Spring Training Game #23: White Sox vs. Rockies -- Nick Masset vs. Ubaldo Jimenez

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 2:35 PM CDT in Game Threads Comment 149 comments

Time: 3:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, MLB.tv (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)

Sox: Ramirez, CF; Cabrera, SS; Thome, DH; Konerko, 1B; Swisher, LF; Fields, 3B; Anderson, B, RF; Ozuna, 2B; Hall, C

Rox: Taveras, CF; Tulowitzki, SS; Helton, 1B; Holliday, LF; Atkins, 3B; Stewart, DH; Baker, RF; Torrealba, C; Nix, 2B

"He's done some good things this spring, and to be honest with you, I'm a little shocked. ... He's definitely looking like he's more comfortable, and the one thing we all noticed is it looks like he's going to be an exceptional fastball hitter. We're sitting around watching him with the breaking ball, and he's shown he can handle that. He's very aggressive. You can tell he's played a lot of baseball."

Walker said he has yet to make any adjustments to the rookie's swing and doesn't know if he will have to. "It's very different but workable. He has a forward press early on, almost [Alfonso] Soriano-like. For a thin guy, he has big-time power. The only time he really loses his mechanics is when he tries to do too much and he comes in and out of it pretty violently. He's a max-effort guy, and that might be something we try to calm down later. But right now, we're just letting him play. He's a unique guy, that's for sure. And he runs great, which is nice to see some more speed out there. There's some big decisions that are going to be made in this camp, and as far as I'm concerned, he's in the mix."

***** In other news,

Jim on the Crede-Fields situation.
Tango on what should Tampa do with Evan Longoria. And the BBTF link.
Can we send Greg Walker to the International Space Station?
Squeezing Out Every Dollar.

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WSCR reporting Uribe rumor

WSCR reporting Uribe rumor
Rumor is.... that the Sox released Uribe

Note - this is unconfirmed with no press release
Note - this is unconfirmed with no press release
Note - this is unconfirmed with no press release

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I just heard this as well from a co-worker...

That means that we have to eat his $4.5 million, right? And Ramirez is the 2B?

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No Way....

...I don't believe it.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like Uribe but this makes little sense

If you are going to pay him and dont see him as a starter. Then pay him to be a utility guy. But cutting him for nothing makes no sense.

by southsideirish71 on Mar 19, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly, he has to be traded...

The Sox wouldn't eat $4.5 million instead of keeping him as a utility man on the bench.

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't make any sense

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It sounds like he's been placed on waivers

If no one claims him, the Sox can either release him, outright him to the minors, or pretend like nothing happened. What am I missing?

by Winning is Fung on Mar 19, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's wonderful to hear from our brass

that everyone is "shocked, shocked!" that one of our signings is actually working out. Fills me with confidence in our scouting department - just like the New York Knights when they found Roy Hobbs. "He's nobody from nowhere - Ramirez is a joke!"

JR = The Judge
Ozzie = Pop
KW = Gus: "I like the action!"

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

whoopie

i doubt this is true, but it would be nice if it was.

by Q! on Mar 19, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Are there a lot of false rumors of players getting cut these days? I gotta say, I've never heard untrue cut rumors before.

The joy of repetition really is in you.

by defensive indifference on Mar 19, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just nutted

after hearing it on the score. please be true!

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

But why?

To get nothing in return for nearly $5 million? Not even an A relief prospect?

I don't get why that would make anyone happy(?)

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 19, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

keep in mind

1) i believe this is before the deadline for contracts such as uribe's becoming completely guaranteed; thus, it's possible that the sox may not be on the hook for all of it; 2) another team will almost certainly pick up uribe so that would also limit the amounts owed and; 3) perhaps most importantly, the sox may have simply "waived" juan, so they can still trade him, if that's the case.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well no more chance of his bat in the lineup

thats about it.

Didnt aardsma get DFA'd when we traded him to the Red Sox, or something similar? couldnt the same thing happen here with Uribe?

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

if you like Alexei Ramirez and want to see him get at-bats, this will (should) make you very happy. As Cheat mentioned a few days ago, the Sox are going to do their damnedest to place Ramirez in a 'psuedo-starter' role, getting him as many at-bats as possible without having him be a full-time starter -- kind of like what Colin was suggesting the Sox do with Fields (or not suggesting, but just seeing if it was possible).

by CWSKeith on Mar 19, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think this means ramirez is the starter

at least, arguably, until richar is ready. nothing pseudo about this move.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like Alexei

but I don't know if that was the correct move
larry says it is
couldn't profundo fill a jack-of-all-trades utility role?
what's $4.5 mil in today's MLB? I'm confused...

