Kenny Williams wants to be cool
Follow one simple rule
Don't mess with the flow, no no
Stick to the status quo
On the trade front, Edgar Renteria was definitely available. And I don't have a doubt that the Sox offered Jon Garland or Jose Contreras for him, but that package couldn't match Detroit's tandem of strange first names. Jurrjens figures to start the season as Atlanta's 4th or 5th starter -- Garland or Contreras would have been somewhere between 2 and 4 -- and should settle into a long-term role a mid-rotation starter in the future; while Hernandez has an upside that none of the White Sox position prospects can match. Today, Baseball America ranked Jurrjens and Hernandez as Atlanta's 3rd and 5th ranks prospects, respectively.
Miguel Tejada is definitely on the market, amid talk that Baltimore no longer considers him a shortstop. Again the Sox were said to have interest last season, specifically putting in a claim after the waiver deadline and trying to work out a deal around Contreras and Gio Gonzalez. At this point, however, with the Mitchell Report supposedly due out before the end of the year, Kenny seems a bit gun shy about acquiring a suspected B-12 abuser.
In my off-season plan, I suggested Rafeal Furcal as good candidate for trade, but it doesn't seem that, after a down year, Ned Colletti is in any hury to get out from under his $13M contract. There could still be a fit, especially if the Dodgers are willing to trade contract-for-contract with Jose Contreras.
Although Jack Wilson and Bill Hall would seem to be available, the Sox haven't been able to make a trade fit. Pittsburgh probably wants prospects, and Wilson isn't exactly much of an offensive upgrade over Uribe; and Milwaukee wants a young starter for Hall. Garland is still relatively young, but with only one year and $12M remaining on his contract, the Sox would probably have to include a good pitching prospect (of which they have two) to make a deal.
With all the non-Uribe shortstop options there would have been an additional opportunity cost. In most of the trades, the Sox would have had to give up the young talent they should trying to horde right now. And Eckstein's probable multiple year contract, could prevent other opportunities to improve the club in other areas in addition to being a poor choice in the first place.
Keeping Uribe, the cheapest option, around for another year, while far from an optimal situation, gives the Sox freedom to continue to look for trades and doesn't lock them into a poor long-term situation.
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Absolutely can't stand Uribe......
by stanchar on Nov 8, 2007 6:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brad Lidge for Bourn & Constanza
by ChicagoPete on Nov 8, 2007 7:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bourn isn't great shakes.
That said, I think you're right. Bourn might be a .280/.350/.430 and is already .270/.335/.380. That's pretty valuable, though the Phillies were ditching a redundant piece (Victorino > Bourn).
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't necessarily be thrilled with
When's the last time the Sox traded for a position playing prospect who actually panned out? Jury's still out on Richar. Konerko maybe?
by ChicagoPete on Nov 8, 2007 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it might be paulie
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one's chiming in?
by ChicagoPete on Nov 8, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danks?
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
position players, not pitchers
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KW just hasn't made many such trades
before the KW era, i suppose you could cite singleton, who was decent for a few years and got us willie harris when traded. that was '99?
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure they did.
Anyway i like the trade from our perspective. Since we're putting Fields at 3B and the Astros don't need Luke Scott anymore let's go get him.
by bhoov on Nov 8, 2007 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bhoov, you beat me to the punch
Here's the most interesting part:
Seems like a cheaper, and presumably less brittle, version of Geoff Jenkins. Now if only we had the righty half of that platoon. Is there a righty Jack Cust type floating around out there somewhere?
by Ryno on Nov 8, 2007 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Josh Fields
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of Fields
Bourgeois hit .287/.356/.492/.847 against lefties in Charlotte last year, for whatever that's worth.
Scott seems like a cheaper and maybe slightly better version of Mack to me.
by Ryno on Nov 8, 2007 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott
If the Sox insist that they don't want to rebuild, Kenny is going to have to find players (like Scott) who are undervalued by their current club and can be picked up for pennies on the dollar.
by CWSKeith on Nov 8, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bourn = owens?
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the owens comp was mine
I guess it would be a stretch to call Jerry even fringe-average.
by Ryno on Nov 8, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
slap happy
by ChicagoPete on Nov 8, 2007 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
i wouldn't call him a long-term investment - guys like him peak quickly and decline quickly - but he'll likely be a starter type for the next 4 seasons.
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i see
lidge is very good, certainly one of the top relievers in baseball. and his price next year is likely to be quite undermarket. and he's a very good fit for the phillies for the reasons mentioned. but they could have signed someone like coredero for a bit more money (let's say $4MM next year) and kept the players.
bottom line, i think this is another case of a GM not valuing cheap, average-ish production appropriately. one season of lidge isn't worth that much.
