Is Torii Hunter an Angel?

ughh if we get rowand now...

im gonna cry

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 1:07 AM CST reply actions

MLB

Has a few paragraphs now...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071122&content_id=2306608&vkey=hotstove2007&fe xt=.jsp

He not busy being born is busy dying.

by Toonderstrook on Nov 22, 2007 1:17 AM CST reply actions

This is good and bad.

Good, because I didn't want KW overpaying Hunter, bad because it means we're that much closer to overpaying The Legend.

by Grig on Nov 22, 2007 1:20 AM CST reply actions

please sign andruw

kenny please!

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 1:26 AM CST up reply actions

You still have all the teams who were thought to be in on Hunter probably pursuing Rowand now. Obviously the White Sox will have the inside track there, but the price just got much steeper, perhaps even too rich for the Sox.

Then they're down to Jones and Cameron who I figure are something like Plan F and G in their plans. They could conceivably be looking at re-upping with Erstad.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 22, 2007 1:26 AM CST up reply actions

id rather go owens in center

so instead of pitching to torii hunter we were talking with linebrink... ughh.. o well maybe kenny will have something up his sleeve

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 1:29 AM CST up reply actions

Re-upping Erstad is far from the worst thing

that could happen.

That's how bad things are -- signing Erstad to $6M deal would be better than the almost all the apparent alternatives at this point.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 22, 2007 1:38 AM CST up reply actions

You're right

Erstad might be the most palatable option the White Sox front office is considering. Cuz, you know, Jones (Boras) and Cameron haven't crossed their mind.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 22, 2007 1:47 AM CST up reply actions

I disagree!

bringing back Erstad is the worst thing that could happen

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed.

Bringing up any, and I mean -any- outfielder from our farm system would be better than Erstad. Yes, even Terstado.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 22, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

How could they possibly bring Erstad or Owens

back? They're praying for replacement level offensive contribution at that point.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 1:41 AM CST up reply actions

That would be apocalyptic.

If they resign Erstad.. I really don't know what I do. Cry for days, most likely. Ritualistic burning of White Sox gear? I don't know.

Andruw Jones would make it all okay.

by Grig on Nov 22, 2007 1:28 AM CST reply actions

if they resigned erstad

id become a cubs fan no doubt

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 1:30 AM CST up reply actions

I absolutely hate that guy

I can't watch his f-ing face in a sox uniform again

if our options are down to darin effin erstad, bring Pods back

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

Haha... damn, old man!

I didn't know you felt that strongly about Tinkerbell. I don't want him in a Sox uni either... I'd much rather see BA or Terrero out there.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Nov 22, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions

Would we rather overpay Hunter or Aaron?

Hunter's got more power and a better walk rate, Aaron's two years younger. I don't think I want either and would rather take a 3/30 for Fukudome.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 1:39 AM CST reply actions

If Fukodome really only wants $10M a year

I really wish the Sox would sign him, move Dye to LF and just stick freaking Owens in CF. To think -- Linebrink's contract is about two-thirds of what Fukodome's contract would cost.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 22, 2007 1:45 AM CST up reply actions

again you're probably right

We normally don't agree this much. I'm scared.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 22, 2007 1:48 AM CST up reply actions

Dye should be in left anyway.

Which is something I always forget when I get all "I would do this." Anyway, from what I've read, Fukudome can play center more than adequately. Dye-Fuku-Fields is solid and fairly cheap if Fuku's only getting 10 per. I don't see why Fuku can't be the guy to solve our leadoff/cf woes. Even if he hits very poorly and goes .250/.330/.380, that's still Coco Crisp and not Jerry Owens and doesn't cost prospects.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 2:24 AM CST up reply actions

On the other hand...

The LAA are making fascinating moves. They must be planning on shipping GMJr and their extra starter (Santana?) to FLA for Cabrera along with almost all of GMJr's salary. What an excellent trade that would be for them -- must be nice to have enough money to recover from a mistake by acquiring MCab.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 22, 2007 1:42 AM CST reply actions

This is what it looks like

when you get fed up with bowing out in the playoffs and decide to win the '08 WS.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 3:15 AM CST up reply actions

Bye Torii

I thought everyone was petrified about the possibility of the Sox signing Hunter. Now that he's out of the picture, shouldn't we be glad we can take a shot at Jones or someone cheaper? Have some faith in Kenny. He did alright in 05 and 06. Let's just wait a bit before jumping off the roof.

by Raf on Nov 22, 2007 1:52 AM CST reply actions

PLZ KENNY PLZ!!!

