Sox still stalking young pitching; Front office doing damage control
Anything exciting happen today?
Depending on who you believe, Jon Garland was a Houston Astro today if not for a poor medical report. Officially, the Sox say they weren't close to a deal, but most sources seem to indicate otherwise.
As of this hour, there is no deal, but the Sox will revisit the trade if Houston is ready to part with Jason Hirsh. Keep a watchful eye on Andy Pettitte, as he may be the proverbial first domino in this deal. Reportedly, the Yankees are offering $15-17M for '07 with a guaranteed second year, while the Astros have only offered him a 1-year $12M deal. If Pettitte gets that NY kind of feeling, the first thing Tim Purpura will do is speed dial Kenny.
One day after decrying that the White Sox were arrogant to think they could disassemble their WORLD SERIES ROTATION, Phil Rogers got back on his high horse and spouted this gem as a reason against dealing Garland.
Add Rick Morrissey to the growing horde of Tribune writers ostensibly calling the Sox cheap. Would you expect anything different from the Trib, owners of the crosstown team that's doled out over $200M in contracts to mostly mediocre talent this off season?
Because of columns like above, talk radio hosts using words like "white flag," and message board posters threatening to rip up their season tickets, Kenny and Jerry have gone on the offensive through MLB.com.
I don't really feel like the offensive is necessary. The fans that equate names with wins will always hold players from the 2005 World Series if far too high of regard. Kenny and Jerry shouldn't have to explain why they are making moves to make the Sox more competitive over the long haul.Over the years, one of the things I often get accused of as I run this blog is that I sometimes act like I know how to run the club better than those in charge. I think the fact that I don't feel an explanation is necessary at present says all you need to know about the direction the Sox are headed.
Garland was a popular commodity at the Winter Meetings, drawing interest from a number of clubs. Because he has two years left on his contract, the Sox are looking to get more in return in any proposed trade. According to the Baltimore Sun, the Orioles were interested in Garland, but balked when they asked for both the fireballing Daniel Cabrera and AA lefty Garrett Olson in return.
In the proposed Astros deal, I feel it's my duty to plead for Kenny to forget about Taveras. His skills, like Podsednik's, aren't worth giving up talent to obtain. Though Taveras is a better overall player than Pods thanks to his ability to play CF and throw the ball farther than 100 feet on the fly.
If the reports are true, and you're uneasy with Bucholtz' medical history, drop him from the trade along with Taveras. Ask for Corky instead. He's under control for 4 more years, hits left-handed pitching, can play multiple positions, and appears (to me, at least) to be primed for a breakout season at the plate. Hirsh and Corky would be quite a haul for Garland and the Sox.
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Re: Buchholz
by Sox Machine on Dec 8, 2006 12:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My hope is he's not
Cabrera and the AA lefty is better return than the originally proposed deal. I would say my Burke/Hirsh proposal is pretty similar in terms of value.
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I made Keith angry yesterday...
As much as Taveras is just not good, the fact that he can play CF would actually be a significant boost to the offense if a competent LF bat could be brought in.
Anyway, I like Burke and Hirsh a even more. It would be great if that actually happened.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2006 12:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, I agree 100%, especailly about Burke...
Get it done Kenny.
by Tony82087 on Dec 8, 2006 12:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Houston won't do it as proposed
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One bench player must go.
Given the current roster configuration, one backup IF has to be moved anyway. To me, Mack or Gload would be the obvious choice, as both are leftys that can't play the OF real well (although I thought Mack was OK out of CF, it sounds like the Sox are taking his OF glove away from him). I'd like to keep Cintron, as there's no real backup in the system if a middle infielder goes down.
I assume that Houston would prefer Mack, and I'd rather keep Gload anyway since he's cheaper and can hit.
And if Burke or Tavares comes back to the Sox, I'd be happy to throw in Pods as well.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2006 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
I was looking of at the Astros main site, and while it's not that updated, looking at the depth chart for the 'Stros, the OF depth is pretty weak. With Mack out at CF for the Sox this year, I don't see him getting many AB's, yet he is still a valuable player in the league.
