White Sox sign Linebrink, release Cintron / Podsednik, add seven scouts
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- The Linebrink signing seems so much better now: "He also has a no-trade provision." For pitchers not named Mark Buehrle, the Sox are happy to give contracts larger than 3 years with no-trade clauses.
- Omar wants pitching. Beane's prices went up. Can Kenny grab Lastings somehow?
- Bad News: Boston wanted 3 prospects for Coco Crisp. Good News: the White Sox may be interested in The Great Fuku. Speaking of The Great Fuku, BTB takes a look.
- Vote Raines says Tango. Another vote by BP's Jay Jaffe.
- Jim examines the Podsdenik Paradox.
- BP looks at the Orlando Cabrera trade and Kenny's other moves.
- BA previews the upcoming Rule V draft.
- Nate Silver asks Is Baserunning A Skill?
- FJM talks Torii.
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Huge deal about to go down?
In addition to Garza, the Twins would send Tampa Bay shortstop Jason Bartlett and reliever Juan Rincon for Young, shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie. Pridie was with the Twins during spring training of 2006 as a Rule 5 pick.
So basically it would be Garza, Rincon and Bartlett for Young, Harris and Pridie? Damn. I don't know what to think quite yet. Harris gives away a lot of his offense on defense IF he's kept at shortstop, and losing Rincon is going to hurt them. That strikes me as pretty fair for both teams, although I'm just taking a minor glance and I know nothing about Pridie.
by CWSKeith on Nov 28, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Garza...
I haven't follow him very close, hence the 'I don't think'
by The Wizard on Nov 28, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The step down
Remove the SS from the deal, and I think the Twins win. Add the SS, and all I get is a big ? over my head.
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right...
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twins
by indianguy30 on Nov 28, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they should have appreciated
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young can't play
by bhoov on Nov 28, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How'd he do last year?
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by bhoov on Nov 28, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially now that he followed
So much for a snowball's chance at Crawford - not that we had one anyway.
I'm going home and take Toonder's advice - wine, wine, wine.
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Casilla
by bhoov on Nov 28, 2007 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so...
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ack
I think it is an interesting deal - Twinks replacing Hunter very, very well.
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Young and Harris
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris sucks defensively
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They...need....URIBE!
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that's sarcasm...
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is tubesox around?
by mjthor on Nov 28, 2007 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's still around
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
note the plural
I'm good for a couple Jamesons.
by Hazymania on Nov 29, 2007 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, think what the Twins can reap when they trade
by White Sox Randy on Nov 28, 2007 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else feel like
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Which trade do you refer to...
I must say, any day when Pods and Cintron get waived is a good day indeed.
Even if Pods did give me a wave and a fist pump at a Charlotte Knights game.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See SSH's comment below
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
Sigh...
Last year the Tigers and Indians reloaded. This year the Twins are reloading. The Royals are somewhat busy too...
Kenny had better stay by that danged phone. I want a deal done for an outfielder by the end of the week!
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins just rebuilt 2/3'rds of their outfield..
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, what....
by dantesox on Nov 28, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In a heartbeat
by BoKnows on Nov 28, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That
by dantesox on Nov 28, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
Baseball America ranked Young as the #3 prospect (behind Dice-K and Alex Gordon) in '07, #1 overall in '06, and #3 (behind Mauer and Hernandez) in '05. This guy could be a superstar, whereas Gio might become a nice #2, fringe #1 starter.
by BoKnows on Nov 28, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if
as for why, if you want to trade gio, i'm sure it could be done.
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think i would have.
by colintj on Nov 28, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garza almost pitched a perfect game last year
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
N/M
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure garza has proven himself
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld seems to like the Linebrink signing...
Anyone expressing surprise over the kind of money Linebrink received just hasn't been paying attention. Danys Baez got a three-year, $19 million contract last year and wasn't any better of a bet. Linebrink has declined the last two years, but he's remained healthy and he still turns in scoreless innings most of the time. Even though he'll give up a bunch of homers at U.S. Cellular Field, he'll be a solid enough setup man for Bobby Jenks, at least through the first half of the deal.
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is probably the best case scenario
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"A bunch of homers"
Why is anyone griping? Sounds postively wonderful.
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only two things...
I think chances are very low that Linebrink is still an effective pitcher in 2010, which is about the time that they'll really need an effective relief pitcher.
