitting on a closed front leg and not bailing out and you pretty much have to make a good swing. with enough reps, it becomes comfortable enough to actually repeat in games.

So fast he could hit a ball up the middle and it would hit him in the ass sliding into second.

by colintj on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think bat size/weight is important

I remember when I started playing, I would just grab the nearest bat and get to the plate. Being on the smaller size as a child I wasn’t doing myself any favors. My coach eventually talked with my mum and with the help of a very knowledgeable guy at Sports Authority got a bat that suited me perfectly. It made my life a lot easier, made me a better hitter and therefore made me enjoy playing that much more.

I, unfortunately, do not have great insight as to how you’re supposed to pair a bat to a person, but if you haven’t done so already, take a good look at that.

by jeeves on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

If the kid is seven he should probably be swing a 27 depending on his height/weight

If he is a big kid maaaaybe a 28. I am a proponent for smaller bats. You can just handle it better and you really shouldn’t be looking for power at that age but kids think a bigger bat will make a ball go farther, which is complete horseshit of course. Too heavy a bat you’ll get bad habits, too light a bat you can atleast maneauver through the zone and do what you want to the ball and that way it is one less thing to worry about mechanics wise.

At age seven you probably want to start talking about “squashing the bug” with the back foot in order to get hip twist, Aform with the legs to get balance and drive the legs and bringing your chin from your front shoulder as you wait to swing to your back shoulder on the follow through (this helps keep the head down). Easier said than done but if the kid picks any of it up, it will help alot.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 7, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Great feedback, Rhoobie.

Thanks.

We're all here because we're not all there.

by winningugly on Feb 7, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I was a student of hitting when I was a kid, I was a good hitter because I practiced hitting...then by my junior year in high school I was also hitting various other things as well...fucking burnout...I played through varsity and hit very well but

I was high before half the games but still hit like .360 my senior year…I hit .427 my sophomore year but the varsity coach preferred football players so they had a senior linebacker starting at 3B my junior year, he was complete horseshit, I got like 20 AB’s…to my young self it was a tragedy that I could not forgive…so I rebelled. I suppose the one thing I lacked was perseverence.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 7, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

To make it silly for the kid in regard to the chin from front to back shoulder to keep his eye on the ball

You call it Ike-to-Mike…Ike is the front shoulder, Mike is the back shoulder. All the little memories are flooding my brain now. Makes me hate myself for playing softball.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You are a wealth of baseball knowledge

I wish I had a coach that knew half of what you did when I was younger.

by dasox313 on Feb 7, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for that, I hope my kid likes baseball

he is two and throws lefty, so I’d like to think he could be a LOOGY one day but I hope he shares my passion for hitting. My grandfather, father and I all were pretty good hitters so I hope he is too. His mother was damn good at softball so it should come naturally.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea

How many years did you play in the Mexican League?

by dasox313 on Feb 7, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It was the suburban mexican league not the mexican league in mexico, lol

Huge difference!

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Feb 7, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I cant remember who told me this

but someone suggested it, and its works wonders…

mine has problems staying linear in the box so i bought a 4×6 and told him he had to stay on that, anything off the board was a deduction or he was in the lava…it was fun for him and we still have a lot of work to do but he steps forward a lot better and doesnt move all over the place while swinging anymore. im sure that will change the first time he gets plunked.

"Statistics are about as interesting as first base coaches" Jim Bouton

by Grinder Rule #42 on Feb 11, 2012 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

try flip drills. they worked wonders for my brother.

just get a bunch of whiffle balls and flip em in the backyard.

i don’t really remember what i did other than continuously hit. id go to the batting cages (stella’s in riverside was my place of choice), my dad would pitch to me, we’d play home run derby… just kept swinging.

even though my mechanics weren’t the best (i stepped in the bucket a lot)… my struggles came from good curveballs. i could still smoke a fastball to this day (unless i lost it over the winter like adam dunn).

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by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 11, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

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