South Side Sox Officially Sanctioned Off-Season Plan
Nobody likes being second guessed. So with the GM meetings beginning a few hours after this piece is posted, and the free agent frenzy due to start in a week, it's time to do some first-guessing.
First of all, there is one large caveat to my off-season plan. Given my own way, I would have started in May. Back then, I was banging the drum for Pods and Erstad to be released (in one form or another), Dye to be traded, and Buehrle re-signed. The last of which seemed a bit of pipe dream at the time, but 6 weeks later became reality.
The Pierzynski and Dye extensions have dictated the Sox moves in '08 (and even '09). They've backed themselves into a position where they must spend (ridiculous amounts of) money through the free agent market in order to put a competitive team on the field the next two seasons.
Back in May, I said the Sox couldn't stand a full-fledged rebuilding effort, and the same still holds true today. So while I might want the Sox to get younger, and fast, first they may have to get older.
As we've written a number of times over the last two seasons, the Sox minor league system is in a sorry state. There are a precious few impact players in the entire system, and only one can be (realistically) projected to make the '09 team. This lack of organizational talent has cost a number of people their jobs, and further forces the hand of the front office.
Doing this exercise, I've come around to the notion that the White Sox will have to buy time as much as talent on the open market. My mid-season plan to dump Dye and others for youth would have dumped payroll and made the Sox more financially nimble, but the reality is that they still would have been bad in '08, and '09, and probably '10 too. If the Sox have the budget to field competitive teams between now and '10, they should do so as long as they don't sacrifice the key minor league talent that will push them to their next playoff contender in '11.
For the purposes of this post, I'm going to use a budget of about $115M (I could see them going as high as $125M under the right circumstances). There's no way to know exactly what the White Sox '08 budget will be, but attendance remained strong, which for the White Sox almost always correlates to money spent the following season. And there have been whispers of MLBAM, mainly the MLB.TV revenue, seeing another large increase this season, which should make all teams flush with cash and push free agent salaries even higher than last year.
The Sox already have $90M committed to 12 players in '08, and that's without a 3B (Crede's arbitration award not included), a SS (Uribe's buyout exercised), or a CFer (Erstad has been bought out). Filling just those 3 holes on the free agent market would push them to the $115M very quickly. $90M + $13M (Rowand w/ discount) + $7M (Eckstein) + $5-10M (for a LFer in a Crede trade) puts the Sox at $115-120M even before adding in the low-salary guys. As such, I forsee the Sox needing to trade off some salary.
Crede and one of Contreras/Garland are still the main trade pieces, but instead of flipping them for young, multi-tooled players they should be turned into veterans who provide a better fit to the club and/or have the chance to be Type A free agents in '08. Crede has zero chance of becoming a Type A thanks to his '07 and Garland's win total in '07 also limits his compensation value. If these two could be flipped for departing probable Type A free agents, the Sox could quickly infuse high quality new talent into the organization while remaining competitive in the interim.
Two players who fill these requirements and are likely to be available are Rafael Furcal and Pat Burrell. Furcal carries a $13M salary and is blocking Chin-lung Hu, or even A-Rod. Philly has been looking to unload Burrell and his $14M contract for much of the last 3 seasons. Philly and LA would probably eat up to half of each contract for the addition of B prospect to the deal, but the Sox need to hold on to almost all of their prospects at this point. I imagine the Sox can get them for $10M a piece without having to give up a prospect of significant consequence.If both Burrell and Furcal have good seasons and are offered arbitration following the season, the Sox could be looking at 5 picks in the first 60. To put that in perspective, in the last three drafts the Sox have had a total of 6 picks in the top 100. Such an infusion of talent can not be discounted. (Fields and Gio are both products of the 2004 draft which saw the Sox take 5 of the first 59 players drafted.) The teams which have used this strategy most effectively recently are the Yankees and Red Sox, who have combined to take Jacoby Ellsbury, Craig Hansen, Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden, Ian Kennedy, and Joba Chamberlain in the first or supplemental rounds since '05.
In this scenario, I would look to add Mike Cameron, who remains a plus defensive CFer and one of the best baserunners in the game, won't need a long-term commitment, and might come at a bit of a discount thanks to his impending 25-game suspension. I would look to avoid the two Type A CFers (Rowand, Hunter), signing whom will cost the Sox their '08 2nd rounder. I wouldn't be against giving Furcal an extension, but would prefer him to turn into draft picks, and revisit this scenario next season.