Adding another reliever right now doesn't really do much, other than possibly spare us the sight of Dewon Day or Nick Masset for a while.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 28, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 28, 2007 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some news from Larry's second team...
Two rough years have taken a heavy toll on Bankston's status as a prospect, but he showed the ability to hit for average and power until a misguided position switch and injuries resulted in a lost 2006. He'll be well worth having stashed away in Triple-A.
Also, it looks like the Royals finalized their 2-year contract with a 2010 option for Yasuhiko Yabuta.
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another interesting article on
Of course, it won't matter to us as long as our roster is full.
by BustedFlush on Nov 28, 2007 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice to see chris stewart worked out
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing the
by bhoov on Nov 28, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Barton's better than a few players currently on the Sox roster, though I don't imagine he'd make it to the Sox to pick up.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 28, 2007 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curse that strong finish!
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
could always get someone to pick him for us
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We replaced the useless backup IFer
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$5
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the relevance
by ballyb on Nov 28, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they need the spots on the 40 man open
by colintj on Nov 28, 2007 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, maybe in some sistuations
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought they would have a
by colintj on Nov 28, 2007 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they can trade him to another team prior
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BP on the garland/cabrera deal
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6956
Lamenting the money that's now effectively wasted on Uribe aside, though, as a direct one-for-one, this isn't a bad trade for the Sox, since it's one year of Cabrera for one of Garland. Cabrera's an obvious offensive upgrade, and probably a defensive one as well, and it will be interesting to see if he's the sort of hitter who can exploit the Cell's short corners. A lot of his doubles in Angel Stadium were hit into the left field corner; if he maintains that, he should deliver some extra souvenirs.
As far as the rotation, here again, I think Williams drew a reasonable conclusion--that Jon Garland isn't going to be the difference between fielding a competitive club. They're still leading off with Mark Buehrle and Javier Vazquez. Nobody's willing to take a chance on Jose Contreras, so the challenge is to fix him, again, and if anybody has experience there, it's the Sox and pitching coach Don Cooper, the folks who turned the big Cuban around in the first place. They're left hoping that John Danks and Gavin Floyd pan out, fast, but you can also invest some hope that maybe next spring is the one where Charlie Haeger starts channeling Charlie Hough, or that very different prospects like Gio Gonzalez, Jack Egbert, and/or Lance Broadway pan out. Obviously, the Sox could use a veteran journeyman to bring in as insurance against too many kids and Contreras falling victim to an uncorrectable error. There's still enough to choose from in that bin, whether it's filler like Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse, or guys bouncing back from injury (Kris Benson, Jason Jennings, maybe even a return engagement with Bartolo Colon). The worst choices would involve names like 'Trachsel' or Weaver the Elder, but it shouldn't come to that.
So the real problem is that the team doesn't have a center fielder, but at least it now has a shortstop. I wouldn't bang on Kenny Williams too much as far as his having a march stolen on him by Tony Reagins and the Angels. If there's one area of the market that still has good stock, it's center field, and it doesn't have to involve a monster deal with Aaron Rowand. Andruw Jones or Mike Cameron would fill the bill, especially if the money was right. If Williams decides to play for lower stakes I think the irony of seeing Corey Patterson on the South Side would be delicious; it might even finally engender some real hatred for the Sox among Cubs fans, finally leading to some two-way animosity in town.
The problem is that if the Sox see themselves as having a dividend because they didn't get Hunter, spending it on Linebrink's exactly where you don't want to go. While he hasn't gone pumpkin and still should have value, he's just not the set-up star from San Diego from three or four years ago, and taking him out of Petco, and then putting him into the tougher league in a tougher park? That's a formula for bitter disappointment. While the desire to fix the club's pen is appropriate, and Linebrink should still be at least an adequate set-up man for Bobby Jenks, this is a pretty big commitment to a guy who's already lost something, and who seems likely to lose still more to a change in competitive environments from one that could forgive the occasional mistake to one that usually doesn't.
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
jeez, finally
by colintj on Nov 28, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a reasonable...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 28, 2007 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Nov 28, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry, I gotta ask.
by ballyb on Nov 28, 2007 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
both today
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for
by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2007 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
in reply to larry above
by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2007 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't think
by Toonderstrook on Nov 28, 2007 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah. Vodka and prune juice
yum
by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2007 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't know about him
by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2007 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
once again meant for above
damn iPhone
by Chiburb on Nov 28, 2007 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
added a couple links on the end of the post
by The Wizard on Nov 28, 2007 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So LaRussa, who pled "guilty" to
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zingaroo!