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

i didn't mean it was the correct move. i'm optimistic but not sure. but the sox obviously think ramirez is ready. i'm skeptical but, frankly, since i'm not sold on us competing i'd probably rather see ramirez up here getting full-time at bats than uribe.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't he look awfully raw at 2B?

And more fluid in the OF? Or might he and OC swap (yeah, right)?

Perhaps Owens/BA can learn to play 2B and AR can play CF...

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, sorry

I get you now...

are we sure what kind of waivers has profundo been placed on?
they aren't the kind you can pull back the player if someone claims him?

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

MEMO TO CATERING

Reduce pre-game buffet budget by $500,000.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 19, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good one

Cancel KFC contract ASAP!

by Winning is Fung on Mar 19, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and you can stop buying bananas

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more importantly

does this mean people can stop making fat jokes?

really, if you can't come up with anything more intelligent, don't post at all.

by hugh on Mar 19, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

common larry

fat jokes are fun!

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that is certainly a silver lining

if this is true.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way

They just shift to Toby

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

aw

c'mon hugh-munguous.
it'll be okay, have another 1 lb. bag of peanut m&ms.

just kiddin hugh
i cant help myself sometimes...

by Gus on Mar 19, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

here's the press release

whitesox.com

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you're a tease

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bastard

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently, Uribe was DFA'ed...

meaning the Sox have 10 days to trade or release him. It sounds like the Sox are hoping the Orioles claim Uribe and pick up his $4.5 million dollar contract.

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

unless this is a prelude to a deal

which it may very well be, this move certainly would signal a sea change in white sox organization thinking. obviously they think they've got something in ramirez and, i'd argue, richar eventually, and they're making the correct baseball decision to jettison uribe now and open up a spot for those guys. good.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In other words

As I have argued to Im blue in the face. Most of us have no freaking idea what is going to happen.

Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 19, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think i've gone blue

but the uribe situation is one that i certainly didn't make any pronouncements about how he would certainly be the starter opening day. i would say, however, that this move should surprise even the most sunny sox fans. this sort of stuff just isn't in their past MO. after reading all this crap on the board today, i must say this was a nice surprise.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crap!?

Aww, Larry, we'll try to be better by Opening Day. :P

The joy of repetition really is in you.

by defensive indifference on Mar 19, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems that kenny

didnt see any option but to take Ozzies toy away.

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seems to me

that ozzie would be involved in these discussions. and looking back i'd say these contingencies regarding how to use ramirez made the move clear. or maybe i'm just somewhat more optimistic in the organization after reading all the whining today on this board.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

then please explain the crede/fields situation

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

two hours ago

you would have asked me to explain the uribe/richar/ramirez situation. patience, grasshopper. all will be revealed.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hah

Yes Master Po.

If they're releasing Uribe, they might as well release Crede. They're both blocking better players.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not sure the issue is blocking better players

i'd say the issue is players who are rather easily replaceable blocking players. crede has a slightly better track record than uribe - he's actually an average player and likely would be one this year. and uribe was blocking not one but probably two players. if alexei is getting time at 2B down in charlotte where's richar? and vice versa. i'd imagine their contingencies also made clear that ramirez, if he were in chicago, wouldn't be getting as much ABs if uribe was in the picture.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, at this point

you can apply the same logic to Crede blocking Fields. Sending Fields back down to AAA doesn't help him develop, and Crede is a DL waiting to happen. I couldn't see the Sox eating Uribe's salary, I just can't see them eating Crede's too - but if there's no market for him, there's no market for him. You're not going to bluff teams into thinking they need a one year rental of a creaky 3B with an average-at-best bat.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

ozzie would never have used uribe as a sub...just like he'll never use jerry owens as a sub.

if KW is smart, he'll find a way to trade owens, ozuma and crede too. it's the only way the kids will play.

by longdrive on Mar 19, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what larry suggested?

[MLBTR]:

According to George Ofman WSCR 670 The Score out of Chicago, the White Sox are expected to place infielder Juan Uribe on outright waivers. Ofman mentioned that this rumor is unconfirmed by the White Sox. I believe this would give any team a chance to claim Uribe by taking on his $4.5MM salary.

The one team I've seen linked to Uribe is the Orioles, who currently have a need at shortstop and may have one at second if they trade Brian Roberts.

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Remaining from '05

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gonzo just updated his article...

He seems to think that another 2B is coming via a trade...

The move raises the possibility of the Sox acquiring a second baseman. Although Brian Roberts has been mentioned as a trade possibility, the Sox could be looking at another second baseman despite Baltimore's need for a shortstop. One possibility is Oakland's Mark Ellis.

