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Konerko Deadline?

It looks like the Konerkometer may have a much shorter life span than I had envisioned. The Chicago Tribune quotes Kenny Williams on the Konerko negotiations.

"One way or another, we need closure by the [end of the] winter meetings," Sox general manager Kenny Williams said in reference to Dec. 8.
It's weird. I'm much more confident that the Sox are going to sign Konerko than I was just a couple of days ago. And I was pretty confident then. -- The relative inactivity of other clubs in regards to Konerko looks like it should work out in the White Sox favor.

Also from the same article was this quote that seems to indicate some disagreement in the White Sox front office about Joe Crede's health.

"There's one school of thought [Crede] will be OK and another we have to get some insurance," Williams said. "It's still early in the off-season."
Of course, I could just be reading too much into this, but this is probably the third or fourth article where I've seen the Sox linked to Bill Mueller.

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Where would he play?
Cheat, you're probably sick of seeing me talk about this by now, seeing as I've posted (this) on three separate boards.  But...

Where would Mueller play?  He wouldn't really come here to be an 'insurance' player in case Crede got hurt, would he?  That leaves first-base.  If you got Mueller, it probably means that Iguchi moves down in the order to 5th-6th.  But that also means you're losing a helluva lot of power from last year.  And really, the ONLY reason our offense didn't rank last in the league was because they hit 200 homers.

If they can't re-up with Konerko, who do they turn to?  I've brought up Garciaparra, because of his versatility (he can play 3B, SS, and I assume could handle 1B if he had time for a whole spring.  Plus, he could hit second and move Iguchi down in the order, like Ozzie wants), but does he have too much of an ego to move away from his natural SS position for good?  Plus, if you go with Nomar, you're putting the bulk of your offense on the shoulders of two guys who are on the wrong side of 30, and who combined for under 500 ABs last year.

by CWSKeith on Nov 26, 2005 1:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nomar
doesn't have much choice in the matter. Minnesota is the only place I can think of where he might have a SS job. His future is as a 3B/LF, and the sooner he comes to accept that, the sooner he latches on with a good team.

I'd love to have nomar, but he wouldn't come here as the 10th man. He's going to want a starting job somewhere, even though we could probably guarantee him 500 ABs (just spread out over 7 different defensive positions)

Mueller would be another option, though I think it would be tougher to guarantee him 500 ABs. He could back up at 3B, 2B, and 1B, plus play some DH.

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by The Cheat on Nov 26, 2005 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Give me Ross Gload
or give me death.
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by 3E8 on Nov 26, 2005 2:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hope you just mean as a backup
Don't get me wrong, I like Gload and he should be in the majors, I just don't want to consider him an option as a starter.

He has less power than I want from a corner infielder and has a pretty high rate of grounding into double plays.

The guy is a 30 year old career minor leaguer.

I'd like the depth at 1B to look like:

Konerko
Thome
Gload

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 26, 2005 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crede
Isn't the unhealthy crede the one who had a 1.000+ OPS in Sept and was nearly the World Series MVP?

I guess I don't understand the problem.

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by shaftr on Nov 26, 2005 3:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

3B?
Who is our backup at 3B?  I'd like some insurance there.
Comonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn You White Sox!

by zokmaad on Nov 26, 2005 10:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's easy...
...Widger!  And Dye backs up at short.  Ah, misty water-colored memories of the way the Sox were back in that glorious game in Oakland last April....  

by KenBrett34 on Nov 26, 2005 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

coughcoughHUFFcough
It'll happen

by Rays Fan In Illinois on Nov 26, 2005 6:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pablo Ozuna
Couldn't he back up 3B?  How about Willie Harris?

by jgelfand on Nov 27, 2005 3:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rowand and the groundball
In 2004, Rowand hit 46% groundballs and 35% flyballs.  Given the launching pad of Comiskey, this translated to 24 HRs.

In 2005, Rowand hit 52% groundballs and only put 28% in the air.  This was the lowest flyball rate in his career.  He only hit 13 HRs.

Does anyone recall hearing Rowand talk about a different approach at the plate, with regards to putting the ball on the ground more?  His strikeout and walk rates were about the same in 2004 and 2005, so the approach didn't differ there.  But I think some of power sap might have been due to more grounders.  Any thoughts?

by Tybor on Nov 27, 2005 9:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I remember
Is a Rowand comment from around the middle of the season, when asked about being moved all over the lineup.

