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Crede gets his $$$, now is he ready to breakout?

With today being the deadline to submit arbitration figures, baseball featured a flurry of signings in the last 24 hours. The White Sox are notorious for avoiding the arbitration process, so much so that I can't even remember the last player who they took to arbitration. Keith Foulke, maybe?

The Sox and Crede agreed on a 1-year deal worth $2.675M, which was just $125K more than I had predicted. That's a pretty good guess, if I do say so myself. The contract features incentives for plate appearances that can raise the value by an additional $200K.

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One theme that has caught on with my SB Nation colleagues is a list of breakout and collapse candidates. I think Lookout Landing was the first to run one, so Jeff deserves some credit for coming up with a good discussion topic.

I loosely put together a list of Sox breakout and collapse candidates, but I wanted to write something a little more in-depth about each palyer than just a paragraph.

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Crede clocked in at #2 on my tentative list of breakout candidates. That's not exactly going out on a limb. It would have been like picking Garland to be a breakout candidate last season -- Just pick the guy with years of perceived under achievement -- That's part of the reason Crede is so high, but there are obviously others.

Crede's 2005 BABIP was .253. The BABIP for all of baseball in 2005 was .299. There are factors, such as speed, that make a player's BABIP abnormally high or low, but in general, their BABIP should trend toward .300.

Crede's career BABIP over 1700+ ABs is just .266, which suggests that there is something about the balls he puts in play that makes them more easily turned into outs than the average player. Anyone who has watched Crede the last few seasons knows this intuitively. After all, weak pop-ups are very easy to field, and Crede hits more infield pop-ups than anyone else I've ever seen.

Part of Crede's low BABIP can also be explained away by USCF's small dimensions. The small outfield, and overall solid defense that has patrolled it, has helped USCF to allow the lowest BABIP (.289) in the American League the last three seasons. But Crede only plays half of his games at home, so this shouldn't be counted as a large factor in his low BABIP.

So if Crede has established that he has a lower than average BABIP, why is he a candidate for breakout? That's simple. His new swing. Crede's swing used to be long-and-loopy, where he often dropped his back shoulder far too much. This led directly to all those weak pop-ups.

The new swing, with his hands high and minimal leg kick, keeps his back shoulder from dipping and his back straighter at impact. His swing is more level, and he should make better contact. This means not only should the balls that he puts in play go for hits more often than before, but he should put more balls in play than before also. All of this should lead to a higher average, that would make his poor walk rate bearable.

Hopefully the new swing will lead to more consistency too. Crede had two terrible months (May and August) in 2005. And when I say terrible, I mean brutal -- He batted just .155 in May and .105 in August -- If Crede had raised those brutal months to just a Christian Guzman level of ineptitude, he would have easily surpassed an .800 OPS.

So how about a community projection for Crede?

Let's shoot for AVG/OBP/SLG, HR, RBI

[Crede's 2005 Splits]
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[Building a Champion: Joe Crede]
[Baseball Think Factory - Sox sign Crede]

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Crede's new swing
I might be wrong, but I remember that last spring training there was a lot of talk of Crede simplifying his swing to eliminate the problems you discuss above.  Given the way his season went, it either didn't work or he forgot about the changes.  While I hope he continues doing whatever he was doing in the post season, I'm a little pessimistic...

by jgelfand on Jan 17, 2006 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

Yep
There was talk of a new swing last off-season, but it sure looked the same.

There was a substantial difference in Crede's swing plane, however, when he returned from his last DL trip while suffering from the broken finger.

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by The Cheat on Jan 17, 2006 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

CRYSTAL BALL'd
Crede:  .270/.320/.480,  26 HR, 84 RBI
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by 3E8 on Jan 17, 2006 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

OK then.
.264/.312/.530, 18 HR, 79 RBI
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by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 17, 2006 5:40 PM CST reply actions  

comparisons
I think Crede and Blalock are going in opposite directions.  With that said, I think Crede's #s will look like Blalocks 04 #s.

.276/.355/.500

Due to park factors and lineup spots, I think his hrs/rbi totals will be less than Blalock's 04.  So, 28 hrs / 90 rbis

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by shaftr on Jan 17, 2006 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

if its really a breakout year then
.285/.325/.530 31 hrs 45 2bs 89 rbis

being conservative ;-)

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by zokmaad on Jan 17, 2006 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

Crede
.250/.390/.440 20 HR 68 RBI

by Tybor on Jan 17, 2006 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

BABIP for hitters
Remember too that when we examine the BABIP of hitters, it has much more variability than BABIP of pitchers.  

Also, for pitchers, we say that they are likely to regress toward the league-average hit rate.  But for hitters, it appears that they each have their own innate hit rate that they vary around year-by-year.  

Cheat, you hint at this with ballpark effects, speed, etc.  But if a hitter is under .300 for a few years, it may be that he just plain stinks.

Some research hinting at this by Dan Fox
http://danagonistes.blogspot.com/2005/03/dips-for-hitters.html

This is an interesting area of research if people want to dive into some neat sabermetrics.

by Tybor on Jan 17, 2006 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

In the post I was working on
about all of the breakout and collapse candidates, I said exactly this, even linking that exact post.

I have to admit that Crede's breakout candidacy has more to do with his continued under-achievement and new swing than the BABIP numbers.

I just can't shake how much better he looked, even when making outs, in those final 100+ ABs in of the regular and post season. -- The numbers (.336/.374/.682 10 HRs in 107 ABs) wouldn't be sustainable, but I think they give a window into what he's capable of should he play an entire season with the new swing.

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by The Cheat on Jan 17, 2006 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes
.250 AVG
.290 OBP

Thanks.  

Keep up the great writing.  This is one of the best White Sox sites on the web!

-Tybor

by Tybor on Jan 18, 2006 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Possible move to the #5 spot?
Just guessing here.

Knowing he's a bit injury prone...lets say 475 AB.

.275/.344/.495 26 HR 75 RBI

Should the miracle happen and he says healthy, that could be something like 32 HR and 95 RBI

by neuronix on Jan 18, 2006 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

My $0.02
.270/.330/.510, 28 HR, 71 RBI

by Ryno on Jan 18, 2006 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

Crede Prediction
.265/.315/.470, 24 hr, 75 rbi.

This is relatively optimitistic on health (assumes he plays ~150 games) but pretty cautious on improvement.  I'm guessing Crede gets a few more hits while his walk rate and power stay about even.  Basically the same player as he has been with a little better hit luck.  

I'd guess the downside is that his back problems become chronic, he struggles to swing through pain and puts up something awful like '04 but even worse and with fewer ab's: .220/.260/.350.  The upside is he actually demonstrates sustained improvement, stays healthy and has an age 28 career year: .280/.355/.500.  That's Scott Rolen-lite and would be a damn fine ballplayer to have.  Think of the quandry that kind of line would create for Williams next winter.  Crede would be a Boras-represented player who has two arbitration seasons left with a history of back issues coming off one very good season.  Do you sign that player to a four-year deal?  Would Boras let him?  It would be a nice problem to have.

by Landfill on Jan 18, 2006 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

It's Now or Never
.272/.330/.490,28HR,81RBI. Throw in 35 doubles for good measure.
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by WestSideSoxFan on Jan 18, 2006 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

I'd say...
.278/.330/.470 25HR 74RBI.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jan 18, 2006 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

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