All I want for Christ-mas is Andruw Jones.

"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Nov 22, 2007 1:58 AM CST reply actions

I would like to hear

what money you'd want him for and why.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 3:09 AM CST up reply actions

All I want for Xmas is Lastings Milledge!

:p

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions

Hunter's not stupid

He kept saying on his tour that he wanted to win a championship. Boston and NY didn't seem to be interested.

Even though the Rangers have what is now considered a Top 5 farm system, it's hard to have too much more hope about their immediate future than the White Sox or Royals.

If I could, I would put money on the Angels winning a title during Hunter's contract against the chances of all the other (non-dodger) clubs who were courting him.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 22, 2007 2:24 AM CST reply actions

but he went to the team that made the best offer

I think the Sox and royals offers were at 5/75, the rangers at under 15 for 6 years, and the twins 3/45

it's not like he chose a smaller offer in order to go to team more likely to win

by The Wizard on Nov 23, 2007 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

LA Times now says 5/$90MM

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 22, 2007 2:49 AM CST reply actions

Woa

Why were so many Sox fans out there in Chicago in recent days dreading the possible signing of Hunter? The money? Age? The money plus the age?
I'm out here in Hawaii-originally from Chicago- and just heard that he signed with the Angeles. Have to admit I was bummed out because I've been mightily impressed with his play on the Twinkies. Yet, $90MM seems a bit much.

by egardne on Nov 22, 2007 2:59 AM CST up reply actions

basically, he's a candidate to age very poorly

As soon as he can't play center anymore, he becomes an average left fielder and those are easy enough to find. That's assuming his bat doesn't fall off, either. My guess: 36 million of those dollars will pay for consecutive .250/.320/.460 seasons, one as a bad CF, the other in left.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 3:09 AM CST up reply actions

Does A Jones fall into the same category then?

by egardne on Nov 22, 2007 3:19 AM CST up reply actions

No

Andruw Jones is younger. The general attachment to Jones derives from a couple of different things, though. First, Jones is perceived to be a better defender at this current point in time than Hunter is. Second -- and this may contribute to the first one -- Jones is a year or two younger than Hunter (don't feel like checkin' bb-ref now). Third, there's a perception that Jones may have to end up settling for a one or two year deal (not necessarily a two year deal, but perhaps something like a five year deal with an opt out).

And I guess I should also add that Jones, up until last year, has been a much better offensive player.

Unfortunately, my confidence in the people running this team has hit an all time low. One thing Kenny hasn't done in his tenure was overpaid for not-great relievers. I didn't think that was something he was going to do, as he's always built his bullpens through scrap-heap signings and nifty trades, but giving 4/$19 to Linebrink takes that away.

I tried to avoid much of the doom and gloom but damn. I really had faith that Kenny -- to put it bluntly -- knew what he was doing, but damn, it's hard to think that right now.

by CWSKeith on Nov 22, 2007 4:29 AM CST up reply actions

Not that we were going to get Andruw Jones before

but we definitely aren't signing him now if Hunter gets 5-years, $90 million. I hope Kenny enjoyed busting his nut on a $19 million dollar reliever when we have holes in CF and LF. Looks like Jerry Owens is a lock to be in one of those spots now. Great...

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 5:50 AM CST up reply actions

I'm sure Kenny will restore your faith in him...

when he gives The Legend a 5-year, $75 million dollar deal. Haha...

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 6:03 AM CST up reply actions

By the way...

Like I said a few weeks ago, Albert Belle is still the last big name free agent position player that the White Sox have shelled out the cash for.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 6:15 AM CST reply actions

what about paulie?

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

he was

already on our team though

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

wasn't he a Free Agent at the time?

wasn't his contract over at the time?

it must've been; I remember him talking with other teams

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 6:35 PM CST up reply actions

ya but

its not as big of a move when he played the last season on your team.

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 6:39 PM CST up reply actions

So what does our bullpen look like now?

