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Game 40: White Sox (20-19) @ Cubs (20-21) -- Masset vs. Zambrano

Acmilan_tiny by The Wizard on in Game Threads

Nick Masset (R, 1-1, 5.76, 0, 0, 25.0, 13, 12, 1.78) vs. Carlos Zambrano (R, 4-3, 5.13, 9, 9, 54.1, 38, 27, 1.53)  [Throws, W-L, ERA, G, GS, IP, K, BB, WHIP]

Time: 1:20 p.m., TV: WGN (Cubs feed on CSN), Radio: WSCR AM-670 (Live Boxscore; 2006 MLB Gameday; 2007 MLB Gameday)

GO SOX!

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Lineups
Good Guys: 
        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. D Erstad, CF         .259    2       16      7
2. T Iguchi, 2B         .252    2       8       3
3. A Pierzynski, C      .246    7       14      0
4. J Dye, RF            .218    8       22      0
5. P Konerko, 1B        .193    6       21      0
6. R Mackowiak, LF      .195    1       6       3
7. J Crede, 3B          .209    4       17      0
8. J Uribe, SS          .219    5       18      0
9. N Masset, P           -      -       -       -
Bad Guys: 
        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. R Theriot, 2B        .300    0       14      7
2. A Pagan, CF          .435    2       5       2
3. A Soriano, LF        .289    4       9       6
4. A Ramirez, 3B        .283    10      32      0
5. D Ward, 1B           .300    0       4       0
6. M Barrett, C         .263    7       23      0
7. J Jones, RF          .260    1       14      1
8. C Izturis, SS        .265    0       5       1
9. C Zambrano, P        .250    1       2       0
GO SOX!

by The Wizard on May 20, 2007 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Mack....?
Why do i dislike this guy so much... i mean not that sweeney is getting it done (still like ryan) or luis terrero or pablo.... oh wait shit... we don't have any other outfielders. How long before Jerry owens is up...?

Jerry Owens: BA .283   obp   .375   20 sb 6 cs

has no power though 0 hr and only 6 of his 41 hits have gone for extra bases. All doubles(6)

this stat line looks really nice

BA .268 6hr 18 rbi 6sb 0 cs 10 2b's 772 ops

it's the 23 yr old starting center fielder for the Diamondbacks..... Arizona must have good scouting.... cause it would have been nice to ship anderson or owens instead of young

by ElDiablo on May 20, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

mack is in there
because he rakes against zambrano. i'm not sure there are many other guys he has an OPS of over 1.000 against - certainly not in as many ABs as he has against carlos.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

ops 1.093
to be exact.... i wasn't saying he shouldn't be in the lineup.... i was just trying to put my finger on why i dislike mack so much.... why doesn't he play the infield...? just kinda of making questions to everyone

by ElDiablo on May 20, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure why you dislike him
you shouldn't. you should dislike how he is constantly misused by ozzie.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
funny because earlier they showed the "highlight" of marte walking in the winning run against the cubs in 2004, completing their sweep. marte had worn out his welcome in this town - don't you remember the boos he got whenever he came into the game in late 2005?
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course
more great reporting from mark, who fails to tell us who got sent down.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweeney
I almost would have rather seen Floyd be called up for the game today, with Sweeney sent down. Then Floyd (or masset) sent down tommorrow in favor of Thome.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree....
i think we might need another arm today rather than a bat.... but what do i know...

by ElDiablo on May 20, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

almost?
no question yes to that. thome has no business being here. the time for him to be coming in for one at-bat is not on a day when it's 50 degrees outside.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sweeney sitting...
for the third day in a row.  Good thing we have Erstad in CF, though.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweeney.....
doesn't deserve to start.  He can't get around on a fastball.  Misses too many "get me over" pitches...

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pods
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/394044,201SPT5.article

so do you think that we are going to carry this outfield for another month or 2..... kenny has to make some kind of move right..?

by ElDiablo on May 20, 2007 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

shit
we'll be lucky to get four out of him at this rate.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Pagan
has come to the plate 13 times against the White Sox in his career. He's reached base 7 times, with 2 HR and a triple.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Totally not sold
on Masset's big league usefulness.  Tons of pitchers have live arms and no clue how to pitch.  Masset is a poster boy for that group.  Seems like AAA would be the place to either get that sorted or disappear entirely.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

hmm
bases loaded, 1 out. over/under on how many runs we get?
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

profundo!
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

that right there
was a very nice piece of hitting by juan. while the bullpen has sucked this series the offense looks like it may just be coming around.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

dear god
lol. masset has no idea up there.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

If grounding out to the right side
were a full-time job, Erstad would be a millionaire.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a nice top half.....
but to win a game like today's Erstad has to come through.