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Updated again

It's been removed from the website.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

larry is "Deep Throat"

Do you ever tire of being correct?

;)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still say

He's Rick Hahn

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sun Times Blog - Uribe's gone!

Uribe's gone!

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Alexei shows Uribe the door

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

pics?

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

10 pitch at-bat

lead-off HR...

Thome follows.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

Might as well go with Richar/Ramirez, I guarantee they won't be worse than Uribe and they are cheap.

MrROFL.com - now with real content!

by shaftr on Mar 19, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I have no dislike for todays Outfield

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ozzie and the Media

So in Donovan's article on the Sox today, initially the article, referring to Guillen, said "Gay may be exaggerating." They have since corrected to say "Guillen may be exaggerating."

Has Mariotti infiltrated SI?

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 19, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Your sensitivity has been on the

upschwing since moving Left Coast, T-der.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Toolzakowski?

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 19, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Almost had it there

keep trying.

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From Mark Gonzalez

Wow, I can't believe they're willing to eat his salary, very un-Sox like - I don't see anyone claiming him within 72hrs and taking on his payroll. They needed to shake it up, I like this:

Uribe waived, another second baseman coming?

By Mark Gonzales, 3:18 p.m.

TUCSON, Ariz. -- The White Sox placed infielder Juan Uribe on waivers Wednesday, according to a major-league scout.

If Uribe is not claimed by another team in 72 hours, the Sox will have to release him and be obligated to pay his $4.5 million salary for 2007.

The news came after a lengthy meeting of the Sox staff Wednesday morning. Uribe was batting .333 and had a six-game hitting streak.

An Orioles source said Wednesday the club's baseball staff wants to deal Roberts to fortify its entire system but has been held up by owner Peter Angelos, who is said to be fond of Roberts.

Uribe participated in morning drills and was playing dominoes with teammates before the clubhouse was closed ahead of Wednesday's game with Colorado.

Second baseman Danny Richar was scratched from the lineup because of back pain. Alexei Ramirez has impressed the Sox staff in his first spring training but is considered raw defensively.

The Sox, in accordance with major league rules, cannot comment on which players are on waivers.

Uribe moved to second after the Sox acquired Orlando Cabrera this off-season.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Mark Ellis would be sweet.

Let's get all my favorite Oakland players while we're at it. If Kenny can work a deal for Ellis, Blanton, and Huston Street I will cease all complaining. Forever.

How can Mark Gonzales think the Sox have any chips worth trading for Mark Ellis or Brian Roberts? Do people really regard Egbert/Broadway/anyone else in the system that highly? I mean, those are 2 good to very good 2B.

by parkermo on Mar 19, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

josh fields pulled from game after hbp

anyone see it on CSN?

by hugh on Mar 19, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yea

prolly just as a precaution, he looked fine after the hbp

by tbone328 on Mar 19, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope more pitchers come down with the flu

the more Masset pitches, the less likely he is to make the team.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

looks like Nick

strapped on the "incest mask" for today's game.

by Ryno on Mar 19, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Over my head

Inside joke, or am I old?

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

incest mask

is an anagram of nick masset. somebody posted it last season. it was so apt i could never forget it.

by Ryno on Mar 19, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, now I remember

Thanks.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the same thing about Owens

then the jerk decided to play well. :)

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 19, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might to join Juan

With the exception of Pablo at third - any thoughts on the lineup today - (Insert Joe or Josh there as the regular) - I know Jason has played 2nd, though I have not seen him play it.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lmao

I was thinking the same thing!

Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 19, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Masset sucks balls.

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just wait

until Father Time, Danks and Floyd get a few starts. Then you'll see some ball suckin'.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 19, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you would know

by Jbasic89 on Mar 19, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

Well, maybe.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 19, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have Hawk & DJ said anything about Uribe yet?

Usually it's straight from Kenny's lips to Hawk's ears.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Alexei doesn't really glide to the ball

when in the outfield. He's been heel-striking, which can make the ball jump around on you. But he took a good route to that ball in the gap, and didn't have any problems.

Showed a pretty good arm to 3rd too.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Missed the cut-off man on two consecutive plays

A little overzealous with his throws here today.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Missed the cutoff man twice?

I'd be embarrassed.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

embarrassed? And how!

He's Cuban after all. He will never be able to show his face there again unless he fixes that. Which he will. Because he's Cuban.

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 19, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cubans are proud - the proudest, actually

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Almost missed a third

His last throw in to Cabrera took a right turn in the last 15 feet. I think the ball might have had some damage from being hit off the top of the fence.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what is everyone's guess as to 2B?

Is it going to be Ramirez, Richar, or a trade target?

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i smell some surprises coming

Ramirez could be 2b, but KW would trade him to the O's in a package for Roberts in a heartbeat.

I think Massett might be done... he'd probably clear waivers anyway.

by ruffster on Mar 19, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank God!

This team was stale, and was shaping up to look a lot like last year's team. They needed to shake it up big time. I'd still like to see some more moves to make room for the youngsters.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad that Kenny realized his mistake...

and is dumping Uribe now. But wasting $4.1 million dollars looks pretty stupid now. That could be another reliever to replace Nick Crapsset.

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Give him credit though

Mistakes are made - I'm glad he isn't forcing us to live with it

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Boy...

Ramirez looked sorta goofy on that Tulowitzki double.

by parkermo on Mar 19, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hawk and DJ

don't know about Uribe yet.

by stanchar on Mar 19, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL - Now that is funny

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's kinda obvious

when Borguserious is playing 2B in the second inning.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They do the journalism profession proud

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it possible that...

the Borguserious man is going to start at 2B?

Or will it be Ramirez with Borguserious on the bench?

Hmmm...

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Borg-u-serious!?

Is that how it's pronounced?

The joy of repetition really is in you.

by defensive indifference on Mar 19, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

toolewitzki

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 19, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WhiteSox.com has picked up the rumor...

"Report: Sox place Uribe on waivers
Veteran has been competing to be Chicago's second baseman"

TUCSON, Ariz. -- Juan Uribe's run on the South Side of Chicago might have come to an end on Wednesday, according to a report first coming from The Score, 670 AM.

The White Sox flagship station announced that Uribe had been placed on waivers, meaning that if he's not claimed by another team in 72 hours, the team would have to release him and pay his $4.5 million salary in 2008.

In accordance with Major League rules, the White Sox are not allowed to comment on the rumor.

Uribe's agent, Martin Arburua, said he has not been informed of Uribe being waived.

"I haven't heard anything like that," Arburua told a pool of reporters. "Everything I've been told by the club was positive about Juan. I heard he was hitting well, playing great defense. That would be a shock."

by SSH2005 on Mar 19, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Ugly, you changed your diapers yet?

Even your gold shit the bed today, every friggin markets is wild - equities, debt, real estate, commodities, you name it. The grain markets are topped out, I don't think your metals are far behind. Brace yourself for a lot of violent action, coming to your theater soon!

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

These are the kinds of articles I warned about

More consumers turning gold keepsakes into cash. When mom and pop are aware that gold is at $1,000, the party's over.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not yet, Pete.

$1500 or bust. Then $2000+.

MAYBE a little washout before up again.

We have not had one big up day in gold forever - NOT ONE. Wait til it's up $100, three, four, five days in a row. Then maybe it's topped. But IMO still much upside left. Fed printing bucks at a feverish pace.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, I don't think it's done yet

But you're gonna be on a rollercoaster from here on out if you sit through this, they're going to make you earn every penny going up from here. This action today shows you how quick the longs are to bail out and take profit at the first sign that it might be over.

You gotta remember, there's no intrinsic value in gold, it's a pure speculative play. It's not a reserve currency anymore or anything like that, it's a pure plaything.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hedgies still liquidating

Their munis are gone - margin calls - and nothing else is profitable except international bonds and commodities. Oil puled back more than gold today - so what? I'm up 46% in the last 12 months in commodity funds, 36% in gold - a 4-5% pullback ain't no thang.

I'm waiting for more of a pulback and then will put more in my 401k. For clients - 5% gold, 3% commodities, 6% managed futures re: asset allocation.

Gold is denominated in dollars, bro. When the dollar falls, gold goes up. Simple as that. And the dollar will continue to fall. Wait until we lose our AAA govvie bond rating in 3-5 years, bro. You'll be buying gold.

I agree that Ma and Pa Kettle usually act as contraindicators - and GLD has an incredible amount of $ in it compared to the amount of actual gold out there - but we're in a commodity bull run that's got 5-7 years left, minimum. Metals are notoriously volatile, so enjoy the ride.

And bally wears the diapers around here.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

10% of your portfolio eh?

I hope you have a strong stomach. Margin on futures is 5%, that's 20/1 leverage - they don't fuck around. You seen what wheat's been doing? I love that day last month, a $2.50 trading range ($10.00/bushel to $12.50) - they ran through a quarter of the price of the commodity in one day's trading, that would be like the DJIA swinging through a range of 3,000 pts in one day woohoo! People get excited when the Dow moves 300pts, imagine that 10x. And wheat is a market for a product that there's actually a use for it - you can eat it! As I mentioned gold is a pure speculator market, and a lot of money is moving into commodities now because that's where returns seem to be. Once gold starts swinging it'll be even more extreme because there's no commercial hedgers to step in and dampen it. Just commodity funds and cowboy traders pushing contracts around, should be a fun ride - strap in and enjoy!

