More trade rumors

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 4:16 PM CDT in White Sox Rumors

The Brewers, leading the NL Central by 8 ½ games, are kicking around the idea of trading for White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle -- a move that, while a longshot, would make sense. ... Approximately 10 teams are on Buehrle, including the Mets, Braves, Mariners and Buehrle's expected long-term choice, the Cardinals.

*****

And earlier in the day:

[Joe Cowley]

According to a source close to the situation, negotiations between the Sox and Buehrle's camp have been exhausted, with Williams believing he has no choice but to trade the left-hander, ... At least seven teams have made serious contact with Williams, with three actually having the resources to pry Buehrle from the White Sox. The Atlanta Braves and New York Mets were the leading contenders until this weekend, with the Boston Red Sox now becoming the front-runner. ... According to the source, the Red Sox not only want to keep Buehrle away from the New York Yankees and are willing to offer him a contract extension in the five-year range he is seeking, but they have a farm system loaded with players in whom the White Sox are interested. Starting pitchers Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden are on the White Sox' radar, as well as speedy outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury and shortstop Jed Lowrie.

And look inside for Kenny's take.

So, are you planning on trading Mark Kenny?

"Not today."

...

"Something's gotta happen. I'm tired of watching this. Slapped in the face, hit upside the head, whatever you want to call it -- change needs to happen, and change is going to happen. When that happens, I don't know. We have to do our due diligence. ... There's no energy. There's no production, offensively. The starting pitching is probably the most consistent aspect we have, so if you have to do some reshuffling and help the deck, at least if you have that in tow, it makes it a ... lot easier."

Coop says we couls sign Mark in the offseason even if he's let go. How about that?

"Sure, you can always hold out hope for that, but we're not working toward that."

BTW, Kenny says 10 players on the roster already have been inquired after by other teams.

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It doesn't matter what happens

KW will screw it up. MB for a minor-leaguer and last round draft pick. It's part of his vision. No one but him understands it and he's sick of explaining it. I think eventually the Sox will have 25 pitchers.

By the way, what ever happened to Ordonez, Rowand and Carlos Lee? I'm glad they passed on Soriano so we could keep McCarthy.

Maybe KW will bring in Ryne Sandberg? Ozzie Smith at SS to shore up the middle. Lance Johnson anyone?

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 4:28 PM CDT reply actions

Do you remember who won the World Series in 2005?

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions

The White Sox

Do you remember who just got swept by the Cubs and have lost 22 of the last 27 games?

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

The 1943 Brooklyn Dodgers.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

ha!

that got a good chuckle from me

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 24, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions

If someone asks, blame it on a botched surgery.

by colintj on Jun 24, 2007 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Who to believe?

"negotiations between the Sox and Buehrle's camp have been exhausted."
A source close to Mark Buehrle said Friday he was "99 percent sure" the pitcher would be in a Sox uniform next season.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions

Believe both

The Sox will probably match any (reasonable) offer, and Buehrle truly does want to stay.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions

So they trade him now,

and get him back as a free agent?

Can't see that happening.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

It won't be Buehrle traded.

It will be one (possibly two) of the guys with longer contracts.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions

That's Russian roullette.

I say that the offers he will get in the off season will be stratospheric. They won't MATCH a long, long Zito-like contract. I'd get what I could NOW.

Either sign him now or trade him now. Too risky any other way.

And I LOVE THE GUY.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed. Buehrle needs to be resigned this year...

or traded. He can't go to Free Agency.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Go back to sleep Lord Dracula

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTANTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 4:31 PM CDT reply actions

My pessimism can't even compare to his

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

Milwaukee?

Interesting, talented system. What might Doug Melvin offer? If Corey Hart, Ryan Braun, or Yo Gallardo enter the discussion, it's worth considering dealing with the Brewers.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 4:42 PM CDT reply actions

uhm... I assume Braun and Gallardo are untouchable

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions

they should be untouchable

and if I ran the Brewers they would be. Can't hurt to ask to see the extent of Melvin's interest.

The number of teams mentioned in the rumors is encouraging. Clearly Buehrle is perceived as a valuable commodity, and ought to bring back something good. Maybe untouchables are more touchable than we realize?

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions

I would guess that crazy things happen

when you're in contention for the 1st time in a long time.