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

More depressing news.....
CLE, DET, MIN all with commanding leads right now.

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Jones' outs are so common...
they don't even need to be televised anymore.

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

WGN Sucks
but I don't feel like listening to Len and Bob -- they're okay as announcers, but if the Sox are going to do, I want to hear pissed off Hawk.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

you're listening to santo?
jesus. why do something like that to yourself?
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no no...
WGN on TV.  Comcast has the Cubs broadcast, and WGN has the Sox broadcast.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm confused then
why does WGN tv suck? it looks like any other broadcast to me.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

WGN TV
they consistently miss the first pitch of innings.  I'm actually surprised when they get back in enough time to see the first pitch of the inning.  And last inning, the first pitch happened to be a ball in play.  Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I think you should be able to get back in time to see the first pitch every inning...

They did it again.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

consistently?
maybe on away games (which i guess this is). pitcher isn't allowed to throw until the TV time has elapsed.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry -- I'm kid you not
They consistently miss the first pitch -- this happens probably once every two innings (rough estimate).  I'm not overexaggerating.  Anyone else care to comment?  

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The exact reason I'm watching the CSN right now...
Every single feed, whether its WGN HD or just plain old WGN, home or away, they miss the first pitch back from a commercial break.  I'm surprised when I witness the first pitch.

by rebstock on May 20, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll add my voice to the chorus
It's amazing how often they miss the first pitch, and have been doing so for years, and yet they've made no effort to correct the problem.  I think they even missed a homer once and came back as the hitter was rounding second.

by Ryno on May 20, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

that should read
"but if the Sox are going to <s>do</s> lose"

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Masset
I think I like him more than a lot of others do.  Like BMac, I just don't see him as a reliever.  He throws four-five different pitches when in the bullpen, all you really need are one or two to succeed.  I think he needs to be starting somewhere, even if that means down with Charlotte.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I just don't understand these Kia commercials...
Black business man has just finished giving a presentation and over-excited white business man comes up and gives him some "hip" compliment... then black business man thinks about his Kia?

Just absolute nonsense.

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone notice how Hawk looks?
They panned to the booth and showed Hawk in a hood.

He looked like Emperor Palpatine's brother.

by Pander on May 20, 2007 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

More like
if the Emperor kept lying to Geppetto.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

5-2 Cleveland top of the 8th
but Junior up with the bases loaded and none out.

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Massett
I saw a few Blah-Massett comments above, but if he's going to stay 93-94 with decent control, he definitely has starter potential.  His slider is a weird pitch and doesn't appear to have much movement at all, but still stands in good contrast to his tailing fastball.  Curve is pretty good though.

Man, Soriano just had another awful at bat.  Paulie's AB in the top half was equally weak.  He is missing so many hittable pitches right now.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Z
I've been reading Under The Knife and Will said something about Zambrano dropping his arm...and wow is it obvious.  I can't believe the Cubs are letting him go out there with his mechanics looking like that unless they're planning on letting him go after the year's end.  But that doesn't make sense either.  Protect your assets, man.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a real rough top of the 4th....
we didn't score of course, but we lost Crede for some reason, and then Zambrano threw just 9 pitches.

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Daryle Ward
...really looks like he should be playing in the majors.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Too soon?
It seems like it may be possible to envision a future where both Danks and Massett are legit major league starters.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

probably too soon
but i'm feeling the same way.  it's amazing how much better masset looked in his long relief performance against cleveland and now today than he has in short relief stints.

by Ryno on May 20, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dn...
I usually don't buy the whole It's-Hard-To-Move-To/From-The-Bullpen, especially because the stats show how much easier it is to bump your K rate and lower your ERA from the bullpen, but both McCarthy and Massett seem to demonstrate that starting is easier under some circumstances.  In any case, I really like what Massett is showing right now.  Good location, solid mechanics, great tail on his fastball with the ability to sink it and cut it as well, plus that deuce.  Give him a change up and he's definitely starter material, right?