The money saved on both Garcia and Garland could be sent over to Houston( I dont even think I need to clarify I dont mean all of it, thats obviously not the case, maybe a couple mil) for Hirsh and Burke
Garland-Cash-Mack-Hirsh and Burke.
We get another McCarthy(probably a little better than Mac) and a guy that is young, and could become invaluable to the club in terms of flexibility.
by Tony82087 on Dec 8, 2006 12:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Garland for Hirsh + Burke...
by SSH2005 on Dec 8, 2006 7:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Count me in
by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2006 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
On another subject,
Wow.
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugly, did you ever end up hooking up with
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunate news
by the way, he is a distant cousin of juan.
by larry on Dec 8, 2006 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in this market, he had been in talks to
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lawyer cold, man
No hook-up - didn't even try, as I was jammed at work (no TRO's!) and heard it was the veritable zoo, as the lobby was jammed after 1 AM.
Weak, I know.
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate the player...hate the game!
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When all of the columnists...
by DeeDubs24 on Dec 8, 2006 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's sort of funny
by larry on Dec 8, 2006 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
what is the point of a patently false statement like that? the sox were 15th in baseball, 8th in the AL, and 4th in their own division in starter ERA last year. they're replacing a starter with a 4.53 ERA with a pitcher who's era as a starter last year was 3.86 (4.68 overall). And yet, according to Morrissey, "the rush to get 23-year-old Brandon McCarthy into the rotation borders on the bizarre. He has shown flashes of talent but just that--flashes. Oh, wait. It's not so bizarre. McCarthy comes cheap."
yeah, i can't believe how stupid it is to replace an older starter who appears to be losing effectiveness with a younger, cheaper guy who will likely provide similar production and has the potential to be better.
i know it's seemingly the job of sports columnists to be incendiary, but can't they at least try to stick to some shred of fact or logic? the byline on that one should have been rick mariotti.
by Ryno on Dec 8, 2006 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect facts
by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2006 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garland to the Astros may still be alive...
The belief that the White Sox got cold feet because of concerns over Taylor Buchholz's health seems to be widespread. Buchholz, though, says there's nothing wrong with him, and if the White Sox still don't want him, it looks like the Astros like Garland enough that they'll consider working around it, perhaps by offering Fernando Nieve or Matt Albers instead.
Source: Houston Chronicle
Hirsh, Nieve, and Taveras for Garland? DO IT KENNY, DO IT NOW!!!
by SSH2005 on Dec 8, 2006 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He only gave up 6 dingers in his last 21 starts...
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
slice and dice
weren't your seats out in left? a few of those deep balls to left in the cell are home runs down there.
by larry on Dec 8, 2006 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that's true...but overall, isn't
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just find it interesting
by larry on Dec 8, 2006 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Hirsh be included?
I doubt Nieve would be sent with Hirsh because those are the 2 top pitching prospects in the Astros organization.
Anyway, I wouldn't ming seeing Garland dealt for someone like Hirsh. He could be the 5th starter next season and hopefully wouldn't be terrible.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2006 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone
You gotta think it's the former, but I still wish the Buchholz + Taveras stories would die.
by jackie hayes on Dec 8, 2006 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention
Mirabelli will end up back with the Red Sox, so the Sox should have their pick of leftovers. Hall/Molina etc.
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who can catch Charlie Knucks
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else
by larry on Dec 8, 2006 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not serious
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got the Josh part right
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some backup catcher love...
The club has serious concerns about Torrealba's ability to catch after he missed so much time last season with shoulder troubles. It's possible the Rockies will drop Torrealba and sign Rod Barajas to replace him, though that's not an upgrade if Torrealba is healthy.