Wassermann
Logan
MacDougal
Thornton
Linebrink
Jenks

It seems like once Kenny heard that Hunter was going to sign with the Angels, he decided the throw money at Linebrink. Aardsma, Masset, and Sisco all need to be traded.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 7:00 AM CST reply actions

That Hunter, what a weasel

He really had me going when he went on and on praising how true the grass was at the Cell. Damn, I thought fer sure he was digging us.

"We've missed a little bit of that grind and edge and we've got to get that back." - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Nov 22, 2007 7:02 AM CST reply actions

Haha, WSCR 670 "The Score" is saying...

that Kenny got outbid by $20 million by the Angels. Sounds like Kenny offered a 5-year, $70 million contract to Hunter. I wouldn't be surprised if the same contract nets us Rowand. I sure wish Andruw Jones didn't have Boras as his agent...

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 7:45 AM CST reply actions

Gary Matthews Jr. just became aavailable.

by ballyb on Nov 22, 2007 8:20 AM CST reply actions

Without the roids, he is mediocre...

.252/.323/.419/.742

I would rather give Brian Anderson another shot than add an old, expensive, and mediocre hitter.

Scioscia said that Matthews will play all outfield spots while giving Vlad and Garret Anderson time at DH according to this article.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 8:28 AM CST up reply actions

Juan Rivera...

now that the Angels have a ton of outfielders, a decent move might be to trade one of our bum relievers like Andy Sisco or Nick Masset to the Angels for Juan Rivera. He might be a decent LF'er for us.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

According to the Associated Press, it's 5 / $90...

Link:

The Los Angeles Angels, who have been trying to land another strong hitter for several years, agreed to a five-year, $90 million deal Wednesday with free agent Torii Hunter, who hit .297 with 28 homers and drove in 107 runs for Minnesota this year.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 8:32 AM CST reply actions

And per ESPN.com:

Link:

Outfielder Torii Hunter and the Los Angeles Angels reached a preliminary agreement Wednesday night on a five-year contract thought to be worth $90 million.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 8:34 AM CST up reply actions

I guess this would be great news...

if we were fans of a team that needs a CF'er and actually deals with Scott Boras. Now, Kenny's down to Aaron Rowand, Kosuke_Fukudome, and Mike Cameron. Since Andruw Jones is a pipe-dream, my top choice would be Kosuke Fukudome.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 8:52 AM CST reply actions

Time for some good news...

According to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, after receiving a five-year, $93 million offer from the Twins, Johan Santana made a counter-offer for $126 million.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 9:00 AM CST reply actions

The Angels came out of nowhere..

Who knew they wanted Hunter? Why can't we pull something like this without the whole league knowing about it?

by ckimcircles on Nov 22, 2007 9:29 AM CST reply actions

Because Kenny is still waiting for...

free agent market adjustment.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 9:33 AM CST up reply actions

re

Why can't we pull something like this

like what?

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Owens in

center. I don't think Kenny wants to outbid any team for an outfielder.

by ckimcircles on Nov 22, 2007 9:31 AM CST reply actions

I wouldn't be surprised if we signed Rowand now...

but his price just went up to around $75 million for 5 years. That may be too high for Kenny as well. And Andruw Jones is a pipe-dream. I wouldn't mind signing Mike Cameron for 2 - 3 years but the fact that he will miss the first 25 games next season sucks.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 9:36 AM CST up reply actions

Any rumors on the market for Cameron?

If he can get more than two years, it's best to let him go elsewhere. If not, he'd be a good signing. No idea if Hunter's contract will raise his value.

Speaking of rumors, is it unusual that 12 hours after the news broke the only identified source for the Linebrink signing is Bruce Levine's report? Shouldn't corroborating reports (as with Hunter's signing) exist by now if there's a deal?

by asinwreck on Nov 22, 2007 9:40 AM CST reply actions

It sounds like the signing will be official...

by next week. I remember this happening a few times last offseason. Last year, there were many rumors of signings or trades that MLB.com posted on their website that weren't official for a few days. Just put it this way -- if they are posting this rumor on WhiteSox.com, you can bet your left nut that it's official.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions

I'm so sick of these rumors

with Hunter getting close, Rowand coming back, Miguel Cabrebra, etc.....Joe Cowley just spews garbage half the time with no real cred.

by ckimcircles on Nov 22, 2007 10:00 AM CST up reply actions

disinformation

Maybe they feed the press this stuff to conceal what's really going on.