From personal experience, I always got nervous as hell when I came in to close, but being able to just gas it every pitch really did help me get over it.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

NL lineup
and a pretty weak one, at that, without derek lee. he's looked okay but, then, so did felix diaz against the cubs.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken
about the lineup, but he looks to me like a pitcher who has a good idea of what to do with the stuff he has.  And what he has is pretty decent.  I definitely don't see him as anything better than a 3 starter, but I like a guy who has an idea of how to pitch.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

today is a good day to pitch
in wrigley. but his stuff has looked good.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what do you do?
I admit I always thought the Masset as a starter was horseshit. Now I agree he looks way more effective as a starter. Perhaps he takes Floyd's spot and you move him and something else for a legit OF around trade deadline?

by Tdogg on May 20, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one is going to take floyd
until he shows that he can pitch in the majors.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really
It makes it that much easier to move Garland, because we're back to the 6 starter dilemma.  I'd love to be able to trade Floyd instead, but I agree with Larry.  He keeps flunking when he gets up to the bigs.  Not a lot of demand for AAAA players.

I don't even know who I'd target as an OF, anyway.  The guys I could come up with weren't worth the price or weren't available.  

Random out-my-ass: Garland for Lastings Milledge.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not trading Garland
I'm trying to trade Contreras.  Maybe Minaya still has some Latin fever.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kenny!
I only say Garland because it seems like that's the guy whose name keeps coming up in Trades That Almost Were.  Contreras could be 53 for all we know and his control and K rate are slipping.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
it's much more likely that 1) we'll simply hold onto all these guys and figure it out later and 2) we're far more likely to trade someone like contreras than a young guy at this point.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
i would definitely prefer to unload contreras.  his k/9 has dropped precipitously.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

the
way garland is throwing the ball coupled with the fact that he always gives you 200IP+, and an ERA+ of 110 on average over the past years and is still relatively young(27); He is worth more than a troubled and currently injured OF in Milledge, and I like Lastings. The mets have soured on him, i'd rather KW target Carlos Gomez(his stance is very vernon wells/ alex rios) or Fernando Martinez and a good young arm, maybe Guerra. I'd rather we move mark if we're out of it or let him walk and extend Jon.

Ideally if jose can keep up this performance or even just keep his ERA south of 4.50 this season, he still has a ton of value at 10mil for the next two years.

Jon
Javy
Danks

and two of Masset, Floyd, Haeger, Broadway, Gio, Egbert, Russell. Looks good to me moving beyond '07.

The Kids can play :)

by beautox on May 21, 2007 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great clip there...
Showed AJ in the batter's box batting a foul ball from Tadahito's at-bat right into Michael Barrett's back.

This could ONLY happen with AJ.  ONLY him.

by Pander on May 20, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Erm...
Saw that coming.  Masset is suddenly very hittable.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

They can blame the wind
but every fly ball to Dye is an adventure now with him carrying that piano on his back.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

i knew he was a DH in waiting
i just didn't know that the wait would be over this year.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sisco
How many pitches before thir goes in the crapper?
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Did it get to 3?
I can't believe Mike McD didn't suck.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many pitches
does the bullpen need to blow this one.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Well done Ozzie
our worst pitcher vs one of the top 5 hitters in baseball.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

No wild pitches!!!
I've seen enough in this series

by ckimcircles on May 20, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Just f-ing walk him
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Idiot
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

He's just not very good
and Ozzie/KW are to stupid to send him to AAA

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're a little late
the bad feeling should have hit you around the time masset was announced as the starter.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

A blessing in disguise
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

MacDougal
How many pitches until he gives up the lead? I'll go with 5.
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I go
Wild pitch on pitch 3

go-ahead run on pitch 6

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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was waiting on the wild pitch
We'll have to wait until next inning.
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's safe to say
the north side has the better manager.  He's abused Ozzie all series.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie
is so great. I mean, I would much rather have Sisco face D. Lee than Masset (who gave up 2 real hits...i.e., other than the "triple" to the Piano Man) facing fatty Daryle Ward.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on May 20, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

lee doesn't face masset
ozzie made lou make the move by sending in sisco.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