In the bullpen, the Sox need one "veteran arm," and I'm going to suggest a familiar one; Kerry Wood. Because he was hurt again for the first half of last season, he might not get the multi-year deal that he covets. I doubt he'd sign anywhere other than the Cubs on a 1-year deal, but 2 years might not be a bad investment. I wouldn't spend more than $8M over the 2-year contract, and am unsure about whether he could receive more. (This one's just thrown at the wall. I can't accurately predict reliever value.)
There are glaring weaknesses to this proposed club, but I'm just looking to be competitive (80-85 wins) in '08, not win a title. The Sox would need every star in the sky to align to achieve that goal.
I'm not going to go on a rant when the Sox don't follow the South Side Sox Officially Sanctioned Plan™ to the letter. I know they won't. I'll be looking for them to follow the following edicts:
- No contracts longer than 2 years (I could be persuaded to 3) to 30-and-over players.
- Do not sign any Type A Free Agents not named A-Rod.
- Practice restraint on the open market.
- Hold onto the following 3 minor leaguers in any trade (in order): DLS, Gio, Carter.
Salary charts with projected probable rosters after the jump
Current Roster obligations (no Crede)
Pos Name 2008 2009 2010 2011
P Buehrle, Mark $14.00 $14.00 $14.00 $14.00
P Contreras, Jose $10.00 $10.00
OF Dye, Jermaine $9.50 $11.50 $1.00
OF Erstad, Darin $0.25
P Garland, Jon $12.00
C Hall, Toby $1.75 $0.15*
1B Konerko, Paul $12.00 $12.00 $12.00
P MacDougal, Mike $1.95 $2.65 $0.35*
UTL Ozuna, Pablo $1.05 $0.20*
C Pierzynski, A.J. $5.85 $6.25 $6.25
1B Thome, Jim $14.00 $3.00
P Thornton, Matt $0.875 $1.325 $0.25*
SS Uribe, Juan $0.30
P Vazquez, Javier $11.50 $11.50 $11.50
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$95.025 $72.575 $45.35 $14.00
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Cash (Thome) ($5.00)
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$90.025 $72.575 $45.35 $14.00
South Side Sox Officailly Sanctioned Off-Season Plan
Pos Name 2008 2009 2010 2011
P Buehrle, Mark $14.00 $14.00 $14.00 $14.00
OF Burrell, Pat $14.00
P Contreras, Jose $10.00 $10.00
OF Cameron, Mike $11.50 $11.50
OF Dye, Jermaine $9.50 $11.50 $1.00
OF Erstad, Darin $0.25
SS Furcal, Rafael $13.00
C Hall, Toby $1.75 $0.15*
1B Konerko, Paul $12.00 $12.00 $12.00
P MacDougal, Mike $1.95 $2.65 $0.35*
UTL Ozuna, Pablo $1.05 $0.20*
C Pierzynski, A.J. $5.85 $6.25 $6.25
1B Thome, Jim $14.00 $3.00
P Thornton, Matt $0.875 $1.325 $0.25*
SS Uribe, Juan $0.30
P Vazquez, Javier $11.50 $11.50 $11.50
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$121.525 $84.075 $45.35 $14.00
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Cash (Thome) ($5.00)
Cash (Burrell) ($4.00)
Cash (Furcal) ($3.00)
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$109.525 $84.075 $45.35 $14.00
Iceberg, what iceberg?
