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Konerko rejects Orioles' offer; off-season about to get crazy expensive

[Baltimore Sun]

Chicago White Sox slugger Paul Konerko rejected the Orioles' latest contract offer, a five-year deal worth $65 million, a move that threatens to end the club's courtship of the free-agent first baseman.

The Orioles are believed to have made the most lucrative offer to Konerko, but seemingly remain a long shot in their quest to add his powerful bat to the middle of their order. They are awaiting a counterproposal from Craig Landis, agent of the 29-year-old first baseman, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. The $65 million deal is no longer on the table, the source said.

[...]

According to one industry source, the Orioles might be willing to go a little higher on their offer, but they are cautious of making another proposal because of the feeling that Konerko isn't interested in coming to Baltimore, even if the Orioles make the highest bid. It has been reported that Konerko would like to stay in Chicago or play for a team on the West Coast.

Things are happening quickly now. I envision Konerko signing with the Angels or us by the end of the week.

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Now the question is:
Was it rejected because:

a) Konerko wants more money.
b) Konerko is smart enough to stay away from Baltimore.

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by shaftr on Nov 29, 2005 10:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Magic 8 ball says
All signs point to yes.
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by The Cheat on Nov 29, 2005 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
He's probably gonna see what "fair market value" is, but I think he has no intention of signing with Baltimore.
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by The Cheat on Nov 29, 2005 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can tell you this...
...living out here in L.A., the papers are full of stories about the Anaheim lawsuit and Arte Moreno.  He's threatening to move the team if they don't let him use the L.A. moniker. Wondering just how a potential move will factor into Paulie's decision.

by solbro on Nov 29, 2005 10:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

paulie seems pretty intent
on being a character guy, so i doubt those kind of shenanigans will endear the angels to him.  as far as i remember arte moreno, who is unfortunately a tucsonan, made his money with clear channel.  i have no love lost for clear channel, so paulie's spurning the angels would make for a double whammy of good news.
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by spengler on Nov 29, 2005 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tucson?
Spengler, do you live in Tucson?

I wenet to Spring Training last year with some friends and plan on doing it again this year.

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by shaftr on Nov 29, 2005 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do indeed
live in Tucson.  Today it is 72 degrees, clear blue sky.  Sorry, didn't mean to gloat, but after suffering through the summer, I remember why we live here.
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by spengler on Nov 30, 2005 12:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cool
I'll be sure to do that.  
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

5/$60
Is that what the Sox are offering?

If so, I don't like it.  If it's the reported 4/$52, I'm much happier with that.

by CWSKeith on Nov 30, 2005 12:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
I wouldn't give Konerko more than 4 years.
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 12:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sox interested in Mike Myers...
Thoughts?

I'm not a huge fan of a guy who can only get LHB out, but if you're gonna get a LOOGY, it seems like Myers is the guy to get (so long as you don't overpay him).  

I'd also be a fan of trading Marte to a team for a prospect, but at this point, can't think of what I'd want in return.  Probably a SP or a MIF prospect.  Obviously, they wouldn't be able to get the Wood's or the Drew's of the world, but maybe a level before that?  Maybe?

by CWSKeith on Nov 30, 2005 12:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Marte
His value is low right now so I hold on to him and risk that he will rebound.

Instead, I move Hermanson & El Duque...Hermanson has a high value and El Duque might as well for his post season performance.  

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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 12:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Marte
How about Marte for Cedeno? I hear Jim Hendry wants to get another half-dozen or so relief pitchers...

by xian on Nov 30, 2005 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Hermy
What exactly would you be trading him for?  Prospects, or someone that could help the team in '06?

by CWSKeith on Nov 30, 2005 12:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

prospects
Once Hoffman is signed....the FA market will be dry with Wagner & Ryan gone.  I think this means Hermanson can go for a good price.
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 1:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put money...
On Konerko signing with Chicago by Friday.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 30, 2005 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

well
so it is done.  I learned in the postseason that anything Brentbrookhouse says about the White Sox will come true.
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I took one for the team...
And peeked you-know-where:

Hey everybody, reading all of the internet analysis of Paul Konerko possibly signing with the Angels might convince you that Paulie is a disaster waiting to befall someone:

*Arthritic hip? Check.
*Age 30 on Opening Day? Check.
*Good friends with the Field Manager? Check. (Baseball's claims toward meritocracy always fail when this surface is scratched)
*Would block a position at which the team is deep? Check.
*Is a shitty defender at that position? Check.
*More money per year than Vlad? Check.
*More years than Vlad? Check.
*Couldn't carry Vlad's jockstrap? Check.

Of course, Mike Scioscia's buffet buddy, radio Legend Joe McDonnell loves the thought of one of Mikey's Dodgerbuddies returning to the Non-Tommy Fold. Joe McDonnell would take a bullet for Mike Scioscia he is so mancrush in love with the Head Halo. But that don't make this right.

Analysis...
At his absolute best, Konerko would be Troy Glaus as a 1B with a bad glove. And making $6 million more per year than Troy is making now. And that is the BEST we could hope for, and it would not be likely to last more than a season and they are talking about five or six for a guy who struck out 109 times last season and grounded into 23 Double Plays.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 30, 2005 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ESPNNews is reporting
Konerko signed 5 yr deal with White Sox.
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 12:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Damn I'm good...
hahaha
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 30, 2005 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard 5 yr 65 million...I think
...and if that's true I really don't like it. It's just too much money from a mid-level payroll team to a player about to get old real fast.

I feel bad about criticizing Williams decisions yet again. But if he promises not to trade for Juan Pierre, maybe I'll forgive him.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 30, 2005 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good by me...
You have to realize that while it might be overpaying a little.  The Thome deal being a good thing (at least in my mind) hinged on Konerko being resigned.

I'm a happy boy right now.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 30, 2005 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
While it might be over-paying a bit, $12 million isn't ridiculous. Five years is probably a year longer than we would have liked but it's not like he's going to be 40 in that last year. At 35, he should still be a very productive player.

This definitely signals the end of the Frank Thomas era in Chicago. I, for one, want to thank Frank for all he's done here. I hope he finishes up his career somewhere not in our division.

by larry on Nov 30, 2005 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow
you know what this is
its a celebration, bitches

5 yrs/60 mil sounds like a lot, and it is...but if the market has Loiaza at 3yrs/21 mil, this might not be a bad move.  Lets not forget that 05 was Konerko's peak year, not a decline.

If Konerko repeats his performance and Thome rebounds....I like our chances in 06.

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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Paulie
I'm glad he's back- Not just for his bat. I think it is easy to overlook the intagibles that he brings to the team. Let's remember that the Whitesox didn't win because they had the best collection of players (ala Yanks), they won because they were the best TEAM (although they did have the best collection of pitchers in my mind).

Konerko did more for the team than swing a bat. He brought a lot to that club house. He'll do the same for five years, even if his production slumps a little.

Sox in 2006.

by UtahSoxFan on Nov 30, 2005 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm absolutely LOVING
The Thome deal!

We'll know more details later, but perhaps there are some "diminished skills" protections in there somewhere.  Knowing JR, it wouldn't surprise me.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 30, 2005 1:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

From the Trib...
"Signing Konerko will allow the Sox to complete their offseason mission, which includes landing a speedy No. 2 hitter to complement leadoff man Scott Podsednik."

Huh?  Iguchi is too slow?  I know Oz wants to bat him lower to "free" him from the sacs and takes, but isn't his OBP great for a #2?  And isn't that what you want in front of Kon and Tho?

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 30, 2005 1:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Juan Pierre on the horizon...
This is rampant speculation, but that sounds like a Chris Young&Marte for Pierre or Brian Anderson&Marte for Pierre trade on the horizon. Or maybe Crede&Marte for Pierre. I wouldn't like any of those, but since it hasn't happened yet, I'll refrain from complaining too much right now.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 30, 2005 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god
a deal like any of those would be awful.  Right now, the team is more or less set.  I still say we move Hermanson now for some prospects and come in with what we have now.  As of right now, everything is set.  Just some tuning up to do with the bench and things will be fine for 06.
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by shaftr on Nov 30, 2005 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pierre
They are not getting Pierre. If I were fielding a team that was playing for my right to live tomorrow, I would start Young NOW over Pierre.

by xian on Nov 30, 2005 6:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take it
This was the absolute Max that I would have given Paulie. I'm happy with this. Sure Paulie could be posting only .800 OPS by the end of this contract.

But right know this gives us a legit shot to repeat. I'm glad to see the Sox putting the extra revenue that the World Series win is giving them back into the payroll. It's gonna be afun summer!!

by bhoov on Nov 30, 2005 1:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tolerable
I'm ok with this but only just.  Most of the guys comparable to Konerko (Hrbek, Jason Thompson, Kluszewski, etc.) were useless by the time they were 35 and I don't see Pauley having the late career that guys like McGriff or Delgado have had.  In 2009-10, this is likely going to be a very bad contract that will probably kill our chances of competing.  But, with the Thome deal and the way our payroll explodes in 2007, 2006 is the best chance we have in the forseeable future anyway so we're paying a premium in the future to maximize our chances of hitting our window now.  That's defensible.  

FWIW, a few days ago I wrote "Assuming I'm reading all this correctly, it comes down to Konerko's gut desire to stay here.  I think his agent is probably correct that he can maximize his money by waiting and letting teams drive up the bidding.  (It worked brilliantly for Ordonez last year.)  But I think Konerko would like to stay here if he thinks he's getting comparable value.  So, in early December, he's going to have to decide whether he wants to be comfortable and rich or less comfortable and more rich."  If you read between the lines of the agent's comments in the ESPN story, he's pretty clearly saying that Konerko could have held out for more money but decided not to because he's happy here.  

Well, I hope it works out.  Pauley is one of our guys and I'll be happy to see him back.  Of course, I'll be happier if it turns out he holds value until he's 35.

by Landfill on Nov 30, 2005 1:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe doesn't mean much to most here...
From the ESPN article:

""Paul really did some soul-searching over the last couple of days," Landis went on. "And he started to realize that, if all else was equal, he wanted to be a member of the Chicago White Sox. He really likes it there. And just as important, he feels people like him there. He knows he has a lot of fans, and he respects that. He even talked about the fact that some kids there would be disappointed if he wasn't back there."

And the first thing a co-worker and I did (independently) upon hearing was call our kids.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Nov 30, 2005 2:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Total 06 payroll
Anyone know off-hand what we're up to?
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by spengler on Nov 30, 2005 2:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

78 Mil?
taking a stab in the Dark.
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Nov 30, 2005 3:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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