masset would have gotten lit up by ward
he was on fumes. sisco should not face anyone. send in mac there and everything is fine.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously
we were posting that thought at the same time.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on May 20, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
Let's assume Masset is totally out of gas. I'd rather have had MacDougal brought in to face Ward (because according to your reasoning Lee wouldn't have been brought in to face a righty) than Sisco to face Lee.
It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on May 20, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude
Masset was tired.  The last three ABs featured bad control and hard hit balls.  It was at least somewhat lucky that only 1 went for a base hit.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Masset had to be pulled
but Sisco in any close game is a bad move.  But it's far worse when you let the Cubs pull down a shit hitter for their stud.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh definitely
I think that had to be Thornton or bust.  But I'm not sure I should trust him either.  In any case, I am not looking forward to where this seems to be going.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

sisco in any game
is a bad idea. there is no logical reason for him to be on our roster.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Total Collapse?
So, what, the bullpen is totally unreliable now? Doesn't matter who?  This team is going to give me an ulcer.  Currently, only the starters are achieving competence.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

The offense needs to win this game
Ozzie's gonna run through the pen, and we're not bloodly likely to hold 'em scoreless for 3 more innings.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

THOME TIME!
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Shit
There are two outs already?  Why is taking pitches anathema to this team?  Why is hitting the ball hard?

This is sending me into an existential crisis.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Thome?
All is right in the world!

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does this mean that Paulie
is going to start hitting?

by ckimcircles on May 20, 2007 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Zambrano's mechanics
are hurting his ability to paint the corner here against Thome

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Thome's still hurt.
He's holding back on his swings.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

really?
i didn't see that...could be though

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He only swung twice
So I could be wrong. But he didn't do the usual Thome let it fly swing. He could have been fooled, and was feeling for the pitch, but it seems more likely that he's just cut down on his hack to save his injury.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

you've definitely
caught more games than i have, so i'm not willing to write that possibility off.  but he looked right to me.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

could probably go either way
but thome hasn't seen anyone like zambrano for a while. i think he was just fooled.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh...
so who is gonna... you know... pitch the next 2 innings?  Obviously Thorton/Jenks for some of it. But that doesn't cover 3 innings.

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

macdougal, logan, thornton, jenks
seems like we have plenty
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry
mac was meant to be aardsma.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah... right...
I think for some reason I was blocking him out due to yesterday's "performance"

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah a walk!
wait. now erstad is up. the cubs' plan worked.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

it's this kind of thing
that keeps me from being happy for any extended period of time.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good to have Thome back!
I feel emotionally secured.

by ckimcircles on May 20, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Would you throw Thome -- and injured Thome
a strike with Erstad on deck?
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

GRIND-TASTIC!
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

What a surprise
A walk. Man we missed him.

by Tdogg on May 20, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

LUCK!
Soriano strikes again.  He's cost the Cubs how many runs now in this series?  I think that's 3 now?

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Crede
out due to pain in his lower back...great.
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

joe crede
out with tightness in the back. and so it begins.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

any chance
we see fields if Crede hits the DL?

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pablo
It might be two weeks worth of the Secret Weapon, especially if the bullpen continues to look like we should mix and match until we come up with a working combo.

Not that we should.  But we might.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes...
I will take it... but where was that 2-1 pitch to Gooch?

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

All right! Cubs bullpen!
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Cotts
Toby Hall would be a good PH here.  

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

If that happened...
AJ and Ozzie would turn Wrigley into Thunderdome... they both entered but only one survives!!

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

remember
neal ain't your usual lefty. he doesn't pitch well against lefties.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,
I definitely forgot about that.  I always liked Neal.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a difference in announcers
I'm watching the comcast feed with Kasper & Brenly, and these guys are an absolute pleasure to listen to compared to Hawk & DJ - I haven't had to cringe once the whole game, and these are the Cubs guys.  Why the hell do the Sox, playing in a major metropolis with one of the country's highest levels of college grads per capita , have some Foghorn Leghorn cracker as their announcer?  He lasted one year as announcer for the Yankees, and we've been stuck with him for twenty plus.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Brenly
Kept going on about OBP and taking pitches two days ago.  It was amazing.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cotts tipping
they also implied the Sox knew exactly what Cotts was going to throw.  This makes perfect sense, cause even when he had great stuff he was still getting whacked hard like today.  The NL probably hasn't caught up this year, hence his great #'s up till today.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be
I've seen Cotts pitch alot this season, and he's best when he's getting his curveball over. Not the slurve he threw on the southside, but a true big breaking curve.