Weak division. Next year, Cubs prospects looking up (?) and Cards won't be down long. Who knows when the Brewers will be in this situation again.

Plus w/ Buehrle, they'd have a fine rotation for the postseason.

Lastly, NOBODY would make a better BRATWURST than MB in the Sausage Races. I'd make a special trip up to watch.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions

had not considered the sausage race factor

Buehrle would be amazing in the land of beer and cheese. Also, if he stuck around, he could be a thorn in the side of the Chicago National League team for years to come.

I could warm up to a Sox-Brewers deal.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Both on my fantasy team...

Gallardo's K rate is unreal, and Braun is a legitimate 25-30 HR, 20-25 SB kind of guy... and that's next year. Who knows what he'll be doing in a couple years?

by mjthor on Jun 24, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Braun is unbelievable

He is looking a lot like the top #15 prospect in baseball.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

and I like Gallardo as much as any young pitcher

including Bailey, Lincecum, and Hughes. Watching him and looking at his numbers, you get the sense this kid really knows how to pitch at a "I will start multiple All-Star games" level.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Good bye Kenny, Good BYE kenny

Kenny you won us a world series and you ain't done shit since. Now do us a favor and quit so we can get someone like Dombrowski.He would trade all of your high priced bums who can't hit, finish last, get the top pick ( like he did in Detroit) and go on to the world series again. You choose to rob Kansas city of their shit pitchers, forget that you have to put eight more players out on the field, and thus again your first five players in the draft are again pitchers. The Sox are absolutely fucking terrible, and if you stay and don't change this team, the CELL will be emptier than you have ever seen it come next year. Unlike the stupid Cub fans,the Sox fans will not put up with the stench on 35th street

by BIG KLU on Jun 24, 2007 4:46 PM CDT reply actions

It's alot hader in real life

than on internet chat sites.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions

if you can't post drunk now, when can you?

I imagine the median blood alcohol level on this board is above the legal limit for driving now. Since there's no prohibition on posting under the influence, expect to see some farsighted commentary over the next couple hours.

Kenny ain't standing pat now anyway. We'll see him do something. Maybe not something we like, but there will be action.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions

The BAC is surprisingly high

and that's without Ugly on today.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Black pot = kettle

Son, you are the one to talk.

by winningugly on Jun 24, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Too soon

This type of tone is reserved for the Royals, Devil Rays, and the National. The sox as a organization hasn't gotten that bad yet. When they do they deserve to be trashed.

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTANTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions

It's hard to imagine you as a productive member

of society.

by colintj on Jun 24, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions

So

Konerko, Thome, Dye, Iguchi, Crede, are shit player?

Now it Kenny's fault they can't hit.

Now it's Kenny's fault the minor leaguers suck.

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTANTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 4:54 PM CDT reply actions

Kenny doesn't deserve any blame

for anything. He is allowed to make bad decisions for another 100 years.

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Kenny Williams is infalliable

Right now, he's calling Frank Thomas and telling him "you better stay out of White Sox business!"

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Re above.

1. It ISN'T Kenny's fault that Konerko, Thome, Dye, Iguchi, Crede can't hit.

2 It IS Kenny's fault TO A LARGE EXTENT the minor leaguers suck. He's been here long enough. It's HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 4:58 PM CDT reply actions

you are correct sir

by omnipotent grab on Jun 24, 2007 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions

It is the front office's fault that our MINORS

suck so bad. They are directly responsible for the hiring of the coaches, instructors, and for putting the talent there.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions

That's what the above post says.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Right, I was agreeing with you

and expanding upon your point.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Canning Shaffer is a start

Obviously there's much more to do, but getting Mr. Low Ceiling Safe Bet #1 Draft Choice out is a move in the right direction.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Absolutely true

The Sox talent level in the minors is enough to get somebody fired (I guess it already did). After competing for the playoffs for the most part 2001-2006 and a world championship in 2005, suggestions that Kenny should be fired should be laughable. But they aren't, because the minors are simply abysmal. They can't even generate replacement level players for DH or LF. As much as I like overreacting, I still can't say I think KW should be fired. But I can understand how someone would think that. And right now, he is looking like the 5th best GM in the AL Central. Every time I see Masset pitch, I become less sure that the Sox will get decent talent back in a firesale.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 24, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions

off topic Rod Beck dies at the age of 38.