The press can't say they got lied to because they rely on getting scoops. You expose a guy for misleading you, and you'll never get a "scoop" again. Plus the guy will throw you under the bus anyway.

No wonder the press are jerks sometimes, when they get used by players, agents and/or management.

by ruffster on Nov 22, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions

I was always on the fence

when it came to going after Hunter. Like many here, I wanted to see the team get younger before they started dishing out 5 year deals to 32 year-old players. But with the Cabrera and Linebrink moves, and KW's 'balls to the wall' to win in 2008 mentality, missing on Hunter is really a kick in the pants. I hope Kenny feels the pressure on his back as it's pressed against the wall. If he wants to make good on 2008, he's really going to need to pull something out of his ass--and that something needs to be more than Aaron Rowand or Mike Cameron.

by HulkSmash on Nov 22, 2007 9:55 AM CST reply actions

Kenny is screwed now...

the only CF'er worth signing is Andruw Jones but that isn't going to happen with Boras around. I guess Kenny can still trade for a CF'er but I'd rather give up money than good prospects for one.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 10:05 AM CST up reply actions

You didn't want

Hunter... Now KW is screwed? No he's not you just hate KW lol.

"Because I'm Chevy Chase and you're not."

by Soulja Boy on Nov 22, 2007 8:51 PM CST up reply actions

Please

Jones or Rowand

AIM : Option27

by Option27 @ South Side Sox on Nov 22, 2007 10:06 AM CST reply actions

or The Great Fuku

or even better: Lastings Milledge!

:p

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions

How messed up would it be...

if Kenny misses out on all four top CF free agents (Hunter, Jones, Rowand, and Cameron) and we wind up with Owens or Erstad in CF. Kill me now.

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 10:09 AM CST reply actions

please no erstad kenny

I'm allergic to him

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

How about this?

Sign Kosuke Fukudome for 3-years, $30 million (give or take a few million). Trade Crede or some of our reliever excess to the Angels for OF Juan Rivera, assuming he is healthy from his broken leg. You could probably get around an .800 OPS from every member of our outfield then and you would still have some OBP at the top of the order...

CF Kosuke Fukudome
SS Orlando Cabrera
DH Jim Thome
1B Paul Konerko
RF Jermaine Dye
3B Josh Fields
LF Juan Rivera
C A.J. Pierzynski
2B Danny Richar

Sign another reliever (Yasuhiko Yabuta?) and use the money saved from not overpaying a top CF'er on another starter (Bartolo Colon?). Stay cheap with the bench (Owens, Bourgeois, etc.).

by SSH2005 on Nov 22, 2007 10:23 AM CST reply actions

this arrangment..

would be awesome.. I'd soo take this dude.. Sorry.. got the jon garland thing going.. I never thought I would see garland and hunter live in l.a., but now that it seems like reality, Th angels should be serious, serious contenders, expecially if they pull off a miggy trade.. forget about it. They would have around the same veteran, younger presence as boston has right now in weaver, aybar, willits, wood, and cabrera to build around. I would assume kendrick, adenhart, and santana to be sucked up in this trade, but this is indeed how you turn over a team. The angels have been, perhaps too patient on some front, but with miggy cabrera, that patience will indeed pay off.

Hopefully the sox could pry rivera away and fukudome could sign up with the sox for a 3 year/team option for 4th year contract. Everything about that guy is certain you will upgrade there.

It's all about the SOX baby! www.firestarclothing.com

by Eternalkonflict on Nov 22, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions

The guy is playing RF in Japan

I don't think CF is an option for him. I would like to sign him for LF or RF, but him playing CF in MLB is a bit of a pipe dream.

by bhoov on Nov 22, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know

The Angels have Figgins why would the want Crede

I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell

by chisox on Nov 22, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

Congrats, Kenny

With these bush-league moves over the last year, you are cementing the White Sox as the clear #2 in Chicago. Go to hell.

by LVSoxFan on Nov 22, 2007 11:36 AM CST reply actions

Rowand fits better anyways

Torii has a history of breaking our hearts.