He only threw it once in that inning, and not until after the slam.

Too many 91 MPH fastballs. As we're all familliar, you don't really need to be tipped to hit that pitch.

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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Truly is
wouldn't be so bad if our knuckleheads didn't go out nationwide on WGN, otherwise we could keep it our own dirty little secret.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

wouldn't work anymore
extra innings, anyone?

besides, very few of the sox games on wgn get played nationally anymore.

Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're telling me
it's been a real irritant out here in ann arbor

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pierzynski about to be pwned
Cotts has two more pitches than he used when he was with us.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

See
I'm not always right. Sometimes, alot of times, in fact, I'm very very wrong.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
some days you just don't have it

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

two weeks ago
you'd be right. neal been getting lit up recently
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh
You just knew that there was no chance Ozzie was going to pinch hit for AJ here, even if it is the right move.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

dude
not the right move. neal doesn't pitch well against lefties. he's the same pretty much either way.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I've been owned two days in a row on mis-calls.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

THATS THE SHIT
I don't know what I was going on about with the PH. LONG LIVE AJ

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Cotts Cotts Cotts Cotts
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  
Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  Cotts  

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure
Biggest inning of the year now. Highest offensive output of the year now.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the Neal we know and love
2006 Neal Cotts to a T!

But seriously, thanks for 2005 Neal.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

PAULIE!
That's the way to not suck!

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

dude
why would you even tempt the baseball gods?  it's pretty clear they hate us right now.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!
This is ridiculous.  10 runs against the Cubs.  Poor Neal.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

IT HAPPENED!
TEN RUNS!  STOP THE PRESSES!

by Pander on May 20, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

HOw does it feel?
Shoe's on the other foot CubbieWubbies.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Our Pythagorean theorem
could look much better after this game.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoa now
we have a bullpen too, y'know.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 SPOT! SWEET!
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 20, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

If we can hold 'em under 5 runs
the next three innings, it will be the Sox SECOND win this season by more than 3 runs.
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by The Cheat on May 20, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I think
our bullpen is just finally cracking under the stress.  Every time they come in, they're in a position to potentially blow it.  How often do they get a lead to work with such that a walk doesn't bring the tying run to the plate?

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMFG, RUNS!!!
I just about blew my load in my boxers.

by SSH2005 on May 20, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Masset deserves it.
He pitched very well in a BIG game.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

definitely, today is huge
him going out and beating Zambrano is a big lift after blowing those last two.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did the same thing in Game #3.
MB got hit and he came out a pitched great against a very hot Indians team. Shows me alot about his stuffings.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the Sox team we've been waiting for ,
This is the Cubs team we knew they were.

by ckimcircles on May 20, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

As close as it came to a sweep,
it should have been a Sox sweep.

I know, if my father had ___, he'd be my mother.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah...
Sox should have won 2 out of 3 though if MacDougal didn't suck total balls.

by SSH2005 on May 20, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as Hawk and D.J. are lame homrs...
They are right on what they were saying about Thome being back in out lineup.  He is a huge lift for our lineup.  Even when he isn't hitting homers, he is drawing a ton of walks and keeping an inning alive.

by SSH2005 on May 20, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I can live with the homerism
it's a Chicago tradition after all.  But I can't deal with the cornpone cracker talk.  Even DJ talks like him now, and I think he's from New Hampshire or something.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly...
...Hawk's Jedi robes brought him no wisdom on this day.
Stretch!

by stevegoz on May 20, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh
I know he's a maroon, but I like Hawk.  It's a nostalgia thing.  I've been listening to him since I first moved to the area and my first grade friend told me that the Sox were better than the Cubs back in '92.  And those were good Sox teams, too.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

david
throw a fookin' strike.

let's see if ozzie's talk worked.

Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there anyone in the BP we can trust?
Mac - no
AA - no
Thornton - no
Sisco - no
Boone - ??
Masset - not out of the pen
Bobby Jenks - yes

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Goodbye ERA
Aardsma has allowed 8 runs over his last 10 batters

Soon to be 9/11

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes!
Rain has come to expand the zone!