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies have the money to not concern
It is surprising to see Gillick get rid of a possibly productive 3B though. Not sure why he would do that. But this is more effectively like trading for a starter for Gillick, so considering that, he really didn't lose, imo.
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
simply because a player is redundant
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well they did get a starter back, y'know.
by colintj on Nov 8, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me incorporate
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bourn
.245/.306/.325 ZIPS- That's positively owensesque
That's a huge difference. So it really depends on how good Bourn is. I think Bourn is going to be more Scott Podsednik (in CF) than Jerry Owens or Aaron Rowand. So about halfway between those projections.
Costanzo? A 24 y.o. posting a .858 OPS in AA? At 2 months younger than him Fields was posting a .894 OPS in AAA. I see a guy who could give you 2-3 years of average production during his peak years 26-28 and then devolving into a platoon player.
Now those 2 players are valubale, just not 10 years of average production valuable IMHO. I think it's a pretty equivalent trade once you factor in either resigning lidge or getting draft picks.
by bhoov on Nov 8, 2007 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind the Uribe re-up
by striker on Nov 8, 2007 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is what we should have done with juan
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/07/gm.meetings.wednesday/index.html
of course, that would require motivation on the part of juan. considering the dearth of options out there, i doubt we're going to be able to bring in someone to actually push tubby. maybe being a free agent to be will get him on seattle sutton.
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
you can read schilling's thoughts
http://38pitches.com/2007/11/06/done/#more-116
by the way, how easy would it be for a baseball writer to get a nice kickback from schilling to ensure that curt gets that $1MM for a cy young vote?
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roget's
by Toonderstrook on Nov 8, 2007 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is to me
by larry on Nov 8, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is:
by CatBrains on Nov 8, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a self-aggrandizing statement!
Come back to the light, Toonder, and reject the dark forces of the Bay. Your immortal (and immoral) soul is at stake.
By the by, the former program director for Sirius Radio told me yesterday SIRI now has a Grateful Dead channel. You must be in heaven, bro.
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always had feet!
And far as me being self-aggrandizing, you can take the boy out of the Windy City (so named not for its gusty weather), but you can't take the Windy City out of the boy. And you can bet that Schilling wouldn't think I was being judgmental, but rather was giving him a great compliment.
Siriusly, having the Dead channel rocks.
by Toonderstrook on Nov 8, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Schill (wonder if he does a lot
Put down the "j" and chardonnay (is that a song title?)and get to work, Meat.
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see these trade dominos fall....
Contreras and Broadway to the Mets for Milledge. (savings about $12 million)
Use the mega millions saved to sign Pay-Rod, have an outfield of Dye, Melky, and Milledge, and an infield of Pay-Rod, Fatso, Richar, Fields and AJ.
by MarkD on Nov 8, 2007 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees
by the wimperoo on Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While we're
by bhoov on Nov 8, 2007 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always get a kick out of
by HulkSmash on Nov 8, 2007 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark D
by Soulja Boy on Nov 9, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dad?
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12 hours and nobody has busted me
Congrats guys, you're all certified heterosexual males. Either that or you don't have an 8 year old daughter.
by The Cheat on Nov 8, 2007 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mine's turning 5 next month
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PS Does this mean you are gay
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by The Cheat on Nov 8, 2007 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Purdue's penultimate moment of 2007
Hey, if you High School Musical II I can get it at cost...
;)
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought it might have been from...
Anyways, too lazy to look it up. I've been too busy providing witty grammar humor ;)
by rhythm on Nov 8, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kenny inquired about bill hall
by The Wizard on Nov 8, 2007 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm - perhaps like this
"Good, what can I do for you Kenny?"
"Just calling to inquire about your interest in an opportunity to enhance the postion of your organization's current status within the league."
"Excuse me?"
"I would like to present you with a proposal that would benefit your organizations present situation with a mutually agreeable opportunity that would give us both the benefit of resolving several pivotal positions within our franchises. Does this sound compelling to you?"
"Sorry, not quite understanding you"
"That's unfortunate, my hypothesis was that we would be able to accomplish this transaction with minimal arduousness. Have a favorable day."
"You too, thanks"
by Brush Back on Nov 8, 2007 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible!
Joliet Junior, on the other hand...Ya Yay!
by rhythm on Nov 8, 2007 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going from visions of grandeur about Bill Hall...
by SSH2005 on Nov 8, 2007 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see this coming
by chisox on Nov 8, 2007 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NF way.
by winningugly on Nov 8, 2007 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ban this SSH2005.
by ballyb on Nov 9, 2007 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys know you love it...
by SSH2005 on Nov 9, 2007 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah - where's the mustache
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Hot stove Item from Gammons
by indianguy30 on Nov 9, 2007 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sign Garland to a long term deal.
by Soulja Boy on Nov 9, 2007 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy question.
by Soulja Boy on Nov 9, 2007 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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