White Sox 2007 Payroll (approximate and updated)

by The Cheat on Dec 7, 2006 3:38 PM CST in News Comment 14 comments

Pos Age Name 2007 2008 2009 2010 P 24 Aardsma, David Res2 Res3 OF 25 Anderson, Brian Res2 Res3 ARB1 ARB2 P 27 Buehrle, Mark $9.50 FA IF 28 Cintron, Alex $2.25** ARB3 P 34 Contreras, Jose $9.00 $10.00 $10.00 3B 28 Crede, Joe $6.25** ARB3 OF 32 Dye, Jermaine $7.00 P 24 Floyd, Gavin Res2? P 27 Garland, Jon $10.00 $12.00 1B 30 Gload, Ross $0.60 ARB2 ARB3 P 34 Hermanson, Dustin $0.50* 2B 32 Iguchi, Tadahito $3.25 P 25 Jenks, Bobby Res2 Res3 ARB1 ARB2 1B 30 Konerko, Paul $12.00 $12.00 $12.00 $12.00 P 30 MacDougal, Mike $1.50 $1.95 $2.65 $0.35 OF 30 Mackowiak, Rob $2.75 $.30* P 23 McCarthy, Brandon Res2 Res3 ARB1 ARB2 IF 32 Ozuna, Pablo $0.80 ARB1 ARB2 ARB3 C 30 Pierzynski, A.J. $5.50 $5.50 OF 30 Podsednik, Scott $2.90 ARB3 1B 36 Thome, Jim $14.00 $14.00 $3.00 P 30 Thornton, Matt $0.50 ARB1 ARB2 ARB3 SS 27 Uribe, Juan $4.15 $0.30 P 30 Vazquez, Javier $12.50 ARB* ============================================================= $107.15 $56.05 $27.65 $12.35 ============================================================= Cash (Vazquez) ($3.00) Cash (Thome) ($6.00) ($6.00) ============================================================= $98.15 $50.05 $27.65 $12.35 ** Estimated Arbitration Award

I'm missing a league minimum reliever and a backup catcher. If the Sox don't trade another starter, they'll enter the '07 season with a payroll right around $100M.

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depending upon where JR wants the payroll

it makes sense that KW was looking to trade another SP. I'd personally have preferred it wasn't Garland, but so be it.

Now I just wonder who they're looking to add to the team.

by wite on Dec 7, 2006 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think KW just wanted more young pitching

And that's why the deal for Garland was explored.

At this point, barring a trade for more young pitching, I think the only additions to the team will be a trade for a left-handed reliever and signing Sandy Alomar. Just my opinion of course...KW is the only that really knows what he's planning.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 7, 2006 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think there will be a lefty reliever

Wouldn't surprise me if Logan came north, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Gio Gonzalez in the pen by the end of the year.

by asinwreck on Dec 7, 2006 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My complements

The table you prepared on salary considerations for the next few years is absolutely excellent. You gotta believe that an analysis like this is at the centre of the Sox brain trust, especially given the upward contract volatility seen this past month.

Combine the table with the "Billy Beane" strategy that seems to make a lot of sense, and I think you have the direction that KW is and will be taking.

Now its just a matter of "who for who"...

Canada's finest

by MarkD on Dec 7, 2006 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind sending

Garland and Podsednik to the rangers for Arias, Hurley, Volquez and Masset

by beautox on Dec 7, 2006 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

dude, they'd laugh

3 good young pitchers and a pretty solid SS prospect for 2 years of mediocre to good pitching from Garland and a putrid all around game from Podsednik?

This is Jon Daniels were talking about. You're probably lucky to get Hurley and Masset for Garland and Podsednik.

...and I really don't see how that helps the 2007 team at all. The Sox aren't rebuilding.

by wite on Dec 7, 2006 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

first off

way never to respond about Loney not playing RF and only playing 1B exclusively; where were you on that one?

Secondly Volquez is looking like Floyd right now, he has been bouncing around alot. Hurley is a very nice prospect but let me reiterate prospect, Daniels has expressed interest in keeping Young in Texas for a long time, which would make Arais expendable. If one year of Garcia brought the sox a reclamation project and Gio on a down year i would expect Garland at two years below market value to bring in that and then some.

Juan Pierre last year brought the marlins 3 good pitching prospects one who might be their closer by opening day(nolasco), Scott Podsednik at 2.9mil and 4.5(possibly) for two years in this inflated market is a bargain, we as sox fans may not appreciate him, but that doesn't mean he isn't a "steal" in this current atmosphere.