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi-yo!!!!!
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Uribe isn't an upgrade from Eckstein...
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the fat version, no.
by omnipotent grab on Nov 29, 2007 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young trade...
The hold up is because of concerns regarding medical reports on Rincon's elbow. The trade is expected to either be completed or killed by tomorrow.
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 7:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FJM is awesome today
by winningugly on Nov 28, 2007 7:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
egbert, lucas harrell, cole armstrong, adam russel
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa. I totally missed that.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
re
I think it was 37, pods out = 36, four minors added = 40,
garland out, goat trimmer in
cintron out, brickster in
by The Wizard on Nov 28, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
And why is it necessary we have 4 catchers on the 40 man?
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBtraderumors.com says we are interested...
Wow, I'm excited now...
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Seems to me like Fukodome would be higher on KW's list than either of those two.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think that Rowand...
Aaron Rowand
Kosuke Fukudome
Coco Crisp
Willy Taveras
Andruw Jones is already out of the picture because of his agent. But if you listen to "Williams conf. call on Linebrink" at WhiteSox.com, Kenny makes it sound like he is going to acquire at least one outfielder. But he said that instead of acquiring a CF'er, they could acquire a LF'er and go with Owens, Anderson, or Sweeney in CF. The problem with this plan is that there aren't really any quality free agent corner outfielders. Kenny would have to trade for a corner outfielder to get a good one.
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh I gotcha.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the Story?
Taveras: 12 WS
Crisp: 16 WS
And yes, Taveras did have better raw offensive numbers, but only 6 more points (89/83) in OPS+ last year. And I'd bet that Crisp can get back to his amazing Cleveland numbers (110/117 OPS+ '04/'05) if he gets out of Boston. Well, maybe not all the way, but get back over league average hitting.
So, if Crisp can get his offense back to respectability, he's leaps and bounds better then Taveras. Instead of slightly better.
by coffeepac on Nov 28, 2007 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Crisp: 77 OPS+, 10 WS
Taveras: 74 OPS+, 13 WS
What happened to Willy's Defense last year? 'cause he lost a share and hit like crazy in '07.
Also, Taveras is a terrible name to type too many times. I keep sounding it out in my head as 'tah-ver-ass' to get the spelling right. I have now said 'ass' to my self at least 45 times in the past 10 minutes.
by coffeepac on Nov 28, 2007 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
link?
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here...
by SSH2005 on Nov 28, 2007 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR
by Winning is Fung on Nov 28, 2007 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's all I could find
by The Wizard on Nov 28, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else read
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
its official
what do you guys think this help the twins or not?
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say helps
so they replaced rincon with morlan
by The Wizard on Nov 28, 2007 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting deal
it makes me wonder what, if any, knock on effects this will have on potential santana deals. it's tough and probably misleading to score trades and transactions individually but this looks fairly even.
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone here think
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm..
The Rays were looking for an MLB ready starter, and aside from Danks, I dunno who the Sox could've sent. Vazquez is too old. Buehrle locked up. It would've cost probably Gio or Egbert + Danks and Uribe.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
by The Cheat on Nov 28, 2007 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew paul from weed haven, tx
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm... yeah
They can afford to send off Garza. I know the Rays need pitching but they are really sending off some studs here.
Looks like the Twinkies aren't going to lay down and die next year. The AL Central is going to be really tough for the Sox next year, and I don't see this trade as any small ripple.
I mean the Twin's rotation next year is going to be:
Johan
Liriano
Bonser
Slowey
Baker
...
Tell me that isn't sick.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea but
by Jbasic89 on Nov 28, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
Their lineup is much improved and so far their rotation hasn't really taken a hit. Liriano can be a whole run worse next year (than he was a year ago) and be better than Garza.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That
by dantesox on Nov 28, 2007 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
Tigers and Indians better watch out.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor has it.......
by stanchar on Nov 28, 2007 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah. we know. the ponies.
by larry on Nov 28, 2007 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
by Shoeless In SC on Nov 28, 2007 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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