Source: Denver Post
It's starting to look like Kenny knew what he was doing when he waited on a backup catcher.
by SSH2005 on Dec 8, 2006 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I'd like Taveras at all
If the Sox can then keep Anderson on the bench, it starts to look like an even better move.
by wite on Dec 8, 2006 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why trade garland? is there any upside?
garland is 27, in '05 he posted a 3.5 era, in '06 his era jumped to 4.5 due to his bad start
I'm very confident he can post a 3.5 in '07
now cabrera is only 2 years younger, olson 4,
hirsh 3, buchholz 2 years
but whereas garland is more of a sure thing these guys aren't,
kenny said out of 3 prospects usually the 2 don't become what you want
let's say 1 in 2 for this argument
(is the reality different?)
so why risk it? because hirsh can become a 3.5 guy?
you already have a 3.5 guy!!!
what, buchholz? he posted a 6-minus era in the NL
I see him posting a 6-7 era in the AL
what taveras? aren't mack and pods enough to get him?
now, if you are going to trade garland
if the yankee$ can get 3 pitchers (one kinda like a health hirsh) for 2 years of a 38 year banged-up bat, kenny should ask for a hell of a lot more
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER
by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2006 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
furthermore
who we are? the pirates?
can someone explain this to me?
I don't understand it...
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER
by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2006 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit believing everything you read in the paper
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I do that sometimes
the 2 guys I don't wanna see gone are b-mac and garland
buehrle will re-join the list if he doesn't do '06 again
and from a 'sox guys' perspective: crede and AJ
JIM THOME
THE PEORIA POUNDER
by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2006 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wiz, it's Friday
To what do we owe this faith? How about the FIRST CHICAGO WORLD SERIES TITLE IN 88 YEARS! If freaking Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden can keep their gigs on a lifetime of goodwork, let's give KW a little slack for 6 years of good (if imperfect) stewardship. The Scrubs and, truth be told, everyone else, are spending $ like drunken sailors and having heart attacks (almost) during the process. And we still own more titles than they.
I don't want to go down that path. Perspective, my man.
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you guys want a good laugh
I always sound like I just smoked a bowl and am in need of some Doritos. That's normal.
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have you just smoked a bowl?
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's normal.
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Damn! I have to go throw up now.
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it only fitting to sound like that
by Toonderstrook on Dec 8, 2006 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he related to The Donger?
by winningugly on Dec 8, 2006 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olney
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kenny can almost name his price for Garland now...
by SSH2005 on Dec 8, 2006 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to be slightly concerned...
by DeeDubs24 on Dec 8, 2006 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McDougal avoids arb, signs 3-year deal
I'll make a post when things become more official.
by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2006 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good news for those wanting to trade Garland...
The Houston Chronicle says it's a $16 million contract with a player option for 2008. The Astros seemed to know this was coming when they attempted to trade for Jon Garland. According to the Chronicle, they did add $2 million to their one-year, $12 million offer, an especially preposterous figure given that Garland is due $22 million over two years. The Yankees aren't exactly getting an ace here -- in his final six seasons in New York, the only year in which he had an ERA under 3.99 was one in which he was limited to 22 starts -- but Pettitte is a better bet than Ted Lilly and Gil Meche, even before accounting for the fact that he didn't require a long-term commitment. The club may now seek to dump as much of Carl Pavano's contract as possible. Also, it seems quite likely that Scott Proctor will remain in the pen.
It seems way too early to suggest such a thing. Still, Justice is likely right that Clemens is less likely to rejoin the Astros with his good friend Pettitte gone. If the Red Sox fail to sign Daisuke Matsuzaka, it's a safe bet that they'll make a big-time run at Clemens, and it's believed they'd be more willing than the Yankees to let him show up only when he's pitching. However, having Pettitte in New York will also help the Yankees' case should they go after him. Of course, Clemens still hasn't decided whether he's pitching and seems unlikely to make an announcement anytime soon.
Source: Houston Chronicle
by SSH2005 on Dec 8, 2006 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clemens
by Tdogg on Dec 8, 2006 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A reasonable sportswriter!
by Ryno on Dec 8, 2006 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The guy
by cfisk72 on Dec 8, 2006 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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