The hell with him.

AIM : Option27

by Option27 @ South Side Sox on Nov 22, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions

Remember, (Bruce) Levine said

"he was positive Konerko was going to be dealt."

Definitely more to come

by ballyb on Nov 22, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions

Darn!

I had Dec. 11th for the ARow signing. Now, it looks like it'll be a few days sooner.

by White Sox Randy on Nov 22, 2007 12:11 PM CST reply actions

I don't fault KW here.

The 5/70 offer was a fair one for Hunter. The Angels decided to overspend and they are in a terrific position to do so.

It's gonna be good to be an Angels fan. But, I have a feeling KW will come out ok. He got the Sox a decent reliever without giving up any players atleast. It's not that bad.

Sign ARow now and maybe they will trade Jose and Paulie ? Atleast it's getting exciting !

by White Sox Randy on Nov 22, 2007 12:19 PM CST reply actions

angels can have hunter....

.... I don't think he's that much better than Matthews anyway.

by ruffster on Nov 22, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

just a few questions

who can we trade with for Crede? I know most of the NL west needs a 3b, but what other teams are in the market with possible bullpen talent

anyway we can pry coco from Boston?

who willl start in LF?

4-5th starter? please sign someone to a one-year deal because i already have a case of the gavin floyds

by tubesox on Nov 22, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions

Great news!

Torii Hunter at 18 million a year through age 37? No thanks. Good job by KW. Offer him a reasonable contract and if someone wants to overpay, let them. I don't think this drives up the price for Andruw Jones. The guy hit .222 last year with decreased power. I'd offer hime the same as Hunter and be willing to go up to 5/75. More than that? He can walk. Rowand? 4/48. If not. See ya.

I'd rather see Owens/Anderson with Fukodome in left than overpay for anybody.

by bhoov on Nov 22, 2007 12:41 PM CST reply actions

What about Reggie Willits?

by ballyb on Nov 22, 2007 1:42 PM CST reply actions

He can't play center

so I don't think it would work well. I still think we should try to get him if he's cheap, but as a 4th OF and very frequent pinch hitter.

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 22, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

its time to go all out

to get delmon young or carl crawford from the rays. give them what it takes besides fields. id rather have delmon young though because hell be less money and better than crawford eventually

by Jbasic89 on Nov 22, 2007 1:59 PM CST reply actions

yabuta

[kc star]:

But the Royals are making a push. They already have an agreement in place with Japanese reliever Yasuhiko Yabuta and believe new manager Trey Hillman's five years in Japan offers a further enticement. ... The Royals expect to confirm their signing of Yabuta within a few days _ once he arrives in the United States and takes a physical examination. The two-year deal is believed to be valued at about $5 million to $6 million but includes performance bonuses and a club option for 2010.

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 6:54 PM CST reply actions

who wants to bet

this guy substantially outperforms linebrink?

by larry on Nov 23, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

I don't be surprised if this guy does...

or the guy that the Indians signed, Kobayashi.

It was a stupid signing. It's almost like once Kenny heard that Torii Hunter was signing with the Angels, he threw a bunch of money at Linebrink because he doesn't plan on offering any other CF'er (like Andruw Jones) a 5-year, $75 million dollar contract.

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Errr, "won't".

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

...comes to america

mlb.com:

Right-handed reliever Yasuhiko Yabuta is about to leave Japan for Kansas City. Whether the move will be permanent or not is still in question.

No deal is official but the Royals are believed to have an agreement pending with Yabuta for a multiyear deal to join the bullpen. Everything hinges on Yabuta passing a physical examination when he comes to the United States, probably in the next several days.

by The Wizard on Nov 23, 2007 7:00 PM CST up reply actions

hunter

I see 5/80 (AP @ SI)

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 7:15 PM CST reply actions

It says

"at least 80"

Angels MLB site says 90.

by RME JICO on Nov 22, 2007 8:00 PM CST up reply actions

Jim 2.0

AOL SPORTS, NY:

There is a report on ESPN Radio in Chicago, via the folks at Sox Machine, that reliever Scott Linebrink has signed a four year, $19 million deal with the Chicago White Sox. The deal is pending the ever-popular physical.

the folks at SoxMachine!

