Spring Training Game #16: White Sox @ Rangers -- Gavin Floyd vs. Vicente Padilla
Time: 3:05 p.m. CT, Radio: MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)
Sox: Owens, CF; Ozuna, SS; Thome, DH; Konerko, 1B; Fields, 3B; Ramirez, 2B; Quentin, LF; Anderson, RF; Phillips, C
Rangers: Kinsler, 2B; Catalanotto, LF; Young, SS; Hamilton, DH; Byrd, CF; Blalock, 3B; Broussard, 1B; Murphy, RF; Saltalamacchia, C
Ozzie on Aaron Poreda:
- Dude, I am your father (hat-tip Baseball Musings).
- Video of the ProBatter in action (hat-tip Tango).
- 2008 AL Central preview (hat-tip and thanks larry).
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Podsednik redux.
Anyone have the link
"Fields has the leg up on the 3rd base "
This is a frightening defensive lineup
Wow...
I want one!
I can't see it
Programable pitching machine
cooool
Go here... they'll set you up
Oh, so that's what they're called
I've hit against one of these
It wasn't programmable beyond speed though. And teh pitcher was always Nolan Ryan.
Look at BA saying Im not dead yet
2 run shot
So you can rip on Gavin Floyd...
Hilarious and hypocritical, at the same time.
But look at the positive
I am a Floyd fan
Make your point a few times and move on till something happens. Must this be said to you forever until it sinks in? And its not just me saying it.
I don't obey your rules, Mr. WSI Posting Police...
JERRY OWENS SUCKS!!!
JERRY OWENS SUCKS!!!
JERRY OWENS SUCKS!!!
Haha.
Why do you
It's called
so you really see no alternative
All in all, how was floyd?
He sounded fine
More good news for Kenny and the gang...
Porcello is proving to be awfully polished for a 19-year-old. He has gone six up, six down in two of his three outings. In the other, he allowed one run and walked two in 1 2/3 innings against the Pirates.
Quit reminding us
by omnipotent grab on Mar 11, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, let the Porcello issue RIP
by omnipotent grab on Mar 11, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
if only I could read such posts
I guess anyone who likes good pitchers and
by omnipotent grab on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
BA
I don't care if he can only hit in spring. He's killing the ball.
Man, I'm pulling for him....
Isn't the
I just am having trouble understanding what is expected of BA. He's doing what he should be doing, and not just off of low A-ball pitchers.
you're right. it is unfair.
I wonder
Hardee-har har Larry
I know, I know
Of course he can hit Big league pitching
by omnipotent grab on Mar 11, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
OmnipotentGrab...
I fucked a nut for a year and a half. That's the best sex around!
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 11, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Bi-polar women rock!
Yes indeed...
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 12, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think my rhetoric outpaces my certainty
yeah
No hope and faith at all
We all know BA's problem. BA knows his problem. But mix in the facts that the Sox have a piss-poor hitting coach/staff and his personal turmoil from the past year, and injury, and you can see why he hasn't mastered this adjustment.
Maybe he won't--but I'm not going to say that he can't.
this is a bit more than an "adjustment"
And many do!
See... there you go again
maybe, maybe not
but that chance isn't a result of the fact that he's had to adjust to pitching his entire life. there is a reason that lots of kids who play little league don't make their high school teams, why some great high school players go undrafted and unsigned and can't hack it in college ball, why most college players can't hack it in the minors, and why a great number of minor leaguers don't become contributors at the major league level. everybody has a ceiling, and anderson's looks more and more like the imaginary yet legendary AAAA level.
by Toonderstrook on Mar 11, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a fine point
Don't I hate you
by Soulja Boy on Mar 12, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Baltimore...
K? Thanks.
P.S. -- Please be sure to feed Uribe plenty of Krispie Kremes. He especially likes them before he goes to bed.
My point about BA
by Soulja Boy on Mar 12, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
I dont know if you watched the series
by Soulja Boy on Mar 12, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We should probably sign him long-term
Great suggestion
Other than that, the trade idea is flawless.
his deficiencies with the bat are plain to me
He will continue to struggle in the bigs
by omnipotent grab on Mar 11, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Life is unfair.
btw this is c/p'd isn't it?
Looks like Charlotte will be good this season!
by defensive indifference on Mar 11, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions
Really,
Lots of runs.
To defensive indifference
Yep...
Side Note: the new meta thing should have some sort of player name spell checker! Bourgeois. That's my guess without looking.
by defensive indifference on Mar 11, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's the Frenchman?
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 11, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
oh... yeah...
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 11, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Buerlhe mentoring Danks AND
Let 2 guys get on base and then shut 'em down.
Ozzie
Not that it matters, really,
Re: Alexei Ramirez
Well,
I haven't seen an at-bat
I really like what Ive seen
i hope justice b. hill is drunk
Cooper rattled off Mark Buehrle, Javier Vazquez, John Danks, Matt Thornton, Tomo Ohka, Scott Linebrink, Octavio Dotel, Bobby Jenks and a handful of names who have a ticket to Chicago assured. They've done well.