Damn, pretty sad.

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah, considering even at his age,

he could probably perform better than our bullpen

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions

That guy was a character with that moustache...

Had some great moments in San Fran.

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions

haha

second good chuckle from this thread...this is just what I needed after the Sox got their asses swept

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 24, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Breaking News....

KW thinking of trading Buehrle, Thome and Konerko for this guy...

http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=434565

Great prospect! Part of the vision.

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 5:04 PM CDT reply actions

How about we all just hang ourselves

by omnipotent grab on Jun 24, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions

hahaha...the best thing I've heard today

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Sox starter ERA for the series, 2.14

Unfortunately the team BA was .170.

Sums the season up well.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:13 PM CDT reply actions

Great stat.

0 - 3, starter ERA for those games, 2.14.

Ripley's Believe It or Not.

Guiness Book of Records.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Also Cubs team ERA for the 3 games was .667.

They're not very good. I think that's higher that our last 2 series ; )

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions

KW is on the Score.

"Change is coming." Snore. Who is he going to get? Some AAA Pitcher from the Royals?

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 5:19 PM CDT reply actions

R u really that clueless

Or did you sleep at a holiday inn last night?

"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Jun 24, 2007 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions

This is the extreme flip side

of basking in the World Championship glow for Kenny Williams.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions

hey Chisox

The minor league fiasco is KW's fault !!! As GM he is responsible for all aspects of the organization. And besides-- before he was GM, he was the top minor league guru for the Sox. As far as the players mentioned, only Konerko looked like they wanted to be there. Thome is beginning to look like Greg Luzinski did in the 1983 playoff games, Iguchi looks like he was given a Vulcan mind meld, and Uribe wanted to play dancing with the stars with the Cub players today.The bench couldn't even beat the Milwaukee sausages if the played against them. The trade that KW should make, but won't is with Tampa for Carl Crawford. We need speed up and down the lineup, not only the leadoff man. so-- let me say again KW is as responsible for this fiasco as Dave Dombrowski is for putting together the present Tiger team !!!!!!!

by BIG KLU on Jun 24, 2007 5:33 PM CDT reply actions

Kicking a man when he's down is not my style

All I'm saying is he's done a nice job since he's been here. I like that he's young and don't play in the good old boys club that most older GM's do. Ive seen my share of clueless individuals from Ed Wade, Jim Bowden, Jim Henry and Mike Flanagan to know how a bad GM operates.
How he maneuvers from now until the 2008 season will determine how people judge his tenure.

Anyway..
Is he responsible for the status of the team= YES

Is he to blame for the status of the team= No

I can easily make this distinction, but other in today's society just like to point fingers.

GIVE THE MAN TIME TO RETOOL THE DANM TEAM.

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Depends on how you look at it

Yes the system sucks now, but it was once really good.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/26854.html

It was ranked number 1 by BA in 2001, which is 1 year after KW became GM, so clearly something good was going on while he was "the top minor league guru"

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 24, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah, Crawford is available

I'm several fifths of vodka away from seeing how Tampa trades Crawford, but perhaps I'll catch up to you soon.

by asinwreck on Jun 24, 2007 5:35 PM CDT reply actions

tampa

keep your vodka-- Tampa will always finish last with 20 outfielders-- they are the team that needs pitching

by BIG KLU on Jun 24, 2007 5:52 PM CDT reply actions

Tampa doesn't really need pitching...

They can likely get some bullpen help on the cheap with some of their mid-level prospects (Howell, Hammel), but with a future rotation of:

Kazmir, Shields, Niemmen, Sonnanstine, Price

to go with some of the young arms they have control of for the foreseeable future they should be fine.

They are getting production from young cheap players whom they control the rights to for a while. They are also able to fill needs with cast-offs like Harris and Pena who are producing around top prospects. Any trades they make will not be for rentals.

by krushcuts on Jun 24, 2007 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions

and more on KW's general manager abilities

does anyone remember what KW said after the MC Carthy trade? While being crucified by the press, he said-- I have all the faith in the world in our scouts, apparently we know something about these players that you don't know. Well KW just fired the guy he had all the faith in the world in. What does that tell you about the KW organization?

by BIG KLU on Jun 24, 2007 6:07 PM CDT reply actions

It tells me KW needs to be fired

Kenny needs to stop with this "You don't understand our high level moves B.S." Think of all of the top free agents that are out there after this season. How many will the Sox be competing for? I can see a steroid-free Jason Giambi in our future down the road. It's KW's favorite target: players on the downside of their career, like Erstad.

by LVSoxFan on Jun 24, 2007 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

A and B

A.) every bad team usually needs pitching, but that doesn't mean they will trade thier best player and one of the top 15 in baseball. The whole Crawford trade is bonehead for Tampa in any scenario.

Here's what Crawford makes in the future
2008:$5.25M,
2009:$8.25M club option ($2.5M buyout),
2010:$10M club option ($1.25M buyout)

so they'll take who for him? what young stud pitchers can we package, they don't want any current roster players because most organizations dont add older pitchers with big deals when their 15-20 games out at the deadline....

B.) Kenny did say that, but you also have different scouts who watch minor leaguers and major leaguers, the guys from Texas (Danks trade) have been scouted by the major league team led by Dave Wilder, the guy who helped convince Dye (whom he originally signed while working for ATL as a rookie), they were also the crew who wanted Hunter Pence in the Garland trade, I agree he should have more influence on the draft, but even the best teams only get 3-4 good players in the draft every year, and how many scouts do they hire for those players, it's almost a crap shoot, everyone passing on Pujols shows how hard it is to evaluate at that level

by tubesox on Jun 24, 2007 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Shaffer scouted a different sector

He did the amateur draft. Other scouts handle the pros including the minors.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 24, 2007 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Ellsbury

is a nice pickup in the Buehle trade, I watched the kid and he has the tools like Chris Young, maybe better

by tubesox on Jun 24, 2007 6:24 PM CDT reply actions

really?

Ellsbury? He has 0 power.

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Jun 24, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions

it's nice

that we all demand better from the Sox, rather then accept this and say "it's the sox", I think we all would like a better product on the field, but give Kenny credit he has set the bar higher for the fan base, and I enjoy the fact that we have a NY/Boston type attitude now

P.S. if Cintron gets traded oe released I will buy drinks for the whole board

by tubesox on Jun 24, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions

Where?

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes

Where indeed??

by Hazymania on Jun 24, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions

He must have left Dodge.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Bad form.

Of course it was all contingent on Cintron's trade/release and we all know how likely that is.

by Hazymania on Jun 24, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Noted.

"P.S. if Cintron gets traded oe released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07

by mjthor on Jun 24, 2007 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions

There's alot of Anti-Kenny rants today

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions

ballyb

you asked about our position players and pitchers next year
here's a quick one:

C AJ
1B Konerko
2B Iguchi
3B Fields
SS Uribe
LF Sweeney
CF Rowand
RF Kemp
DH Thome

SP Buehrle
SP Garland
SP Danks
SP Pelfrey
SP Floyd

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 6:47 PM CDT reply actions

Who r u trading

Javy for?

"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Jun 24, 2007 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions

pelfrey and prospects

maybe I should not trade javy but jon, anyway, just a draft!

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions

what do you think minaya will give us for jose?

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions

I could live with that pitching staff

but you need more turnover in the lineup, especially up the middle. AJ/Uribe/Iguchi/Rowand worked once, but it won't happen again.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions

is giles a FA this year?

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions

yes, he is

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions

yep

turnover in the middle is not an option.

"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Jun 24, 2007 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Just playing around

C - Salty
1B - Kongerko
2B - Betimit (can he play 2B?)
SS - Escobar
3B - Crede
LF - Fields
CF - A. Jones
RF - Sweeney

Hmm, I just started putting names in there that I thought would look good. Looks a little right-handed heavy, and doesn't really have any Ozzie speed types. Maybe Ichiro instead of Adruw, who I threw in there because he's having such a terrible year; i.e. a KW type of acquisition.

As to how we could get those players back in a trade... I don't know.. Vazquez, Contreras, or Garland and maybe MacDougal to ATL for Salty and Escobar. Dye and Iguchi/Uribe/Cintron/Mackowiak to LA for Betimit and a lower level prospect.

I don't think AJ would have any value, but he's not even an offensive catcher anymore, and I really don't want him here anywhere beyond '08.

Resign Buehrle. Heck, they can even pick up Erstad's option if they want if they promise he starts 25 or fewer games (unless an injury crops up).