The Rangers still need pitching and a lead off hitter, scott does suck on defense but i wouldn't put it past them or any team for that matter(rockies/padres) to think he could play CF.

by beautox on Dec 7, 2006 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sweet, bring up something from like 2 weeks ago

Perhaps the Dodgers have other plans for Loney. You stating that Loney wasn't playing RF in winterball pretty much ended any debate. However, it atleast made more sense than them trading Furcal and two other prospects for Dye in the last year of his deal, or whatever the hell it was.

Anyways, Volquez isn't quite Floyd. Volquez has actually put up some pretty solid years the past couple years, including very solid peripherals between A+ and AA last year (somewhere around K/BB of 4, K/9 of 9, 1.20 WHIP and an ERA around 4.15 in about 125 IP), and he had a pretty solid year in AAA this past year(3.21 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP with a K/9 >9, and a very good hit rate). However, he struggled with command and walked >4.5 per 9. He's been bad in the majors, but he has shown ability in the minors. Floyd on the other hand, was horrendous in 2005, though this past year, he was solid but not spectacular in AAA (probably comparable to Volquez overall statistically). However, I really don't think the Rangers have soured on Volquez like the Phillies had on Floyd ; that was one of the biggest factors in why they were so willing to deal him.

Gio Gonzalez is in the second tier of SP prospects in the minors right now - probably a 2-3 starter at the MLB level. Hurley's got potential to be an ace. How do their values compare equally?

What's Daniels going to say regarding Young, that he wants him to get the hell out of town? And regardless, just because said player is blocked doesn't mean Arias can't move to a different position, or that he doesn't have other value in a different trade. He's talented as hell, and space will be created for him, or he'll be sent as part of a package for a starter that's proven to be better than Garland.

Also, is Masset just thrown in? What, does Texas hate him or something?

Regarding the Cubs...they're idiots first of all. Secondly, Juan Pierre's a leadoff hitter that was traded in a completely different trade market. There's no valid comparison in that regard.

Horacio Ramirez netted a lights out reliever, and he's only slightly worse than Garland...and that was considered a steal. What you are suggesting is a grand larceny.

They need pitching, surely, but already have Padilla and Millwood, and have money to throw around at free agents. It was just last year that a Boras represented starting pitcher landed in Texas, and with a 9 digit offer reportedly on the table (as well as it also reportedly neving being on the table), I could see Zito back with the Rangers next year. And regardless of that, with their collection of pitching - including Loe, Tejada, Volquez, Rheinecker, Koronka - I doubt they are going to give up such a package to bring in a mediocre leadoff hitter and a league average starter. This is Jon Daniels we're talking about here, not Jim Hendry.

by wite on Dec 7, 2006 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Arias

I think Jon Daniels reads SSS

It may become inevitable that if shortstop Joaquin Arias is going to make the big leagues with the Rangers, he will have to learn to play another position.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/120806dnsporanglede.32483ad.html

by wite on Dec 8, 2006 3:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

freddy

after thinking it more it seems there wasn't more kenny could've hauled in for freddy AT THIS TIME

but I can't understand why didn't he wait more
I don't see how the market could've gotten worse if he had waited 2-4 or more weeks

he may very well have ended up getting more
what do you think?

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by The Wizard on Dec 7, 2006 6:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Room to Maneuver

Great chart, but I'm confused:

Sox can NOT go backwards. Cubs are being very aggressive, and if Sox slip attendance will tank again. They need to keep seats filled, so they can't back up the truck.
But if they were serious about trading Garland then they must think the poor pitching last year wasn't a fluke and they need to rebuild the staff.

My guess is KW is just posturing, trying to get extensions locked up and avoiding FA bidding war with their own pitchers. If you remember last year, rumors had both Contreras and Garland leaving town before they signed. As the chart shows, they certainly have plenty of room in budget to lock up long term deals. With MLB revenue growth $120mm or so is reasonable for Sox next year. High stakes poker.

by ChicagoPete on Dec 7, 2006 6:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

FA Left Fielder

I know that Kenny has already signed pods up for another year, but why wasn't Jay Payton ever mentioned as a LF candidate. He's solid with the glove, from what I've seen, and I don't recall him being that bad with the bat either.

Am I missing something about him?

GO SOX!

by rhythm on Dec 7, 2006 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

A couple issues

His lifetime OBP is the same as Podsednik's last year. He had a lower OBP than Pods despite hitting 30 points higher, and hasn't had an above-average season since playing in Colorado.
He kinda quit on the Red Sox when he wasn't getting enough playing time.

He's a good fourth outfielder, but I don't see him being worth a significant investment.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 7, 2006 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs