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John Sickel's White Sox Top 20 prospects list

Compiled just before today's fleecing:

I was about to post this when word of the Oakland trade came through. As you can see, this trade guts the top levels of the White Sox system.
  1. Gio Gonzalez, LHP, Grade B+ (ranks second on Oakland list)
  2. Fautino De Los Santos, RHP, Grade B+ (ranks third on Oakland list)
  3. Aaron Poreda, LHP, Grade B+
  4. Jack Egbert, RHP, Grade B-  (A major sleeper)
  5. Ryan Sweeney, OF, Grade C+ (I don't think his power is going to develop. Ranks 12th on Oakland list)
  6. Lance Broadway, RHP, Grade C+
  7. Nevin Griffith, RHP, Grade C+ (great ceiling, needs polish)
  8. John Ely, RHP, Grade C+
  9. Kyle McCulloch, RHP, Grade C+
  10. Charlie Haeger, RHP, Grade C+
  11. John Shelby, 2B, Grade C+
  12. Jimmy Gallagher, OF, Grade C+
  13. Jose Martinez, OF, Grade C+
  14. Fernando Hernandez, RHP, Grade C+
  15. Oneli Perez, RHP, Grade C+
  16. Brian Omogrosso, RHP, Grade C+
  17. Ehren Wasserman, RHP, Grade C (solid role pitcher)
  18. Christian Marrero, 1B, Grade C
  19. Clayton Richard, LHP, Grade C
  20. Leroy Hunt, RHP, Grade C

Other Grade C guys include Dewon Day, Lydon Estill, Maurice Gartrell, Archie Gilbert, Francisco Hernandez, Nathan Jones, Johnnie Lowe, Donny Lucy, Sergio Miranda, Heath Phillips, Adam Russell, Salvador Sanchez, Micah Schnurstein, and Kaneoka Texeira.

Basically the Sox took a mediocre farm system and lopped the three of the top five players off the list with one trade. There isn't much depth, and position players are especially weak.

"guts" is putting it too kindly; and don't forget chris carter...

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In other news,

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White Sox to lose Fernando Hernandez in Rule 5 Draft

That headline will come as a surprise to no one around here, but it seems Hernandez is 'building momentum' with scouts as the draft approaches.

Often compared to Twins righthander Matt Guerrier for his command and control rather than pure stuff, Hernandez is also an innings-eater with an above-average curveball.

"This is a guy someone's going to bite on," said one National League scouting director. "He's all guts and showed the ability to shut people down with games on the line. He profiles as more of a middle reliever, but any manager you talk to who's had him will tell you they're not afraid to put him in there in the ninth inning.

"His fastball can be fringy, but he's got a pretty good curveball with a lot of depth to it, and his changeup is probably his second-best pitch."

Cole Armstrong was unavailable for comment.

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2007 Community Prospect List: Results

Rk Player Name                   Pts
1. Fautino De Los Santos         147
2. Gio Gonzalez                  144
3. Jack Egbert                   109
4. Chris Carter                  105
5. Ryan Sweeney                  101
6. Aaron Poreda                   78
7. John Shelby                    63
8. Lance Broadway                 55
9. Jose Martinez                  49
I've only listed your Top 9. There was a 2 way tie for 10th, but those players ranked 34 points behind Jose Martinez. There were a collection of 11 different players who landed on at least one persons ballot who do not appear on the final list. It's so hard to differentiate from prospects that far down the chain, that I just decided to truncate the list at 9.

DLS was the runaway #1, even though his point total doesn't reflect that. He was listed first on 10 of 14 completed ballots. Only a 4th place listing on one ballot, plus Gio being listed at 1 or 2 on all 14, made it close. Either way, they were the consensus 1-2 in the Sox system.

From there, little separated the next three, Ryan Sweeney, Chris Carter, and Jack Egbert, with Egbert's strong AA performance and Carter's 25 HR in Kanny outpacing Sweeney's youth and scouting report.

I'll include my own list in the near future. Hopefully, before Kenny makes the list even smaller with a foolish trade.

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2007 Community Prospect List

We've done this twice before with moderate success. You know the drill. Rank your top, let's say 11, prospects (in order) in the comments. I'll give this a bump or two during the next week, and tabulate the results by next Friday.

Past Results

              2005                                    2006
Rnk  Player              Points        Rk   Name                  Pts
  1. Chris Young            135        1.   Ryan Sweeney          166
  2. Brian Anderson         121        2.   Josh Fields           151
  3. Gio Gonzalez           118        3.   Lance Broadway        141
  4. Ryan Sweeney           111        4.   Aaron Cunningham      103
  5. Ray Liotta              65        5.   Charlie Haeger        101
  6. Daniel Haigwood         60        6.   Oneli Perez            71
  7. Lance Broadway          55        7.   Kyle McCulloch         51
  8. Jerry Owens             51        8.   Jack Egbert            22
  9. Robert Valido           48        9(t) Jerry Owens            19
 10. Josh Fields             36        9(t) Heath Phillips         19
t11. Sean Tracey             15        11.  Lucas Harrell          14
t11. Francisco Hernandez     15        12.  Chris Carter
 15. Aaron Cunningham                  13.  Adam Russell

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Trick or Treat, you decide

Whether or not you choose to believe the claims about who he is or who he works for, the discussion raised by a (supposed) member of the White Sox new minor league guard over at SoxTalk is well worth reading. Though, I don't know how excited we're supposed to get over a talent evaluator from the Orioles. That'd be like getting excited about a new minor league pitching coach from the Pirates. Oh, wait.

The discussion centers on our rookie leaguers, so consider this you "Better Know a League" post that I promised and never delivered.

Reading and responding to the post has killed the better part of my afternoon, during which I had planned to outline my off-season plan. Since my sister is due to show up at my door in the next hour, I doubt I'll be able to get to it before Sunday. I'm just like the Sox promising something (We're gonna win in '08), delivering something else (losing '09-'10).

There's also a video (mms), on the main page of MiLB.com of Egbert and Sweeney, but my Firefox just upgraded and needs a restart, which I suspect is the reason it's not launching for me. Update [2007-11-2 17:35:32 by The Cheat]: Turned out to be a puff piece on the current AFLers.

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Speaking of trick or treat (wiz):
Trick-or-treaters who arrived at the suburban home of Jim and Andrea Thome on Wednesday received a special surprise, as the couple handed out full-size candy bars, autographed by the prolific slugger.

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Baseball America's SAL Top 20 Prospects List

BA:

1. Desmond Jennings, of, Columbus (Devil Rays)
2. Hector Gomez, ss, Asheville (Rockies)
3. Fautino de los Santos, rhp, Kannapolis (White Sox)
4. Lars Anderson, 1b, Greenville (Red Sox)
5. Chris Marrero, of, Hagerstown (Nationals)
6. Jordan Schafer, of, Rome (Braves)
7. Henry Sosa, rhp, Augusta (Giants)
8. Jeremy Hellickson, rhp, Columbus (Devil Rays)
9. Ryan Royster, of, Columbus (Devil Rays)
10. Chris Carter, 1b, Kannapolis (White Sox)
11. Chris Coghlan, 2b, Greensboro (Marlins)
12. John Raynor, of, Greensboro (Marlins)
13. Adrian Cardenas, ss, Lakewood (Phillies)
14. Tommy Hanson, rhp, Rome (Braves)
15. Brandon Snyder, 1b, Delmarva (Orioles)
16. Jared Goedert, 3b, Lake County (Indians)
17. Daniel Mayora, ss, Asheville (Rockies)
18. Justin Maxwell, of, Hagerstown (Nationals)
19. Josh Reddick, of, Greenville (Red Sox)
20. Billy Rowell, 3b, Delmarva (Orioles)
Batting and pitching stats for the SAL league. Kannapolis stats.

And MiLB.com has an organizational review for the Sox. Here's the part on Chris Carter (pictured above):

Although Shelby had the second-highest batting average among full-season Chicago farmhands (Jason Bourgeois hit .306 at Triple-A Charlotte), Chris Carter did everything he was supposed to this season and gets the player of the year kudos from this party. The 20-year-old slugger hit .291 at Kannapolis, led the organization with 25 homers and tied teammate Brandon Allen for tops with 93 RBIs. What was more impressive was the fact that Carter began to show some of the plate discipline the team had hoped to see. He struck out every 3.4 at-bats in 2006, but saw that average improve to a whiff every 4.1 at-bats this year. Carter drew 67 walks and despite playing in a full-season environment for the first time, remained consistent in the second half of the year, hitting .276 after the break.

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Better Know Your Minors: Dominican Summer League

I figured I would start a recap of the White Sox minor league system by taking a look at the lowest level first, the Dominican Summer League. The Sox entered two teams this season after closing up shop on their Venezuelan Summer League team. But a quick scan of the stats (and birth dates) from the Sox two Dominican clubs yields little in the way of prospects.

While many of the Major's top stars have come from the Dominican, the league itself is probably comparable to junior college ball with some talented high-schoolers added. There are some players older than 21, but their numbers are limited thanks to the ever continuing search for the next top prospect. The average age is under 19, with the top prospects being 18 or younger. There are some stars, but the overall talent level isn't anything special. A vast majority of these players will never get off the island.

The average batting line in the DSL is .238/.338/.320. The average player has an IsoD of .100 and an IsoP of .82. In other words, they don't hit for much power in the DSL. And since we all know the old saying "you can't walk your way off the island," we can assume that the pitchers are really wild. Because of that, you have to discount some players high OBPs and walk totals, and really penalize anyone who isn't taking their fair share of free passes when evaluating a player solely on the numbers.

Now that we've got the caveats out of the way, let's look at some numbers. Here's a list of the White Sox offensive stars

Pos Player Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG +---+--------------+----+------+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+----- 3B Luis Sierra 19 246 52 74 17 0 6 51 28 29 .301 .395 .443 1B Johny Celis 21 232 38 67 11 0 8 52 50 37 .289 .431 .440 2B Jeffer Patino 18 219 44 65 9 3 2 34 29 36 .297 .394 .393
Patino is the only position player with a younger than average birthdate and an OPS approaching .800. As a result, he's probably the only player who can currently be classified as a real prospect. I included Sierra and Celis because they were among the league leaders in doubles (Sierra), walks (Celis) and HR (both).

Here's how they compare to other top offensive talents in the division.

Pos Player Team Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG +---+--------+------+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+----- 2B Hidalgo Twins 18 190 27 58 13 3 2 28 27 28 .305 .398 .437 SS Franco Royals 17 209 38 59 10 2 1 18 23 34 .282 .355 .364 CF Cid Indians 17 262 37 79 8 2 1 24 28 49 .302 .378 .359 SS Abreu Indians 17 228 34 69 13 7 4 41 18 46 .303 .353 .474 2B Basabe Indians 17 208 38 59 4 3 1 24 45 30 .284 .412 .346 3B Diaz Indians 19 238 40 75 19 2 8 41 37 29 .315 .426 .513 C Aponte Indians 19 237 27 69 18 0 6 39 22 41 .291 .387 .443 OF Jan Tigers ?? 184 50 55 6 3 0 31 57 34 .299 .461 .364
The Indians are the class of the division with young, up-the-middle defenders producing well. They nearly have as many interesting position prospects on one DSL team than the Sox have in their entire system.

Onto the pitching, where the White Sox have, well, nothing...

Pos Player Age W L G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA WHIP +---+---------------+----+---+---+----+---+-----+---+---+----+---+---+---+-----+----- SP Joucer Martinez 21 4 5 16 15 83.1 65 32 22 3 23 73 2.38 1.06
Joucer is the only Sox pitcher with more than 50 innings pitched at a WHIP under 1.45. In a league where the average batting line is anemic, the Sox field only two players with a WHIP under 1.3, and they're both 2 years older than the average age for the league.