That leaves pitching staff of Buehrle, Danks, and the Floyd/Gio winner with 2 of Contreras/Vazquez/Garland.

The key to the next 6 months may be extracting some high end prospects for Contreras, who, despite pitching fairly well today, hasn't been the same pitcher since that May 4th game last year. Hopefully there were a bunch of scouts at the game today since Contreras threw strikes and looked "crafty"

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions

I just realized

That looks like a bunch of ATL castoffs. That can't be a good idea.

Oh well, it was 10 minutes of idle speculation. I didn't put much thought into it.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Trade Contreras for...

Lastings Millage and Deolis Guerra . I have a feeling Omar would bit

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Thanks for your thoughts. How do we get Kemp?

Dye? I think not, these days. Not a lot going our way. Maybe we'll need to throw in Erstad ; )

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Kicking a man when he's down is not my style

Anyway..
Is he responsible for the status of the team= YES

Is he to blame for the status of the team= No

I can easily make this distinction, but other in today's society just like to point fingers.

GIVE THE MAN TIME TO RETOOL THE DANM TEAM.

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions

Apparently, Boston news stations...

are reporting that Buehrle is close to being a Red Sox. There are rumors that Buehrle did not board the charter plane to Tampa Bay with the rest of the team.

I guess we should expect to hear something soon...

I'm not the biggest fan of Wily Mo Pena but it would be nice to get him along with some prospects since our outfield for 2008 is not very promising right now. Maybe package Buehrle with a reliever and send them to the Red Sox for prospects and Pena?

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions

i got this feeling that Coco Crisp is involved.

I'm probably wrong

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Wily Mo, Coco?

sheesh. who wants those bums?

by ruffster on Jun 24, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions

jones

[daily herald]

Jacque Jones knows he's been the center of trade rumors and that the Cubs indeed are looking to move him. ... Rumored trades to the Rangers and White Sox don't seem viable, but the Mets may have interest.

by The Wizard on Jun 24, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions

NOOOOOOOOO

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Do you actually WANT Jock?

Or is that sarcasm? You should be happy after reading that quote.

I hope Kenny isn't stupid enough to trade for Jockstrap.

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Oops. Hell no don't want him

After reading rumored trades to Texas or White Sox I semi-blacked out and didn't see not viable

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions

WOW!

Do you live in the Boston area?

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions

Nope, I'm just reading various websites.

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions

where they were also saying

that WEEI was reporting that BUehrle had signed an extension with the Sawks. it's just some 15 year old getting his jollies.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 24, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Wow, I usually get my jollies off Internet porn...

but that's just me.

Well anyways, Kenny better not fuck this up.

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions

What'd be wrong with Coco Crisp?

We could do a lot worse.... cough Mackowiak... Gonzalez cough

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 7:51 PM CDT reply actions

Coco Crisp sucks...

And so does Mackowiak this season. And I still can't even believe that Andy Gonzalez has been on our roster this long. He sucks balls, just like most of our positional prospects.

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Saying he sucks is too kind

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I'd love to have him over Erstad & Pods

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions

That's because Erstad and Pods are bums...

Coco Crisp is better than them but I'd rather get a real upgrade like Ichiro in CF.

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Definitly.. I would love to have Ichiro

I really hope they get him in the offseason.

WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I doubt it, he is too expensive

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Kenny downplaying Dye's injury for trade value.

Dinged-up Dye avoids DL

That's a funny article on how Kenny is trying to downplay Dye's injury and Dye is admitting himself that "it's hurt real bad."

by SSH2005 on Jun 24, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions

Was there a rumor last year

for trading buerhle to boston for Coco Crisp but they didn't want to add anything else

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions

I've been in Europe

ever since the June 10th Astros game. JW if anyone can give me an update on how Josh Fields has been progressing as i see his BA has gone up...

by Jbasic89 on Jun 24, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions

Well...

He's been better than Crede was while he was playing this year.

Not really sure that's encouraging, though.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 24, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions

One thing not being discussed

is that the Sox should fire Herm Schneider's big, fat ass ;)

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions

for injury prone players getting hurt?

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions

What does this mean?