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Overdue for a pullback (overshot on the upside), and it's doing what it's supposed to - be negatively correlated to the stock market's performance. Until yesterday. Stomach is plenty strong - I'm a Sox fan and post on this site, remember?

And, shoot, margin is the same on bonds. And look how safe that's been.

;)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here we go

How's this for timing? This article in today's NYT's, all about the hot money that's moved into the futures market in the past year.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good - need more articles

on how unpoliced commodities/futures are. Get the weak hands out. "Doubled in the last 6 years", eh? Wow, an annualized 12% return when equities have done more than 15%.

Nice. And if retail folks are putting more than 4-6% of their portfolio in managed futures, or more than 5-10% in gold/commodities, they are knucleheads.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You my man!

That's the attitude you gotta have to stick through the kind of action you're gonna see - Chicago tough!

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I follow Jim Rogers -

liked him for years. Look at his quote on Bloomberg last night - "interest rates are going through the roof - and thus commodities are going through the roof".

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with ya

I totally agree it's the place to be right now, IMO we're about to go into an inflationary cycle - that's why I'm not hesitating to buy more real estate, I'm locking in low fixed mortgages so I hope I should do alright by jacking up my rents on income properties to keep pace with inflation. You want to be a borrower during inflation, not a lender. Doubt that I'll see much if any real after-inflation appreciation the next ten years but I can deal with that.

But back to the goldie bars - up till now you've had a nice mellow little ride up in gold, from here on out they're going to grab you by the neck and shake you around hard the rest of the way. I've traded in some wild grain markets in the past, it's always nice to have a cushion of the house's money to sit on when the market enters this kind of phase - this is not the point to be jumping in to establish a position.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely correct

So we'll add to existing positions in about another 5-10%. I actually urped this AM and took some profits in GLD - not the commodity funds or futures, which actualy held up relatively well the past couple of days (only down 3-4%).

You're right - you'll be sitting for a long time on your RE, but if you have 10 years, why the heck not? Equities won't do much better. Just make sure you can keep up with the tax/insurance increases, bro.

As Friedman wrote, the world (market)is flat.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian.

Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

2 run double.

Off Taylor Fucking Buchholz.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check that.

Off Tomas Santiago.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Homer here ties it.

Practicing to replace Farmer.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thome. Thome. Thome. Thome. Thome.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Thomer

Uribe gets cut and everyone wakes up!

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope

it put the fear of God in them all.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alexei, you commie bastard!

Catch that - how embarrassing!

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Anderson has it in his hip pocket.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not good

Alexi.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ramirez

gets his first ball that he can look bad on... and does..

Doesn't take a direct route. Uses speed to make up for it. Gets a little scared of the wall, fails to come up with a backhand.

I don't know if it's a ball that Swisher gets to. Owens should get to it. Anderson would have had time to eat a sandwich on the way to get it.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good description.

Then walks away smiling.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and waves to the honey in the stands

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did he?

Ozzie will (deep down) love it.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant BA

after he runs his fingers through his golden locks, of course.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jon Link(???) replaces Matt Anderson(???)

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gameday.

Pitcher: Undefined

Batter: Nick Swisher

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

but who will play the 8th or 9th

position in the batting order? Where's SSH with the revised lineup?

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 19, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not a lot of ABs,

but the frenchman looks confidant at the plate.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

BRIAN ANDERSON IS A GOLDEN GOD!!!!!!

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pitch before that

he looked atrocious.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hater

by longdrive on Mar 19, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no shit!

Let's cut Owens now and clear the path for Anderson.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody (excepting possibly Wiz)

has been a bigger BA supporter.

Right Wiz?

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

(Sound of Wiz wiping his mouth)

"Sure am! And how!"

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 19, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish I could see BA in all his glory

gameday makes me nauseous.

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It truly was glorious

He mashed it and hit the top of the fence in dead center - right over Pods' head as a matter of fact!

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His bad swings

are not good. Really amateurish.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I suppose Jesse Owens looks like Ty Cobb?

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Drops his right shoulder,

Come on, can't that be corrected.

Maybe wire him up and jolt him whenever he swings like that.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He learned it from Crede

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 19, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If its that obvious - what's Walker doing with BA?

Staring at his golden ticket

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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