Now let's look at the top pitchers in our division

Age W L G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA WHIP +---+----------+---+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+----+------+----- SP E Reynoso DET 18 9 0 13 13 70.2 36 10 6 0 23 110 0.76 0.83 SP D Salazar CLE 17 5 3 14 14 64.1 52 25 14 1 12 49 1.96 0.99 SP A Perez CLE 17 1 2 13 10 49.2 41 18 16 3 13 64 2.90 1.09 SP M Garcia MIN 17 7 2 14 13 77.2 60 23 20 2 25 81 2.32 1.09 SP G DL Cruz KC 17 3 2 12 12 56 32 10 7 0 13 55 1.13 0.80 SP K Herrera KC 17 4 1 11 5 42.2 30 6 4 1 15 50 0.84 1.05
And that's just the top DSL talent from within our division. If I was to expand that list to include young guys who I consider worth watching -- perhaps a better classification would be more interesting than Joucer Martinez -- I'd immediately add another 16 guys to the list (included after the jump).

The fast rise of Fautino De Los Santos, who will rank #2 in my off-season White Sox top 10 prospects list, should give the Sox incentive to put forth a more concerted effort in the Dominican. The top international spenders are currently the Red Sox, Yankees, and Mets with Tigers starting to get into the fray as well. It's already paying dividends with Reynoso (Though I'm entirely unsure about the bonus he recieved). The White Sox rarely spend any noteworthy money on international signings, and it clearly shows in their lack of talent in the DSL this season.

Continue reading this post »

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White Sox win the division!

Salvador SanchezThe Great Falls White Sox clinched the Pioneer's League Northern Division:

Great Falls is headed to the Pioneer League Finals after topping Helena, 10-3, on Monday in Game 3 of the North Division Championship. ... The White Sox will visit South Division champion Orem for Game 1 of the best-of-3 Finals on Wednesday. Great Falls took six of seven meetings with the Owlz during the regular season.

* MiLB.com Pioneer League Playoff Coverage

* Great Falls Tribune: Game 1, Game 2, Game 3

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White Sox Top 10 Prospects (Updated)

  1. Gio Gonzalez
  2. Fautino De Los Santos
  3. Ryan Sweeney (still a believer)
  4. Danny Richar
  5. Jack Egbert
  6. Chris Carter
  7. [insert mediocre pitcher here]
  8. [insert recently drafted player here]
  9. [insert relief prospect here]
  10. [insert mediocre pitcher here]
Discuss

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White Sox have 3 of minor leagues' top starters

Catching up on my reading, I caught this piece from the Baseball Analysts in which Rich Lederer skims all minor league starters for guys who miss bats (K/9 > 9), have decent control (K/BB > 3), and keep the ball in the yard (HR/9 < 1).

Here's the list that he comes up with:

Name Team Level Lg Age K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 WHIP ERA Matt Garza MIN AAA IL 23 9.29 3.30 3.06 0.49 1.35 3.62 Clay Buchholz BOS AA EL 22 12.05 2.28 5.27 0.42 0.89 1.77 Alan Horne NYY AA EL 24 9.84 2.83 3.47 0.39 1.24 2.36 Gio Gonzalez CWS AA SL 21 11.08 3.36 3.30 0.70 1.17 3.04 Jack Egbert CWS AA SL 24 9.07 2.44 3.72 0.14 1.07 2.57 Jacob McGee TB A+ FSL 20 11.08 3.12 3.55 0.66 1.11 3.12 Chris Cody MIL A+ FSL 23 9.07 1.48 6.13 0.10 0.93 1.77 Kyle Ginley TOR A MDW 20 9.73 2.98 3.27 0.79 1.51 4.86 F. de los Santos CWS A SAL 21 11.00 3.34 3.29 0.49 0.88 2.55 Chris Jones BOS A SAL 23 9.29 2.59 3.59 0.77 1.43 4.98
But after another dominating performance (7IP 3H 0R 2BB 12K) yesterday, Jack Egbert makes the cut as well. I've taken the liberty of adding him to the list, and have asked Lederer for his thoughts on the late qualifier Egbert. But, maybe if we link to him, he'll be more likely to respond. ;)

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