"I'm OK with those guys," Cooper said.
No Floyd? hmmm
JR disappointed...
--Also not comitting to Cubs at the Cell--
Read the following comment on that linked page
Posted by "JF"
I'm a LIFELONG Cubs fan who actually follows the game of BASEBALL...Not some drunken fool who doesn't know what inning it is during a game @ Wrigley. Wrigley is nothing more than an old, dirty gigantic beer garden -- in which many of the supposed "Cub Fans" are ignorant as to what's going on the field as long as the beer is flowing and the bars are open after game. The Cell doesn't champion this type of environment...It's more baseball fan-friendly & family-oriented. If the Cubs play part of the season @ The Cell, this will weed out those supposed "Cub Fans" from the true BASEBALL Cub fans. GO CUBS GO!
DON'T DO IT JERRY!
by Soulja Boy on Mar 12, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh wow, Keith Law likens Ramirez to Soriano
You need insider to read the comments
I don't think Ramirez will ever hit many homers...
Here it is....(Keith Law)
Ramirez reminds me in a lot of ways of Alfonso Soriano, although he doesn't have Soriano's explosiveness at the plate. Ramirez is slight of build, but wiry strong, and could probably add some muscle in an MLB-caliber conditioning program. He has very quick wrists and gets the bat to the ball quickly, with very good plate coverage as well. His swing has Soriano's exaggerated finish, and when he connects he has plus raw power to his pull side (left field) and can at least put it to the wall to the opposite field.
The similarities to Soriano continue through to Soriano's biggest negative as a hitter, his lack of plate discipline, and if anything, Ramirez' discipline might be worse. Because he can get the bat to the ball so easily, he tries to hit everything, and very few players in baseball can succeed with that approach. In today's game, Ramirez swung at a ball that hit him, and then swung at another one that would have hit his jaw if he hadn't fouled it off. He took just two pitches in his first three trips to the plate, one of which was a called third strike. He seems to be a reactive hitter, one who reacts to the pitch as it travels rather than trying to recognize the pitch as it leaves the pitcher's hand. So if he gets a pitch in his zone, he can destroy it. He seems to anticipate fastballs in fastball counts, but he can be beaten by a pitcher who can locate his stuff just out of Ramirez's reach.
On defense, he is indeed a bit rough. He has plenty of athleticism to handle second base, but his actions are all wrong for the position, similar to the way B.J. Upton couldn't play second despite being an excellent athlete. Ramirez hampers himself further with a tendency to try to make the flashy play, going for the glove flip during today's game when he would have been better served trying to get the ball out of his glove and then throwing it.
If the White Sox give Ramirez a starting job, he's likely to hit for a decent average with 20-homer power, but his OBP would be poor because he's not going to draw many walks. A few weeks or months in AAA to get him comfortable facing American pitching wouldn't hurt him or the big club.
Other observations from Surprise&
- Josh Hamilton murders fastballs. He took the first pitch he saw, a 92-mph fastball from Gavin Floyd, out to center field, and his other two hits were also smoked. Hamilton isn't just a fastball hitter, but at the least, pitchers need to work him away with offspeed stuff, because throwing him a fastball in or near the zone is asking for trouble.
- Speaking of Floyd, he's gone backward since his days as a top prospect. The No. 4 pick in the 2001 draft -- one ahead of Mark Teixeira -- once had one of the best curveballs in the game, but it's dropped all the way to solid average, and he can't get consistent bite on it, throwing just one plus curve (to strike out Michael Young) during his outing. He doesn't command his four-seamer at 91-93 mph, and his straight changeup isn't going to fool hitters.
- Kazuo Fukumori worked a short inning, showing an 89-91 mph fastball with some downhill plane and a "shuuto" at 85-86 mph with a solid late break that's more vertical than horizontal, making it almost like a splitter with a little cut. He has some effort to his delivery, and I don't see plus fastball command. But if he stays on top of the ball and can mix in the shuuto, he should be effective.
- I've said before that I believe Josh Fields will develop into an above-average offensive third baseman, but he has yet to show progress recognizing breaking balls. That's going to keep his contact rate and his walk rate down, and he doesn't have a great glove on which to fall back.
How do you predict 20 homer power...
if one thinks
I don't see A-Ram having much more power...
Gooch is a disciplined, team-oriented
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
at any rate
He does need to bulk up...
Kinda like Slammin' Sammy now.
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 12, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If he swings from the heels
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Profundo...
I can see Ramirez getting to 20. Easy.
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 12, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Even though Uribe is a hack...
Wait a second
by southsideirish71 on Mar 12, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
for someone so well respected
Also, when did Law start scouting? I thought number crunching was his thing?
I think
Here's his bio from ESPN
Before joining ESPN, Law spent 4½ years with the Toronto Blue Jays as a Special Assistant to the General Manager, and was previously a writer for Baseball Prospectus. He graduated from Harvard College and holds an MBA from the Tepper School of Business at Carnegie Mellon.
Poreda...
This is encouraging, because it's been a while since a first-round pick by the Sox actually panned out... But maybe this is a good sign for the Sox this summer when they draft again inside the top 10.