He said something like "it doesn't matter where I hit, I'm NOT changing my approach or doing anything differently whether I hit 1st or sixth."

It struck me as incredibly stupid at the time, because I was thinking that a move to the #2 spot would help with his plate discipline.  But he wouldn't have changed, so what's the point?

Maybe someone else remembers that quote, or has a different perspective.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2005 8:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Konerko Speculation
Baseball Prospectus' Will Carroll made the following comment today:

"Is the Jim Thome deal a good one for the World Champs or a mega-bust? That remains to be seen, though I've heard some convincing arguments on both sides. What it means for the Sox now is that they're working hard to finish up what figures to be an important, but short off-season checklist. They'll likely part ways with Paul Konerko by the time the Winter Meetings close next week, opening the door to Frank Thomas' return at DH. Don't expect much more change, though the Sox will try and sign some better bench players once the market has shaken out.
So where does this leave Konerko? The White Sox offer isn't going to get it done, so the slugger will take his ring and head west. The Angels and Dodgers will compete for him, and the Red Sox could make a late run if they free up salary space with some other deals. The Angels want to be in on the Manny Ramirez sweepstakes and sources think that the Angels would be willing to take on more of his remaining contract than most teams will."

This is the most pessimistic speculation I've seen and, while it isn't sourced, my guess is that Carroll isn't just making it up.  I've seen no reporting anywhere of any serious Konerko negotiations with any team other than the Sox.  

The fact that Williams is essentially setting a deadline for Konerko is an interesting development.  I'm guessing Kenny is reading it this way: Konerko has no serious suitors right now.  Maybe the Angels or Red Sox will want to play but they have to settle the Manny Ramirez thing first and who knows how long that will last.  In his heart, Konerko wants to come back to the Sox, especially with Thome to watch his back.  So if the Sox make a take-it-or-leave-it offer at a legit number, Konerko will have a choice of taking the comfortable bird-in-the-hand or hoping that the cards fall right in gambling on the birds-in-the-bush.  Konerko's desire to stay in Chicago will tip the balance and he will sign with us.  If he doesn't, the Sox made a good faith effort, have a replacement already lined-up and can take the savings to find a replacement DH who may or may not be Thomas.  If I let Konerko drag this out into January and don't sign him, then I've got much less room to find the replacement bat I need.

Conversely, Konerko's agent will be saying: There is a lot of money out there and the supply is still limited.  The BJ Ryan contract is a symptom of this.  Hurrying into a commitment helps the team, because they want certainty, but it does not help the player looking to maximize his choices and income.  Even if the Sox really do walk away from their offer (and they may only be bluffing about that), come late December and January, there are still a number of teams that are going to have money to spend.  The Angels, Dodgers, Red Sox and even the Yankees are all good destinations for Paul and some, if not all of them, will be available to us after Williams' deadline expires.  Therefore, we reject the Sox offer and play the field.

Assuming I'm reading all this correctly, it comes down to Konerko's gut desire to stay here.  I think his agent is probably correct that he can maximize his money by waiting and letting teams drive up the bidding.  (It worked brilliantly for Ordonez last year.)  But I think Konerko would like to stay here if he thinks he's getting comparable value.  So, in early December, he's going to have to decide whether he wants to be comfortable and rich or less comfortable and more rich.  

FWIW, my guess is that Konerko is highly committed to and prepared for this process and that he will not respond to Williams' deadline by re-signing with us.  He'll end up signing a Vladimir Guerrero-type contract with somebody in January and Williams will have to figure out how much he believes in Frank Thomas.  Erubiel Durazo, anyone?

by Landfill on Nov 28, 2005 4:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Overbay
Could the deadline on Konerko also give Williams plenty of time to put together a deal for Overbay, Tracy or another solid 1b.
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by shaftr on Nov 28, 2005 5:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Williams' plan?
I think the deadline is just another piece in the Williams plan to drive away Konerko while not taking a major PR hit. Williams just doesn't sign overpaid free agents, and I think the only reason he's offering what he is, is because Konerko is unlikely to take it.

At this point, Thomas for a year or two at 1/4 the salary or so is just a much, much better risk.

by xian on Nov 28, 2005 9:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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