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Slowing down the running game still starts with Pierzynski

Mark Buehrle won't be able to help prop up A.J. Pierzynski's defensive numbers.

It's fun having a new manager in town from an educational perspective, if only because fresh leadership inevitably reveals what the previous regime did or didn't do in contrast.

Usually the comparisons are made in a subtle fashion (Robin Ventura running his camp, for example), and often times they're more observational than judgmental. But there's little that's subtle about A.J. Pierzynski, and he dropped a potentially revelatory quote about Ozzie Guillen's leadership in a story about the White Sox's renewed efforts to stop the running game:

"We have the ability to be very good at it," catcher A.J. Pierzynski said. "Over the past couple years — especially me in general — we've taken a beating for something we never cared about. (The previous coaching staff) just didn't care about it. They had other things to worry about, and it's refreshing and it's nice to know that it's a high priority and it's something we're going to try to do.

"We've talked about this before. It takes three people to stop the baserunning — the pitcher, the catcher and whoever is covering second base. It's something we needed to work on. It cost us runs in the past and hopefully with the work we're putting in, it will help once the games start."

Alas, any story that has Pierzynski as the primary source can't be taken at face value, because he's like the unreliable narrator in a Randy Newman song. Objective evaluation is not his strong suit -- he grades himself extremely easily while occasionally shifting blame onto others, and in this case, it's always easy to blame people who are no longer around. And it also has to be tempting considering one of those people (Ozzie Guillen) called out Pierzynski for pointing fingers and told him to wear his terrible caught-stealing percentage last year.

It was one of Guillen's few redeeming moments in 2011, and more meaningful than usual since he covered for Pierzynski earlier in the season.

Star-divide

From watching the White Sox and then watching other teams .. well, the problem very much starts with Pierzynski. His throws just don't get there. White Sox pitchers aren't awesome at holding runners, and sometimes Alexei Ramirez fails to help him with a close call, but Pierzynski's throws simply take a loftier trajectory compared to other catchers.

I look at Gavin Floyd as the litmus test. He slide-steps and varies his timing to the point that it seems like he's paying too much attention to the runners. In 2010, he held runners to just seven steals in 11 attempts. In 2011, they ran wild on him, swiping 23 bases in 25 tries. Pierzynski, of course, thinks Floyd still doesn't do enough.

I'm sure Pierzynski's defensive stats are a sore spot for him, and given how Pierzynski can't control everything about caught-stealing rate, he would probably appreciate as much help as possible. However, the available evidence suggests the ceiling for improvement is a low one. They might already be bumping up against it.

Times isn't on Pierzynski's side. Hoping a 35-year-old can improve his defense at any position is asking for the impossible (Jermaine Dye in right field, for instance), and now we're talking about a catcher to boot. Even if he were the type to take the bullet, I don't think that would help the Sox truly turn the tables on the opposition.

But it certainly doesn't inspire faith if Pierzynski is as unaccountable as his public quotes indicate. He needs to buy into the solutions more than anybody. Otherwise, the root of the problem will remain untreated.

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Actually, that's one of the 2 things for which I give Ozzie credit:

Running a pitching staff, and NOT caring about the opponent’s running game. That’s probably the LEAST important aspect of playing catcher, or at least that was true before this new non-offense era.
This may be interesting to some:
3 catchers talking about their roles (from Baseball Prospectus):
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10775

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Mar 1, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

I get all that Chiburb but allowing an almost 80 success rate

and especially with the frequency is a big problem.

"Rooting for the Twins is just a roundabout way of rooting for a first-round playoff bye for the Yankees." by big_fun

by Tdogg on Mar 1, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Flowers

I don’t follow this as closely as I probably should. But what’s Flowers’ success rate either in his short stint as a starter last year or in the minors? Just wondering if he could make an impact. I’m guessing not since AJ is going to take the majority of the starts.

by WaughSox on Mar 1, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

24% CS in the pros, 27% in AAA last year.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Mar 1, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

polodude made an astute observation the other day how funny it is

that the Guillen regime didn’t care about limiting stolen bases defensively but when WS players were on base they overvalued the stolen base to a fault. To me, that just shows how insane the thought process had been the last few years.

It came from afar and traveled sedately on, a shrug of eternity

by Rhubarb on Mar 1, 2012 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

Given his production in '10, I don't blame Ozzie for running him (to at least start) '11.

My objection would be the outs he gave up when the 8 or 9 hole got on with 2 outs. Seemed that was auto-go often ending an inning.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Mar 1, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

true, but the greenlight seemed to be stuck "on" for much of the early season

if he could see Dunn’s swing was trouble in spring training, why didn’t he see JP’s flaccid hammies in spring training?

White Sox 2012: Helplessly rebuilding?

by greenlight on Mar 1, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Knowing there was a possibility the Sox were making more history (or at least recent history)

I looked at how this season’s awfulness stealing bases was in any way remarkable. Basically, how many teams of the last decade have sucked as much as the Sox did stealing bases, yet brazenly kept running. Only two teams in the last decade were able to surpass the 2011 ineptitude (60% success on 130+ attempts).