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 12, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
And with the 8th selection in the 2008 draft
Wow, I can't believe he was still on the board. "KW"
Uh Kenny, Danks would of been there in the 2nd round. "Reporter"
Thats shows what you know, thats Jordan Danks a bonified baseball player. "KW"
But Alvarez. "Reporter"
Alvarez or other players are not a fit for the Chicago Whitesox. Alvarez is not Chicago tough. Jordan is a grinder. He is what we need. We select Baseball players with this draft not talented guys.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 12, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Hehe...
I wasn't worried
by southsideirish71 on Mar 12, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, he's a baseball player?
Your scenario...
I don't see Alvarez being there when the Sox draft :)
I'm still hoping on Smoak falling to the Sox.
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 12, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
today's lineup
Also pitching will be: Dotel, Carrasco, Logan, Egbert and Linebrink.
it is just ST, but carrasco has been interesting. seems like a potentially decent guy to have waiting in charlotte.
Bobby Nastradamus
I am still trying to reach out to the heavens and get a feel for who he might be traded for....I keep smelling Chicken.
I hope it is not for a box of chicken, but my thoughts are getting mixed up do to Rod (the guys office next to me) who just brought back a box of Mickey's chicken....hmmm hungry.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
rocco baldelli must have been a murderer
Baldelli said he had some type of "metabolic, and/or mitochondrial abnormalities, basically along the lines my body isn't making or producing ATP the right way, and therefore not allowing my muscles to work as they should and recover like they're supposed to on a day-to-day basis."
back to the DL for him.
Could it have been steroids in his past??
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Rumors were flying earlier
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He might be like a thoroughbred
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
just to clarify
this is a life threatening condition, based upon what he said. they caught it early, earlier than it's usually found in people, so hopefully that will help lengthen and increase his quality of life going forward. i realize you didn't mean anything with your question but steroids shouldn't be thrown around regarding this. it's a very sad thing for baldelli.
April 1st
I didn't mean to say he was on steroids when I stated that above, it was just a question. When it comes to PED in MLB now, I don't trust anyone...us fans were burned bigtime in the late 90's and early 00's...so I can't trust them anymore.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
they're not picking up the option
to make it perfectly clear, i've never heard of steroids - or any other performance enhancing drug - being linked to mitochondrial cytopathies.
Well, I guess we're not trading
Tough break for the kid - he's young, in his prime, and can't do what he's pointed himself toward his entire life. I hope he gets healthy.
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I didn't do my research on mitochondrial cytopathies before my post of steroids, I saw the lack of recovery in muscle tissue and thought of steroids.
I doubt I was the only one with this thought.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And the crowd goes wild!!!
this is why i'm curious
Herm needs the guys to do
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully, since Owens is starting to look like...
Bruce LeVineLine reporting...
I don't think that the Cubs value Murton much...
I feel another dead horse about to
Matt "Guitar" Murton, come on down!
by winningugly on Mar 12, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't need Murton anymore...
I wanted him as a LF'er to face lefties...
Or his brother, Jack?
I enjoyed this article....
Coco Crisp to the Mets for... Angel Pagan?!?
The Red Sox would be practically giving Crisp away, but they may feel they have no choice if he's going to cause problems as a fourth outfielder. It's not like there's a real market for him when Corey Patterson can't do better than a minor league deal and Kenny Lofton remains a free agent. Pagan at least can serve as a backup center fielder and would be content in the role, unlike Crisp.
So the Cubs are supposedly interested in Coco Crisp now and they already traded Angel Pagan to the Mets who can actually net Crisp? Crazy.
Crisp will
His OPS+ has been worse than Corey Patterson the last two years and he is due $4.75m this year and $5.75m next year - for a bench player.
I think Omar is making a big mistake with this one.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 12, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
he'd play more in new york
Orioles scouting Torpedo Boat?
According to The Score, scouts of the O's are watching Juan Uribe of the Pale Hose, in case the Brian Roberts goes through to us. If the Roberts deal drags on, would there be interest in dealing for Uribe for our SS? I know that he's a hacker and his OBP is probably less than Theriot, but he has 20 HR power and can field. He just signed a one year deal for $4.5-5 million.
The White Sox are looking for an experienced pitcher for the end of the rotation.
Score has been mentioning that all morning
Sorry...
first cuts, wiz happy, PK's bad toe
Pitchers Lance Broadway, Dewon Day, Charlie Haeger and Oneli Perez were optioned to Triple-A Charlotte, and pitcher Lucas Harrell was optioned to Class-A Birmingham.
Infielders Chris Getz, Royce Huffman, Mike Rouse and Jeff Liefer, catcher Ryan Smith and outfielder Miguel Negron were reassigned to minor league camp.
Left-handed reliever Carlos Vasquez, who was acquired with reliever David Aardsma from the Cubs for left-hander Neal Cotts, was waived.
The moves leave the Sox with 39 players in camp.
In addition, Paul Konerko was scratched from Wednesday's starting lineup because of a sore right toe. Josh Fields will be the designated hitter.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/wednesdays-cuts.html

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