Pos Name 2008 2009 2010 2011
P Buehrle, Mark $14.00 $14.00 $14.00 $14.00
P Contreras, Jose $10.00 $10.00
OF Dye, Jermaine $9.50 $11.50 $1.00
OF Damon, Johnny $13.00 $13.00
SS Eckstein, David $6.00 $7.00 $8.00
OF Erstad, Darin $0.25
P Garland, Jon $12.00
C Hall, Toby $1.75 $0.15*
1B Konerko, Paul $12.00 $12.00 $12.00
P MacDougal, Mike $1.95 $2.65 $0.35*
UTL Ozuna, Pablo $1.05 $0.20*
C Pierzynski, A.J. $5.85 $6.25 $6.25
OF Rowand, Aaron $13.00 $13.00 $14.00 $14.00
1B Thome, Jim $14.00 $3.00
P Thornton, Matt $0.875 $1.325 $0.25*
SS Uribe, Juan $0.30
P Vazquez, Javier $11.50 $11.50 $11.50
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$127.025 105.575 $67.35 $28.00
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Cash (Thome) ($5.00)
Cash (Damon) ($3.00) (3.00)
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$119.025 102.575 $67.35 $28.00
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by Sox Machine on Nov 5, 2007 2:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 2:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I spent an hour
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 2:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those edicts are basically part of every plan
Also: the Iceberg plan is scary.
by colintj on Nov 5, 2007 6:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've come around on this Furcal thing..
As long as attendance stays strong, in 3 or 4 years you can be highly competitive.
by Tdogg on Nov 5, 2007 6:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
For PR purposes
I just can't see Eckstein coming here, it makes no sense. When (not if) he gets injured, there's no one else in the org who can play SS. I think they learned their lesson last year about relying on china dolls like Erstad to fill a key role for you. Uribe sucks but at least he's been durable, so I think he's coming back for one more maddening year unless they swing your deal for a Furcal or Bill Hall. I'd be ecstatic if we could somehow get Furcal for a package including Contreras.
So I'm on board with you, the MB, JD and AJ extensions pretty much assure that KW is going the veteran route. My first guess is we avoid the direct hit and just glance off your iceberg - we sign Rowand/Hunter, but no Eckstein. At this point, just about any changes they make will please me. After suffering though Pods, a crippled Joe Crede, Angel Gonzalez, Erstad, Fat Toby & Co. anything will look good in comparison. Christ, just their roster cuts to date have me dancing a jig. 80-85 wins would feel like a pennant compared to last year.
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 6:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Burrell has a no trade and won't waive it.
Who's the second baseman ? Richar ?
I like your idea about the compensation picks aas well as holding onto the minor league talent they currently have.
Are you suggesting the Sox trade for Damon ? I hope not because they already have Jerry Owens for free.
by White Sox Randy on Nov 5, 2007 8:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know that Damon is old and expensive...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they're not as different as they used to be
by colintj on Nov 5, 2007 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon's no JO:
I still don't want either one.
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon is simply NOT a better base stealer than
Owens might get better but Damon will only get slower and worse.
by White Sox Randy on Nov 5, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you feel more comfortable with...
C'mon, the proof is in the pudding.
The jury is still out on whether or not Jerry Owens will ever be a quality leadoff hitter. All we know right now is that he looks like a fourth or fifth outfielder at best after last season. A .324 OBP and a .636 OPS doesn't look good at any spot in a Major League lineup.
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, don't mention that name
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you high?
.351 vs. 324 OBP
.396 vs. .312(!) SLG
27 SB/3 CS vs. 33 SB/8 CS
66BB/79K vs. 27 BB/65K (!)
He's more patient, at the plate and on the basepaths. He has more pop (who doesn't?) and isn't intimidated in the least by pressure, uit appears (in Boston and NY he's done just fine).
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as long as we agree
by colintj on Nov 5, 2007 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And look at Damon's OPS+'s the past few years...
I will bank on Damon hitting 100+ OPS+ in 2008 before Owens even gets close. Hell, you could probably put a -30 point handicap on Damon and he would still win.
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are some posters here really buying...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please, don't mention that name any more
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will chew on the mistake...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers look decent
But on the plus side his contract is up in two years, so if the Yankees eat a big chunk of his salary he's not the end of the world. And he grinds I guess. The biggest plus is that his wife has an ungodly body:
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good ethics, too
Nice. Paulie/Thomer will love it. Gotta have at least one wife who will get naked at the drop of a hat...
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to replace Mrs. Pods!
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first we compare damon to owens
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about "a bulked up Pods"?
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching him play LF in the playoffs
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
evaluating outfield defense
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
spare me the TV remarks
Since fielding stats are notoriously unreliable, would you agree that tangotiger scouting reports are useful? If so, please note that Damon is ranked with Jerry Owens, Jacques Jones, Jason Kendall and David Eckstein as his most similar peers. Defensive wizards all. So yeah, I'd say that not only is his arm pathetic (a ZERO rating) he also sucks as an overall OF. I've seen it with my own eyes on TV, he's bad.