;)

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions

yea i know

basically the same for callin out kenny for every trade not working to perfection

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions

probably because

he's regularly lauded by Will Carroll as one of the guys who really has his shit together.

by colintj on Jun 24, 2007 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Well, look at the bright side

These recent losses don't hurt nearly as bad as those losses last year - eg I remember blowing a Sunday game to the Cubs last year when we could have swept them, and I almost threw the TV set out of the window.

This year, it's like putting a frog in a pot of cold water and gradually increasing the heat. I don't give a shit anymore. Bring on TB, woohoo!

by ChicagoPete on Jun 24, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions

Question??

Has anyone checked what next years salary might be like next year without Buerhle, Dye, Pods, Cintron, possibly Crede, Erstad and with possible cheap young players in their spots. I was figuring we would be able to land a big free agent outfielder this year since they'll probably be gone

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions

Hey Ichiro

Basically if the sox don't get a leadoff hitter in a trade that tell me they're going to break the bank to get him.

FORGIVE ME GREG WALKER FOR I HAVE SINNED. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I CONSISTENTLY HIT THE BALL.

by chisox on Jun 24, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions

thats what i'm hoping for

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions

You don't like Ichiro huh?

You want to risk with Pods again next year to lead off? You want the Sox to save money for something great?

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I just fixed my 360 too so i'm ecstatic

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by marco054 on Jun 24, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

It's still not likely

Crede will still be a Sox (try to get to play a productive half season and deal him deadline 2008). Roughly, I think the Sox still have a around $80M locked up next year without those guys. But the big FAs are not coming to the Sox. They either want a contender (Ichiro) or they will simply be too expensive. The Sox simply will not pay the price in years and $ for elite talent. That's not necessarily a criticism, as locking up a lot of payroll in one guy isn't usually a good move.

I would guess the Sox will go after guys like Vizquel, Castillo, Rowand, and Eckstein. They won't command huge deals and the Sox have been linked to all but maybe Eckstein before.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 24, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Omar Vizquel?

He's older than El Duque.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I know

by hitlesswonder on Jun 24, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Eckstein?

That's exactly what this team needs! There's just not enough grinding. Not enough spark. Imagine, Erstad, Pods, and Eck all on one team!

by Dongfang Hong on Jun 24, 2007 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions

The boys at FJM would have a field day

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 25, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Williams: 'Buehrle staying ... for now'

link

"I reject your reality and substitute my own"

by Air Raid Siren Stan on Jun 24, 2007 8:41 PM CDT reply actions

apologies

this has been covered

by Air Raid Siren Stan on Jun 24, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, that was like

afternoon news today...he's probably gone by tomorrow

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions

A few days ago,

"the White Sox and senior director of amateur scouting Duane Shaffer have parted ways after 35 years."

Since we started chopping the old, dead wood, any chance we see the same with Hawk, Farmer, et al.

Farmer really got panned in a weekend review. Hawk wasn't much better.

by ballyb on Jun 24, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions

Here's a lineup..

realistic and that should be good for 71 wins:

CF Darin Erstad
SS Alex Cintron
DH Jim Thome
1B Paul Konerko
LF Willy Pena
RF Joque Jones
C AJ P
3B Josh Fields
2B Andy Gonzales

by DrBox on Jun 24, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions

71 wins sounds great....

but whats the point of keeping Thome and Konerko if we aren't expecting to even compete next year?

by ckimcircles on Jun 24, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions

None but..

it's hard to move them.
My post was in jest - I'm sure Williams will do a lot better than my lineup.

by DrBox on Jun 24, 2007 10:44 PM CDT reply actions

Here's my shot

C AJ
DH Thome
1B Konerko
2B Richar (with Gonzalez getting some ABs vs lefties)
3B Fields
SS Vizquel
LF Wily Mo
CF Ichiro!
RF Sweeney (Terrero with ABs vs lefties)

Garland
Vazquez
Danks
Floyd
(don't know)

That's a little over 71 million for the above squad -- I have Ichiro at $15 million and Vizquel at another $4 million and made some estimates on others. Ideally, I'd go cheap up the middle -- Richar (after a successful half-season at Charlotte, of course) and ? -- and Buehrle comes back at 5/$75. I think they can do it, and heck, this team could probably be pretty decent.

I also don't know what I did with Joe Crede -- let's just say he vanishes off the face of the earth.

by CWSKeith on Jun 24, 2007 11:41 PM CDT reply actions