2002 Twins-56% in 141 attempts

Dishonorable mention
Guzman-12 for 25
Koskie-10 for 21
Jacque-6 for 13

2003 Indians-59% in 147

Dishonorable mention
Crisp-15 for 24
Blake-7 for 16
Gerut/Phillips-8 for 18

Falling just below the 130 attempt line (but still succeeding a horrible 60%) was the 2004 White Sox. Uribe leading the charge with a 9 for 20.

Why is such awfulness the property of 1 division? Trying to remember who the catchers were back then.

by MelidoPerez on Mar 1, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

'04 would have been a tough year in the division.

just off the top of my head, ivan rodriguez signed with the tigers and inge was there, too. and the twins had henry blanco and joe mauer.

by larry on Mar 1, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

The Tigers gunned down 37% of would be thieves that year.

League average was 32%. Pretty nice. Twins were at 38%. The Sox even pulled in at 35%.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Mar 1, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

And the Miggy Olivo era was going on here

That’s a pretty damn good set of catching arms in one division. Wonder why they never just told Guzman, etc. to just stop.

by MelidoPerez on Mar 1, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

b-r.com records a stat called Runner Bases Added.

These are bases the opposing team got via stolen bases, wild pitches, or passed balls while each catcher was behind the plate. AJ had the 2nd-highest RBA in baseball last season with 194. If you turn it into a rate stat using plate appearances caught (min 3,000 PA, 21 total catchers) AJ is 2nd-highest again. But the worst in that rate is Salty, and he was Wakefield’s main catcher. He led the majors by far in passed balls.

Interestingly, Wieters dominates the other catchers in that RBA rate. His rate was less than half of AJ’s with about 700 more PAs caught. This corroborates the advanced defensive metrics, in both Wieters’ rWAR and bWAR his fielding contributed 1 full win.

by 3E8 on Mar 1, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is excellent. Thanks.

The lords of dawn are men such as Mr. Lucy.

by Uribe Down on Mar 1, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

One team that values Catchers Defense

THe cardinals, giving molina 75 million, WOW WHOA WE WA WA

We are talking about a catcher coming off a flukey offensive season now having been paid withou pujols in the lineup trying to live up to a 15 mil a year contract ….

His career OPS 707… that has potential to be a disaster of a contract. They better hope they get his career year 2011 season for 5 more years

by Knoxfire30 on Mar 1, 2012 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

It's 1-2 years too long

But other than that, seems like a fine per year deal for his 29-31 seasons, assuming he’s not older.

fcdisbad.blogspot.com

by Carbiner on Mar 1, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I've become chiburb

past 5 years 738, 99 OPS + blah blah fuck colons

fcdisbad.blogspot.com

by Carbiner on Mar 1, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think

he is a bad offensive player… we will see if 2011 was a fluke or not, 15 mil per season, seems like they were bidding against themselves post pujols era, the catching market is pretty deep heading into next offseason

by Knoxfire30 on Mar 1, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

$15 mil is what? A 3 win season in todays market

As an above average catcher that seems reasonable. In the final year factoring in inflation, he probably only needs to be a 2 win player which also seems reasonable

Follow @gpierce112

by joewho112 on Mar 1, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

There's still a solid chance

That he’s defensively underrated by WAR, so even if it’s nothing but 2 WAR seasons he could well be providing. Easily the best defensive catcher.

fcdisbad.blogspot.com

by Carbiner on Mar 1, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw what you did there.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Mar 1, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The B.S. Report made a special road trip to the White House yesterday to make podcast history: the first-ever podcast with a sitting U.S. President. Take that, Marc Maron! Even if we only had 25 minutes, Grantland editor-in-chief Bill Simmons and President Obama covered a bunch of sports-related topics, including how the President manages to make time to follow sports; his feelings on Linsanity and the Bulls’ title chances; whether he considered getting involved with the NBA lockout; the wisdom of a college football playoff system; his feelings on concussions and the NFL; what it’s like to throw out the first pitch before baseball games; his favorite White House visits from championship teams; coaching his daughter’s basketball team; the pearls of wisdom he recently dispensed to Chris Paul and Blake Griffin; and his answers to two “greatest ever” questions (one basketball, one television).

You can listen to the B.S. Report with President Obama on ESPN.com Podcenter or on iTunes.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Mar 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the White Sox relevant bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S00BavfxR84&feature=player_embedded

Also youtube commenters should probably be mass murdered. Haven’t listened to the whole podcast but it’s nothing especially groundbreaking. Personally I just like listening to Obama talk, hurray for having a vaguely intelligent sounding president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

fcdisbad.blogspot.com

by Carbiner on Mar 1, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

lol youtube commenting

you can be watching a goddamn cat video and the over/under of comments it takes for it to devolve into and argument about either obamacare or american idol is about 15.

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Mar 1, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Not too surprising

He had him lined up as a guest four years ago, but ESPN spiked it.

by Yinka Double Dare on Mar 1, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Not me. My mom did it with a dog. I'm an Afghan-born socialist.

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

John Kenneth Galbraith

by Chiburb on Mar 1, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

His is a snuggie.

"He's not even a Sox fan! He roots for the Kandahar Coyotes of the Jihad League, and is actively trying to get them to trade for Khalid Sheikh Rodriguez."

by RWShow on Mar 2, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

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