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I stopped by Baseball Analysts to take part in their AL Central Two-on-Two. It's not posted at present, but it should be at the top of the main page by the time most of you read this. Update [2006-2-24 15:43:41 by The Cheat]: It's up.

  • Minnie Minoso will find out if he is elected to the Hall of Fame on Monday. -- He doesn't have the stats to make him a sure-fire inductee, but he missed part of his prime because of his race. I'm probably not the best person to discuss his Hall of Fame credentials, since I never saw him play a game. I'm sure some of you have a better handle on his candidacy than do I.
  • USA Today has a feature on Ozzie Guillen. I'm linking to it only because I liked the anecdote about Widger and the pitch count clicker. Other than that, there wasn't anything that we haven't already read.
  • Reading between the lines of this Paul Konerko quote regarding Jim Thome's presense, you'd almost think he didn't like Frank Thomas. Almost.
    "I never got a chance to ask those questions [before]," Konerko said. "I've never really had a guy that I could look up to on my team that you know I could gain a lot of knowledge hitting-wise.

    "We have a great coaching staff, hitting-wise, with Greg Walker and Harold Baines. There are a lot of guys who have been great hitters and been in big games. But there aren't too many hitters I've been around who have been older and who I've seen eye-to-eye with."

  • Speaking of Frank, guess who is still injured.
  • Jerry Owens seems a bit aloof about his decision to leave winter ball early. Ozzie says they're not going to hold it against him, but I'd say the odds just got better that he'll start the year in Charlotte.
  • Joe Borchard was one of the last players to report to camp yesterday. -- I don't know if he's really got his head in the right place. Between exploring his options in the CFL and doing only the least of what's asked of him, he seems to be writing his own ticket out of town.
  • Teddy Greenstein, who yesterday was skewering Baseball Prospectus' Will Carroll, notes the large number of baseball programs on Chicago radio. He also noted that Eric Collins will be calling a Negro League tribute game on ESPN this weekend. -- I've had the pleasure of having a few beers with Collins on a couple of occasions. He's a really nice guy who really does know his sports. Now if he could just get me Erin Andrew's phone number...
  • In the world of online baseball radio, Soxcast is a new White Sox Podcast. I don't really listen to any podcasts, so I don't have much to compare it to. I can say that it's better than listening to Mike North, which isn't much of an endorsement, but it's not an indictment either. Give it a listen and decide for yourself, jabroni.

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Minosa
Holds the distinction of playing in 5 eras - 40s,50s,60,70s and 80s. An huge favorate of Bill Veek. Broke in at late age of 26. I didn't see any stats on his minor league career. But there is this writeup that gives some clues how good he was before he broke in.

Bats R, Throws R
Height 5' 10", Weight 175 lb.
Major League Debut: April 19, 1949
Born November 29, 1922 in Havana, Cuba

Orestes "Minnie" Minoso, a veteran of the Negro Leagues' New York Cubans, where his leadoff spot in the batting order aided the Cubans as they captured the Negro National League pennant and won World Series from the Negro American League's Cleveland Buckeyes. He was the starting third baseman in both the 1947 and 1948 East-West All-Star games before entering the major leagues with the Cleveland Indians in 1949.

Minoso had a sensational rookie year, batting .326 with 173 hits while leading the league in triples and stolen bases. In a questionable decision, sportswriters gave the Rookie of the Year Award to the Yankees' statistically inferior Gil McDougald. A speedy outfielder, Minoso led the American League in steals three consecutive years. For his career, Minoso batted .298 with 1,962 hits.

And there is this - Monday's election represents the first time that Hall of Fame voters will consider the entire scope of Minoso's baseball career, which also includes playing time in Cuba and Mexico.

So does he deserve to be in the Hall? Maybe he does. He's definatly an all timer in the Sox pantheon.

And I did see him play a couple of times.