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think he's an above average outfielder
damon's arm sucks. that's always been a failing. but i think arm is something that gets overplayed on defense. failing to catch balls, taking unnecessary risks, or failing to prevent balls from going to the wall is where an outfielder gives up the most bases, not stopping guys from taking an extra base with their arm. when i watched damon play, i thought he was excellent at positioning himself and in his first step. he also is helped a bit by having some makeup speed. i haven't watched him in left. i would bet he's hurt somewhat by the fact that he didn't have as good of a sense of what pitch was coming and so on, as that is usual for a guy moving from center to left. that probably hurts his first step.
i'd note that the fielding bible has jerry owens ranked as the 8th best centerfielder in plus/minus. i'd also note that scotty is their top ranked LFer between 2005-2007. there are different ways to measure defense. i would say, however, that watching on tv is amongst the worst measures for outfielders. so is worrying about style points. pods doesn't "look good" when he's out there. guys like derek jeter and grady sizemore do. i wouldn't necessarily draw the conclusion from that perception that jeter or sizemore is a better defender than pods.
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees DH'd him 47 times in 2007
Matsui has 12 SB in five years, so even with Damon's acknowledged huge advantage in speed Torre felt he had better defense with a plodding Godzilla out there. Damon is not a good OF, in fact he's BAD. Offensively he's been putting up OPS+'s of around 110 in CF, adjusting for LF that'll be under 95 - plus he's declining. For $13mm/yr he's a huge waste of money any way you cut it.
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's more due to the fact that...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to Mr. Baseball Expert
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pete
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't like it do you?
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
could you point out where i called
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is that outfield defense is great and all
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are adorable
but adorable.
by colintj on Nov 5, 2007 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it will take a little more than that
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*ahem*
by colintj on Nov 6, 2007 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here at the University of Michigan, we teach
That's the Michigan difference.
by colintj on Nov 6, 2007 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
by ChicagoPete on Nov 6, 2007 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Bruce Springsteen?
;)
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2007 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Make good money
by ChicagoPete on Nov 6, 2007 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
and damon did play in rightfield.
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So now you know OF defense better than Torre?
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i find it interesting
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
since when
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we need to hone our arguing skills
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey pete
by Soulja Boy on Nov 6, 2007 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat
by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE Carl Crawford!
by ChicagoPete on Nov 5, 2007 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about him???
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you must be new here...
for the new guys, we have SSS intro seminars on the second thursday of every month. and just to make sure people attend, there will be punch and pie.
by thatshortkid on Nov 5, 2007 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love that movie!
by rhythm on Nov 5, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, short one
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that boner Bruce Levine
by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we need to trade Paulie
We've said goodbye to many other Sox favorites for the better of the team:
Frank Thomas
Robin Ventura
Alex Fernandez
Wilson Alvarez
Jack McDowell
We could get alot of talent back, particularly from the Angels. Figgins, Willits, Wood, Aybar, Kotchman, and Santana are all possiblities. That would free up ~$10-12mil too that could be spent elsewhere.
It would be a scary PR move though.
by striker on Nov 5, 2007 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have resisted the idea of trading
Poor Paulie - being a solid, predictable producer, good husband/father/employee doesn't make for excitement. Now if he comes up positive for HGH, well, sign him to an extension!
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Mr. Konerko have a limited
by coffeepac on Nov 5, 2007 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres something to chew on.
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron
- Crede for Damon + cash
- Sign Cameron.
- Furcal for ____ (???).
- Garland for prospects.
I'll still be hoping for Konerko and Contreras trades, though.
LF Damon
SS Furcal
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
CF Cameron
C Pierzynski
3B Fields
2B Richar
That looks like a slightly above average offensive group that could compete into September (probably not win the Central, but take 83-88 games).
by CWSKeith on Nov 5, 2007 12:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm on board with cameron
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the guy who hit .400 in rookie ball
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How high was he drafted?
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd round
at any rate, draft position is somewhat irrelevant past the top ten or so. generally, players shouldn't really be "touted" until they have a couple years in the minors under their belt. that's when you know what you really have.
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our scouting did find MB
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop Posting on here
by BoKnows on Nov 5, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha OK
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're not.....
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Link doesn't work
by BoKnows on Nov 5, 2007 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That's fine. Your 8th grade rhetoric won't last too long, I'm confident in that.
by CWSKeith on Nov 5, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
8th grade rhetoric???
by Soulja Boy on Nov 6, 2007 3:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Payroll
by cachhubguy on Nov 5, 2007 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case
Add Uribe and Crede to the current obligations, and you're at 100M, leaving you 5M to improve the team. Two starters would have to be traded in order to have the funds to overhaul the lineup, meaning the rotation would be Buehrle, one of Contreras/Garland/Vazquez, and 3 unrealiable/unpredicable arms from Danks/Floyd/Gio/Egbert/Broadway.
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, they're in a load of trouble
I heard a sound bite from KW on The Score today and while non-convincingly saying Juan is a "quality player," he also said they are looking to "get better at all positions."
So, perhaps Juan will be packing his bags after all.
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tea leaves
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Santoria, bro
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Santeria
- Santa Clause
- Edgar Renteria
- Diarrhea (a.k.a. "Brian Anderson Winter Ball Apple Splatter Two-Step")
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Catholic as well,
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best way to make the playoffs
So with that in mind, I'd revise my plan (I apologize for any redundancy -- this next week-and-a-half before anything goes down is probably my favorite time as a baseball fan, being completely honest). Keep Crede at third, if only for his defense, and hope the bat could -- at the very least -- return to his career levels of a slightly below average hitter. Put Fields in LF. That means you're going to need a strong defender in CF -- Cameron still makes sense, and it allows you to have strong defense for the first 25 games he's out with an Owens + Anderson platoon (or if Anderson is done, just Owens is okay too). Trading for Crisp would also make sense. Rowand and Hunter? Bleh, still too much money and I don't know you can still say Hunter is even average in CF anymore (he's probably right around average but isn't going to get any better with age).
That leaves SS. You need to upgrade your offense still but defense needs to remain strong at SS. Furcal still makes sense here, unless his defense has fallen off the table (anyone?).
That leaves your lineup as:
SS Furcal
CF Cameron/Crisp/Owens
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
C Pierzynski
3B Crede
LF Fields
2B Richar
Defensively the infield is pretty good. Fields should be average in left, Dye is a black hole but hopefully the new CFer can make up a bit for that. The big improvements are having Crede at third for a whole year, Fields' arm in left and the new CFer is probably equal to or better than the people that played center last season (Owens/Erstad).
Now onto the bullpen. This is tough -- if the Sox have a dynamite bullpen, I'd say that's the BEST way to improve upon their win total from last season, but with the volatility of relievers, it's tough to build a great bullpen. As I've said many times, Jenks, Wasserman and Logan should have their guaranteed spots -- they're all strong in their roles (closer, ROOGY, LOOGY). I'd leave one or two spots open for guys free agents or Japanese imports. I think the latter -- bringing in an Okajima, a Shingo, a Saito -- should be a mandate for the winter. I also like Jim's idea of bringing back Luis Vizcaino -- he's a solid (if unspectacular) middle reliever.
If that goes through, that leaves you with Jenks, Wasserman, Logan, Vizcaino and Japanese Reliever X. That leaves two spots that I'm leaving to guys already in the organization -- Thorton, MacDougal, Aardsma, Haeger and Perez strike me as the main contestants although I'm sure I'm leaving out a guy or two.
My apologies for the length.
by CWSKeith on Nov 5, 2007 12:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Keith
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Jim's smaller deal of...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist's trade value can't be that high...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's getting to the wrong side of 26
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"That old" - Thanks
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we're talking about
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone say richar?
by Soulja Boy on Nov 5, 2007 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And will they
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Anderson for Bill Hall?
Does Scott Merkin know something we don't? I doubt it but it's a nice thought.
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i doubt he's suggesting straight-up
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do that trade.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Anderson is never going to play for Ozzie...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a number of these guys
MacDougal is in Ozzie's doghouse as well.
Moving this fringy parts is something that Kenny has excelled at in the past. The Masset/Aardsma trade as well as the possible MacDougal trade could pay surprising dividends.
At this point, however, it would be nearly impossible to speculate for whom they would be traded.
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
macdougal
I don't see how he can get any worse,
but he can easily improve, no?
by The Wizard on Nov 5, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for the last time
by larry on Nov 5, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 5, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Done and done!
Plus, all the West Coast 'tude gone in 60 seconds. Much grindier team and more soulful.
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and paul from las vegas is back!
-- Jeremy, Sugar Grove, Ill.
by The Wizard on Nov 5, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHAHA!
by winningugly on Nov 5, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here's some stuff
Of course, most teams are looking for the same thing. As Diamondbacks general manager Josh Byrnes said recently, "It is prudent that we try to get as much pitching as we can. We have to plan as if you can never have enough pitching."
One of the few teams with starting pitching available is the White Sox. They're believed to be trying to move Jose Contreras, but probably would be willing to trade Jon Garland (1 year left on his contract at $12 million) instead.
Since Gillick came to Philadelphia, he's been able to deal with Chicago counterpart Kenny Williams. The two engineered the Jim Thome-Aaron Rowand trade 2 years ago, the Freddy Garcia-Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez swap last December, and the Tadahito Iguchi-Michael Dubee deal last July.
However, it's believed that the Sox would want a shortstop, an outfielder and/or setup relief for Garland. It remains to be seen if the Phillies are compatible.
[...]
The environment should become a little clearer in the next few days. For example, if the Phillies are interested in testing the market for Pat Burrell, they will pay close attention to teams that might be interested in Seattle's Richie Sexson. Both are righthanded power hitters with 1 year, at $14 million, left on their contracts.
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice of him to
by tailgater on Nov 5, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and
by The Wizard on Nov 5, 2007 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damon? Why not Jenkins in LF?
Make me a General Manager and so long as I could use a left-handed stick with a steady corner outfield glove, I probably would not hesitate to offer Jenkins a two-year deal in the $12 million range or so.
And they back up the thought here:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/11/know_your_free.php
by Chiburb on Nov 5, 2007 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This was the same thinking...
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheats Plan
Over all I like some of the ideas and the over all philosophy of geting better from within. However, some organizational changes aside, Does the White Sox track record of drafting offer much hope in that area? I say no. How many fireballing 20 year olds can we stock pile?
Mike Cameron? If you loved Juan Uribies BA wait til you see this guy. 35 year old center fielders that hit .240 aren't worth much.
I still can't believe we gave Dye all that money. But we can not be a team that needs 4 singles to score a run. Must get faster.
Williams has always liked Miquel Tejada at short
we'll see if he chases him down. At todays maeket prices he's a bargain. Of course can he play in the post steroid era?? Any way let him play short, sign a CF, Hunter or Rowand, let Owens and Sweeny fight it out for LF. And, last, keep Crede, esp if he shows he can run alittle bit. He plays defense and offense, isn't that what we want?
by spadog on Nov 5, 2007 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
by spadog on Nov 5, 2007 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cheat's Lineup...
SS Furcal
CF Cameron
DH Thome
1B Konerko
LF Burrell
RF Dye
C Pierzynski
3B Fields
2B Richar / Uribe
I think that's how Ozzie would make the lineup.
That's a pretty good offensive and defensive lineup and it definitely meets your short-term contracts goal.
by SSH2005 on Nov 5, 2007 7:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn
by The Cheat on Nov 5, 2007 11:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lotta testosterone - or is it estrogen? -
Anyway, that's my handicapping of the fight card.
Round II today!
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2007 5:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! I didn't expect such a heated Owens/Damon...
But, primarily, I'm very much against trading for Damon. That is a HUGE waste of money and resources. He's been overrated most of his career and now his skills have clearly declined. Now, he's nothing special at all and not worth trading for or a salary greater than $ 5 mil. at the most.
But, the point is, why trade for a couple of his last decent seasons anyway ? So, the Sox can finish 3rd or 4th in the AL Central and we can read headlines about Jesus growing his beard back or his stripper wife ?
The Sox aren't going to win anything next year so why add even more expensive aging veterans to this team ? It doesn't make any sense.
by White Sox Randy on Nov 6, 2007 9:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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