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Aardsma trying to make
it a save situation for Jenks in 9th. Great teammate.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Are the mic-ing the rain...
in hopes it will give more insightful commentary than Hawk?

by CatBrains on May 20, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

went
from 1.31 to 5.01 over his last 3 appearances.  It was 1.64 entering yesterday.

by Bull Pain on May 20, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullpen ERA's...
Sisco 6.75
(Masset 5.73)
MacDougal 5.28
Aardsma 5.01
Logan 4.63
Thornton 4.22
Jenks 3.18

Wasn't it a few weeks ago that Thorton seemed to be the least reliable guy coming out of the pen?

It takes two to lie; one to lie and one to listen.

by Toonderstrook on May 20, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Painful
As if it wasn't bad enough suffering through our offense, now you have to take your punishment when our relievers come out.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

This too will pass.
Sisco is the only one who consistently looks clueless.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's hope
I've been spoiled by all this winning, mediocrity sucks.

by ChicagoPete on May 20, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah when he listed earlier
I was gonna reply Thorton has been solid lately. I welcome his sight now.

by Tdogg on May 20, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rain Delay...great
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 20, 2007 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Friggin' Wrigleyville
I'm in the western suburbs...partly sunny and in the 60s.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 20, 2007 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm near LaSalle and Chicago Ave.
and it's just a light drizzle. Ground isn't even wet.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no. Farmio said
Chris Singleton is coming back after the commercials with "Rain Delay Theater." Please start the game.
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by tailgater on May 20, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I demand
some officer Ron footage.

Damnit.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

in case you didn't know
and still care, the game is back on.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

10 hits again.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

another thing i like about the cubs broadcast
they again bring up that horrible play soriano didn't bother to make that pretty much broke open the game.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I think...
...I might have to watch the Wings in OT instead.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

gosh
people have been complaing about the offense and, now, when it actually is showing up people don't want to watch?
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stuck it out
The Wings better not lose though.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

is it me...
or is Juan holding the bat much higher than usual?  perhaps Walker can be credited with doing something right?

by colintj on May 20, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn
That slider/cutter at 92 was Robb Nen-esque.  Wicked.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a fucking joke
can anyone in this bullpen throw strikes?  Walks Theriot and  is now 3-0 to Pagan.

by CWSKeith on May 20, 2007 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

why you getting so upset?
bobby does this every outing. relax, man. at least he rarely lets them score.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typical Wrigley Fans
OMG LAZY FLY BALL YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

by colintj on May 20, 2007 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Never seen that before!
Cubs not getting their $136,000,000 worth.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Josh Fields had another good day today....
if Crede's problems are serious enough I'm ready to bring Josh up and hand him the keys for two weeks.  We have a weaker schedule, 7 straight at home, and most importantly he's playing very well right now (today 2-3, 2BB, SB, no error).

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

ozzie said
that crede's back was "real bad" and that it's been bothering him for a while. they'll be evaluating how long he'll be out. no plans to put him immediately on the DL.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Not good.
I'm sure the brass is very pleased with Joe.

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wonder.....
if Thome's absence was a reason why Joe hung around the last couple of weeks rather than take time off.

by stanchar on May 20, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

bullpen era this series
17.47
Stay grindy, my friends.

by larry on May 20, 2007 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice stat
But keep the faith - the hitting is getting better, so we'll be in 7-6 games rather than 3-2.

More exciting, served up the way you want it, lar.

Losing 2 of 3 sucks, especially when it costs me money/face with the douche Cub fans.  So the 4 in a row series streak is over.

Time to start a new one.

by winningugly on May 20, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a shame that we didn't trade Crede...
last offseason.  Now he's worthless and we will get nothing for him in a trade after the season.

by SSH2005 on May 20, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Will Carroll
wasn't nearly so dire, at least before the season began.

by colintj on May 20, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before I retire for the night
I just want to thank A.J. for the fact that I will be heading off to dreamland without a migraine.
President - Johnny Dickshot Fan Club

by tailgater on May 20, 2007 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

The Chicago White Sox
Team Batting average up to .226 after The series against the Cubs. Up from .222 after the Yanks.

OK, a little math is in order. Assuming this improvement continues linearly,

(122 (games left) / 3) * .004 + .226,

the Sox Batting Average will be .388 at year end.

Greg Walker is a REAL genius!!!!!!!

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

PS Nats closing in on Sox, .226 vs .228
for worst BA on baseball.

A journey of a thousand miles,.............

by ballyb on May 20, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

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