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by zokmaad on Feb 24, 2006 9:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Paulie's comments
Thomas never cared about anyone but himself, so it is understandable that Paulie would say that.  

Thome is already impacting the team in a positive way by mentoring some of the younger players on their hitting.

Besides Paulie, Crede said this in reference to Thome: "He's not only a great hitter, an accomplished hitter, but he's also a guy who knows the game. I've learned a lot just from the past [few] days hitting with him on the field."

I hope Thome and Paulie can rub off on Anderson and some of the other younger hitters.

by RME JICO on Feb 25, 2006 6:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there was a colective sigh
of relief (albeit unspoken) when Thomas moved on. It was probably best for everyone. Remember how Ozzie gave him that tongue lashing when he came off the DL?

I think they should still keep this from being a topic of discussion though. Paulie's comments seem to reflect that. SSS comments (so far)do as well.

 

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by zokmaad on Feb 25, 2006 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that...
Thomas never cared about anyone but himself, so it is understandable that Paulie would say that.

Sorry, not buying it.  

Besides Paulie, Crede said this in reference to Thome: "He's not only a great hitter, an accomplished hitter, but he's also a guy who knows the game. I've learned a lot just from the past [few] days hitting with him on the field."

What do you expect him to say?

"Uh, yeah, Thome is just a big hillbilly idiot.  He's so stupid."

That's not to say Thome is a bad guy or anything, but I think you're reading too much into one friggin' quote.

by CWSKeith on Feb 25, 2006 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a bit negative
you know, despite frank's alleged poor influence on youngsters and team chemistry, we did actually win the world series in 2005.

i personally think we should, at the start of the first post-frank season in a long, long time just step back, appreciate he gave some of the best seasons in the history of baseball to this club, and wish him well.

by goldstone97 on Feb 25, 2006 9:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The first thing I did the day single tickets...
...went on sale was to buy tickets for the Monday, May 22 game against Oakland.  I hope Frank's ankle is up for at least one at-bat -- I really want the opportunity to show him how admired and appreciated he was.

by KenBrett34 on Feb 26, 2006 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OT photo/stadium/attendance ramble
funny to see the catalinas in the background of the photo.  i look at those mountains every day.  

i think of them as beautiful and sharp, but that picture looks pretty damn hazy and smoggy.  this town is growing faster than it can handle.  almost 1 million people in this valley, roughly 200,000 of whom moved here after I did in '91.  if you need a job in construction, this is your town.

what is the air quality like in CHicago these days?  I read with interest a string a couple of weeks ago about Chicago real estate and the resurgence of areas close to the Cell. Is that for real, or just  an upturn in a wave of ups and downs?

Tucson has struggled for years with the revitalization of its once vibrant downtown.  It always seems promising but never really gets off the ground.  Take for example, the baseball stadium and sring training complex, which should have been built on a vast tract of vacant land just west of downtown- every sane person in town demanded it.  For political reasons, though, it ended up in an area (read: supervisorial district) that is, shall we say, not particularly conducive to attendance, especially during the AAA season.

I see first hand how the location of Tucson Electric Park absolutely kills attendance for the Sidewinders.  Unless you'd like to spend some time in the Juvenile Detention Center or in the loony bin at Kino Hospital, there ain't shit to do down there other than park your car in a large parking lot and watch AAA baseball.  No bars, stores, restaurants, etc, ad nauseam.

Knowing that attendance is a fickle beast, and that the Flubs obviously benefit from Wrigleyville and all that smarmy bullshit they (usually) substitute for having a good baseball team, what can you guys tell me about the southside of Chicago's potential to be a little bit more, shall we say, nurturing to the baseball experience at the Cell?  I mean this in terms of things to do, see, eat, drink, be at, park near, or otherwise enjoy near the stadium.

This is a factor that affects the team's bottom line, hence its ability to compete, and one that I can't judge at all.  I'm guessing the Sox aren't going to win the series every year for the next 88 years and will need more than KW's aggressive attitude to compete longterm.

AIM: ozspengler

by spengler on Feb 25, 2006 9:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Pic from last year
Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.usThe air quality looks fine there...

As for the area around Comiskey... It's some of the hottest real estate in the city. But I think it will remain mostly residential. And any change that does occur will be slow to come.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 25, 2006 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 things
A) Agreed about Tucson and the location of the park.  I went there and couldn't find anything to do in that area.  I didn't know the city well enough to find anywhere else.

B)  Around the Cell, my friend has a signing date in a few weeks for the Condos that are going up.  He was #1 on the list for over a year.

AIM: shaftr01

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by shaftr on Feb 25, 2006 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right now the air quality is
cold. You like cold air? We got some. Last weekend we had more than enough for everyone and then some. I was downtown coming back from the auto show. It was cold and on days like that the downtown just sparkles. It was beautiful.

I live on the north side in Rogers Park. I know there are things to do around the Cell - I'm told so. Its a little more hidden though. Its just like a lot of the city neighborhoods. Nothing even slightly pretentious about it. Nothing sticks out. Its not like Wrigleyville at all.

Don't get me wrong you south siders. I'm not running it down. That's the view from where I see it.

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by zokmaad on Feb 25, 2006 8:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

minnie
minoso also held the al record for at least one year in the 50s for being hit by pitch. he crowded the plate, ran into walls...
i don't know if his stats warrant admission, either, but if sheer entertainment value counts, he deserves it. he sure looked like he was having fun, and god knows he was fun to watch.

by mellowjohn on Feb 25, 2006 10:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
1. Apparently losing Everett for Thome is a defensive sacrifice. 2. It's ridiculously annoying how every stat head predicts we can't match last year because can't win as many 1 run games. 3. We are just going to prove all stat heads wrong again...just like last year
WEE WILLIE

by WHarris1 on Feb 25, 2006 11:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If the Hall snubs Minoso, they won't be the first
I gotta say, it broke my heart to read about Minnie being snubbed at the Sox WS celebration.  Here's the story from the Trib's Fred Mitchell:

On a night when Major League Baseball announced its all-time Latino Legends team, longtime White Sox star Minnie Minoso was denied admittance to the team’s locker room Wednesday to join in the World Series celebration at Minute Maid Park.

“They won’t let me in; they say they don’t know who I am,” an exasperated Minoso told this reporter as credentialed media, players’ wives, children and various peripheral members of the White Sox organization and MLB paraded in and around the champagne-soaked clubhouse.

Minoso, 82, a Cuban-born star who spent 12 of his 17 major-league seasons with the White Sox, has a statue of his likeness at U.S. Cellular Field. Earlier this year, the statue inadvertently was damaged by a fan. Wednesday night, Minoso went searching frantically for White Sox authorities to help him gain admittance to the clubhouse or the area just outside the locker room, but he was not made to feel like a celebrity by MLB security.

by IceColdFalstaff on Feb 25, 2006 1:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Minnie
is being evaluated as a former Negro Leaguer by a Negro League committee of 12 members. He needs to be named by 9 of them to get in. Interestingly enough he is the the first Cuban and I believe it said he was the first Latino in the major leagues.
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by zokmaad on Feb 25, 2006 8:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Minnie Minoso
Probably the greatest White Sox player between Appling and Thomas -- and he missed the prime of his career due to the color bar.  His numbers don't look overwhelming, but in the context of '50s baseball, and playing in pitcher's parks (old Comiskey and Cleveland Municipal) they are tremendous.  With his speed and power, he brought the kind of excitement to the game that very few have ever matched.

by Nix on Feb 27, 2006 11:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

probably not
greater than Carlton Fisk. Something about the phrase 'Greatest' always sets me on a web dig.

BTW - do you mean that as in 1930-2006 and for position players only?

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by zokmaad on Feb 27, 2006 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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