:p

by The Wizard on Nov 22, 2007 7:23 PM CST reply actions

Does Jim have a coworker?

"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Nov 22, 2007 7:59 PM CST up reply actions

Not that I'm aware of

Unless you count midnight Dunkin' Donuts iced coffee.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 23, 2007 7:50 AM CST up reply actions

Well

Do not always talk about these players. Go Black Friday shopping! Here is my shopping list:
http://www.globalgmail.com/upload/BFridayHotDeals.pdf
This is a dead Friday better than sports.

by joasnmun55 on Nov 22, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply actions

It is fate, my friend

(Using your best George Wendt "Super Fan" voice):

"It is fate, my friend...nay, it is the DESTINY of Chicago's South Side Baseball Empire to acquire but one man, one god, to patrol centerfield on the hallowed grounds known as U.S. Cellular Field. Any other deal Kenny Williams tries to pursue will be struck down by divine intervention, because as we all know, the Sox best and only option is to bring back the ultimate grinder, number tirty-tree, The Legend, Aaron Rowand."

(Raising your beer mug in a toast to Legend, all Super Fans respond):

"Daaaaa Legend."

"I give Ozzie an 'A'... This team has never packed it in and I give Ozzie the credit." - Jerry Reinsdorf

by tailgater on Nov 23, 2007 12:55 AM CST reply actions

rowand

is a piece of shit. may be the most overrated player in the history of the white sox organization.

by Jbasic89 on Nov 23, 2007 1:04 AM CST up reply actions

Damn

Did ARow sleep with your girlfriend or something?

by Raf on Nov 23, 2007 1:27 AM CST reply actions

yea

by Jbasic89 on Nov 23, 2007 1:35 AM CST up reply actions

Enough sad faces!!!

What's it going to take to salvage the offseason? (Like it or not, that means contending in '08).

by ballyb on Nov 23, 2007 11:33 AM CST reply actions

Fuku, Crisp and Clement

OK, bring on the Craigslist chick! Bathe her and bring her to my tent! And keep the Valtrex coming!

by colintj on Nov 23, 2007 10:30 PM CST up reply actions

I second that...

That team might really have a shot at a playoff spot.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 23, 2007 11:45 PM CST up reply actions

I actually like the Crisp idea, or

try to get Willy Taveras from Colorado. People mentioned Boston would want DLS for Crisp. That's way too much, no?

by ballyb on Nov 24, 2007 10:31 AM CST up reply actions

yeah

taveras is free agent

* checks elias rankings

no A/B; he doesn't need draft picks

* checks bb-ref

.367 OBP, wait he plays in coors

* checks bb-ref splits

.330 road OBP

OK!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/taverwi01.shtml

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2007 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

hmmm

* check comps

jerry owens. great!

and since when is taveras a free agent?

by larry on Nov 24, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions

damn, I thought he was a FA

isn't he a bit better than owens? no? oh well, scratch that...

by The Wizard on Nov 24, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

i'm sure he is a bit better

most players are. doesn't mean we should trade for him, as was suggested.

by larry on Nov 24, 2007 12:22 PM CST up reply actions

Center fielder, plus defense, decent arm,

could lead off, relatively cheap, fast.

Just depends what they'd want for him. Maybe worth exploring.

by ballyb on Nov 24, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

explore away

but i think we all know the price for a guy like that who is under control for cheap for another three years.

by larry on Nov 24, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions

Sox brass are getting ideas from SSS.

by ballyb on Nov 28, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions

Joe Kennedy dead at 28...

Joe Kennedy died early Friday morning while at home with his family in Florida, agent Damon Lapa told ESPN.com.
The cause of Kennedy's death could not immediately be determined, Lapa said. Kennedy, 28, pitched for five teams in seven big-league seasons, going 43-61 with a 4.80 ERA. He was a free agent this winter.

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 12:12 PM CST reply actions

That sucks a lot

He has a wife and 1 year old son. I hope his agent did right by him and prepped his estate planning (after Cory Lidle everyone was put on notice).

All I can think of is his son. Man. So the Linebrink signing is given some perspective...

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2007 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

Sox looking at Rowand, Crawford, Cabrera, Coco...

"Hunter picks Angels over White Sox
Williams optimistic he can land player to make an impact"

With Hunter out of the picture, the White Sox move into high gear on plans for other free agents or possible trades. Aaron Rowand, the Chicago cult hero who played such a vital role on the 2005 World Series championship team, figures to hold the new center field focus for the South Siders, but the team also could be in on deals to acquire the Rays' Carl Crawford, Miguel Cabrera or Red Sox's Coco Crisp. Adding a potential leadoff hitter, upgrading the outfield overall and finding additional bullpen help remain major portions of Chicago's plan.

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions

Kenny's comments on Hunter signing with Angels...

"Yes, I admit I was taken back, but I've been down this road before and this [situation] doesn't allow for any time of mourning," he said via an e-mail to MLB.com on Thursday afternoon.

"All along, we have been talking to other free agents, as well as positioning ourselves in the trade arena," Williams added. "So I'm still optimistic we can make an impact."

Also, the White Sox offer to Torii Hunter was 5-years, $75 million...

"I feel like we were very close," said Hunter of a potential deal with the White Sox, who reportedly made a five-year, $75 million offer to the free-agent center fielder.

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Did you see Hunter had spoken

to two ex-Twins with "Chicago experience" (L. Hawkins and J. Jones) and had soured on Chicago, acording to the author. Nice representation - 2 goofball underachievers who played for the SCRUBS. Nice due diligence. Wonder if he spoke to ex-Twink AJ? I think AJ's done pretty well in Chicago.

Oh, it's probably a "keepin' it REAL" thing I wouldn't understand...

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

seems hunter praises whoever shows him the money

at the moment!

sm:

As for the problems endured in Chicago by Jacque Jones and LaTroy Hawkins, Hunter's friends and one-time teammates in Minnesota, those past issues won't remotely factor into his final decision.

"Two reasons: I'm a different person than those guys, and my game is different than those guys," Hunter said. "And I'm not with the Cubs. It's the White Sox. That's totally different."

by The Wizard on Nov 23, 2007 1:11 PM CST up reply actions

speaking of keeping it real

you probably have seen this already but 1 more link ain't gonna hurt:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PztF3GWMO-M

:p

by The Wizard on Nov 23, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

I thought this guy might be a good

2-year option in the pen....

Nope.

The Brewers, who are on the verge of losing setup man Scott Linebrink to the White Sox, offered Cordero a four-year, $42 million contract, sources say.

Holy.Crap.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 23, 2007 3:06 PM CST reply actions

MLB. Awash with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

by ballyb on Nov 23, 2007 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

MLb.

Doing it's part to lessen the high-end housing slump.

by ballyb on Nov 23, 2007 3:10 PM CST up reply actions

Looks like the Reds are going to nab him

For 4/46. Wow.

by Tony82087 on Nov 23, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

Does the Linebrink signing...

look 100 times better now? I wasn't a big fan of the signing but throw Linebrink in the closer role for a couple seasons and watch his value skyrocket. It's all about that Saves statistic.

Just think about how much Jenks will cost when he hits free agency...

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 3:45 PM CST up reply actions

It looks better in terms of $$ spent

but it's still a bad deal... Prior to the free agent period, I thought he was going to get about $4MM per year (just not from us)... Nothing will make 4 years look good.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Nov 23, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

Haha, it's even crazier...

according to Ken Rosenthal:

The Cincinnati Reds, making their first big acquisition of the Dusty Baker era, have reached a preliminary agreement with free-agent closer Francisco Cordero on a four-year, $46-million contract, major-league sources say.

The deal, which is pending a physical, includes a club option for a fifth year that can bring the total value of the package to $57 million.

by SSH2005 on Nov 23, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

Drunken sailors, man

So much for fiscal responsibility.

2010 - the waiting is the hardest part.

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2007 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

Let me guess...

No doubt I'll be paying more for my ticket, beer and peanuts at The Cell next year?

To pay for all of this "talent," perhaps the owners should consider "pay urinals" at their parks. I'd go with charging $1 per whiz, or offer a $5 no-limit "All Day Spray" pass.

"I give Ozzie an 'A'... This team has never packed it in and I give Ozzie the credit." - Jerry Reinsdorf

by tailgater on Nov 23, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions