Be like Mark

by The Wizard on Dec 10, 2007 1:38 PM CST in Quotes

Coop wants more first-pitch strikes and relying on his defense from Danks in order to cut down his walks:

"Pitching to contact early will cut down the walks. He can't fall behind anymore. There were times where he would get the first two outs, then throw a five-pitch walk. The deeper he pitches in games, the better chance he has and we have."

***** In other news,

ZiPS Carlos Quentin's projection: .249/.342/.428.
Big Jim has problems pronouncing Fuku's name. Jim @ SoxMachine doesn't.
Scott Merkin puts the odds of a Rowand return at 50-50.
Hot Stove: The D'backs are offering Carlos Gonzalez, Emilio Bonifacio, and Brett Anderson for Dan Haren. Speaking of the D'backs, BA has their Top 10 Prospects list. -- The Cards might include OF Colby Rasmus in a package for Erik Bedard. -- Kevin Mench was DFA'ed by the Brewers. -- Joe Cowley says the Sox like Alex Rios. So do 29 more baseball teams.
Tales of the cutter: Mariano Rivera.

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Q's ZiPs Projection

is too low.

As Dan himself noted, " ... ZiPS has no idea that Quentin was playing throw a shoulder problem."

I believe he will end up closer to the "optimistic" projection of .272/.372/.482 with 19 HRs.

by Jim in Maine on Dec 10, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions

If Juanito can hit 20 in the Cell

yearly I think Q can hit 22. Just 'cause he is man enough to do it.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 10, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

someone should tell ZiPS that

or ZiPS should follow baseball a little more closely if ZiPS is going to make predictions. sheesh.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Well...

there's no real way to make a "was playing through injury" adjustment.

Any predictor of future production needs to be taken with a giant grain of salt.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 10, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

a joke, jerry

sheesh.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

There's no joking in baseball

...or was that crying? I'm pretty sure crying is allowed given the tears that have been shed over not getting Hunter and Cabrera...

by hitlesswonder on Dec 10, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

but we all know

that the use of non-traditional statistical analysis in baseball isn't real baseball. it's geeks who could never play ball fucking up the purity of the game.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

Ozzie, is that you?

;)

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 10, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions

I'd

most certainly take that in left with open arms..

It's all about the SOX baby! www.firestarclothing.com

by Eternalkonflict on Dec 10, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

Heck...

that median projection would be significantly better than what we're used to seeing out there.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 10, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions

How many "Picked Off 1st Base" though?

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Dec 10, 2007 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

Feisty...

...don't tell me how many time you get picked off, tell me when you get picked off.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 10, 2007 3:01 PM CST up reply actions

hehe

How right you are Hawk.

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Dec 10, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

Joe Cowley

again, how dumb is this guy. does he pretend that hes a GM? of course the white sox like alex rios, why wouldnt you?

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 10, 2007 3:01 PM CST reply actions

D'backs top prospects list for decade

Year Player Position 2007
1998 Travis Lee, 1b Out of baseball
.
.
2001 Alex Cintron, ss White Sox
2002 Luis Terrero, of White Sox
.
.
2005 Carlos Quetin, of Diamondbacks

Ouch, Is there a trend we are missing here?

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 3:09 PM CST reply actions

What does...

Travis Lee have to do with this?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 10, 2007 3:10 PM CST up reply actions

nothing

his name was first in the list so I just left it there. Sorry for confusion

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 3:37 PM CST up reply actions

top prospect lists of the last decade

look at every team in baseballs, id say almost all of them are half filled with busts, if not more than half.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 10, 2007 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

especially

if you use BA, which is not exactly high quality with their lists. i mean, phil rogers authoring it? a guy who has not even seen most of the sox prospects play?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

i think his point

was that the three he was really focusing on all ended up on the sox, implying that kenny likes the d-backs' sloppy seconds.

Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 10, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

Is he available?

Also, can he play center field?

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Dec 10, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

more importantly, can he play

leadoff ?

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Dec 10, 2007 5:42 PM CST up reply actions

My monitor thanks you

for the bath of tea it just received! ;)

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 10, 2007 8:30 PM CST up reply actions

Shut up!

At least give 'em until ST to get discouraged.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 10, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

I don't

understand what you are suggesting Indianguy. Look at most Top 10 Prospect lists for any team, and you are sure to get a few laughs.

by BoKnows on Dec 10, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

what I am suggsting

is that Sox(Kenny) have a habit of liking washed out top prospects and getting them at some point(remember how and when Cintron was acquired). I am not suggesting Quentin is washed out and is not going to pan out and also not suggesting Luis and Alex were not hot prospects at that point but we at this board could not wait for them to be dfa'd right now

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

cintron and terrero

we acqured cintron to be a backup, and we PICKED UP terrero to possibly be back up with no guarantee to make the team. cintron was past the point of being considered a bust, so we traded a worthless jeff bajenaru(hows he doing for the dbacks?) and got terrero for free i believe. carlos quentins acquisition is a completely different scenario.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 10, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

bajenaru

For D'backs it was never about worthless reliever it was about spending mil and half for backup. And in 2006 acquisition of Mackowiack and Cintron (strengthening bench - most overrated concept for American League) was billed as bigger deal than Javi or Thome

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 3:50 PM CST up reply actions

billed by whom?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions

who else

Ozzie and KW

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 4:02 PM CST up reply actions

yeah

i'm going to have to question the veracity of that assetion.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 4:08 PM CST up reply actions

chuckle

I didn't know I will have to testify for that post. Back of my head I got this feeling by what was going on that Alex and Mack are going to give us 5 more wins anyway Check this out I don't know if it is good enough to keep me out of prison. (:

by indianguy30 on Dec 10, 2007 4:22 PM CST up reply actions

just about every team

if not every team has washed out top prospects on their team. nature of the game.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions

Off topic....

but...why do I have this admittedly irrational good feeling about Floyd and Danks this year? Secondly, where from here? Looks like Rowand and Alexi Ramirez plus an arm from a Crede trade....and that'll pretty much be it....and that's just fine with me....I think we'll be competitive with a slight chance to surprise....let's keep slowly funneling in the kids (Gio, Sweeney, Broadway....etc...even Anderson if still here) and investing and upgrading scouting, development in the farm...that's all.

by dantesox on Dec 10, 2007 3:57 PM CST up reply actions

No white flag trade

I agree with dantesox - the team won't win but if the pitching is decent we could hang in there for awhile - look what happened to the Sox when they started tearing about the team to get youth with the white flag trade. Took years to recover from it and for the fans to forgive them. There instead of waiting until it was too late like they may have done now, they did it early.

by bingodog on Dec 10, 2007 6:02 PM CST reply actions

Fukudome may choose team tomorrow...

Sun-Times' Gordon Wittenmyer wrote:

The agent for Japanese free agent Kosuke Fukudome said today he doesn't expect to hear from his client about his intentions to play in the U.S. in 2008 until sometime after 10 p.m. (CST) tonight and doesn't plan to contact the Cubs or any other stateside suitor until Tuesday, regardless of Fukudome's decision.

But once Fukudome makes the anticipated announcement that he's coming to the U.S. a deal could get done within a day of the announcement, agent Joe Urbon said.

Multiple media outlets on both sides of the Pacific have reported that Fukudome already had decided to come to the U.S., but Urbon said late this afternoon - about 8 a.m. Tuesday for Fukudome -- his client has not yet contacted him. And even after that were to happen, the outfielder is expected to spend much of tonight (Tuesday morning in Japan) meeting face-to-face with the three Japanese teams that had expressed interest.

That means no official announcement from the Fukudome camp is possible until sometime Tuesday (CST), at which time a deal could come together quickly for Fukudome's top-choice U.S. team.

Since the Rangers signed Milton Bradley, it sounds like they may be out of the running on Fukudome. It sounds like it is mainly the Cubs, Padres, and White Sox in that order. The Padres probably have increased interest in both Fukudome and Rowand now that they have lost Milton Bradley to the Rangers.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 6:26 PM CST reply actions

so the demand for CF'ers is going down

if the rangers are not looking for a CF

teams: sox, cubs, padres, giants ?

CFers: fuku, rowand, cameron, someone from the dodgers, patterson

looks like a team won't have to give in crazy demands...

by The Wizard on Dec 10, 2007 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

am I the only one..

...who thinks Fuko might be over-rated, thus hoping the Cubs get him for a $100M contract, and that he stinks in MLB but the Cubs have to play him for a couple of years anyway because of the money?

by ruffster on Dec 11, 2007 9:58 AM CST up reply actions

Anything's possible...

but I think it's just as likely (if not more so) that Rowand or Hunter's contracts end up being busts. C'est la guerre. I'm actually hoping that the Sox refrain from signing Fukudome or Rowand. The Sox aren't in a position to contend, and contracts like that will be difficult to unload when they are in that position.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2007 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

agreed

At this point, I'm hoping they give the job to J-OW. And if/when all the FA's go elsewhere, I can just see the media articles labeling the Sox "offseason losers" for not overpaying to stick a aging vet out there...

Bears eat beets.

by Nordhagen on Dec 11, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions

already been done

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/12/07/scoop.friday/1.html

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

For comparison

Last year our LFers hit .256/.332/.399/.731. Of course once Mack was traded it was sig. worse than that. So .249/.342/.428/.770 would be a very nice upgrade. The AL average for LF is .275 .335 .426.

Amazingly our CFers posted an incredibly putrid .247/.308/.320/.628 line. Average for CF is .272 .340 .414 .754. An average everyday CF would probably be a 5 win upgrade (Mike Cameron are you out there?)!

3B? .221/.275/.367/.642 (remember Crede sucked before going under the knife and when Fields went to LF gonzalez and Cintron replaced him). Still, that is amazingly bad. Average is .266 .334 .427 .761 (of course that includes A-rod).

by bhoov on Dec 10, 2007 7:05 PM CST reply actions

any curious to

why the sox don't try and trade haeger for a guy who actually has a shot on the 25 man roster?

any chance haeger and sweeney lands us a freel or hamilton from cincy?

may sound like a long shot, but its obvious haeger has no spot in the organization, and it's about the time rob neyer writes his good will piece on him

by tubesox on Dec 10, 2007 7:56 PM CST reply actions

i think they haven't traded him

because you haven't bought the board drinks yet.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 10, 2007 9:05 PM CST up reply actions

why doesn't

someone find my comment, i said if they trade/ waive him before the season ends, quit your griping

everyone knew he wasnt coming back

by tubesox on Dec 10, 2007 9:27 PM CST reply actions

fine.

can you make this same wager with andy gonzalez?

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 10, 2007 9:30 PM CST up reply actions

Come on Tube...

So you found a way to weasel out of the Cintron bet... grow some nutes and put a bet on Andy Gonzalez DFA/Released/Waived/Traded before '08 seasons end!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 10, 2007 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

Hmmm - read this comment

... P.S. if Cintron gets traded oe released I will buy drinks for the whole board

Cintron

I'm no legal expert, but I don't see any conditions here.

by Brush Back on Dec 10, 2007 9:53 PM CST up reply actions

cough WELCHER cough

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 9:57 PM CST up reply actions

Brewers' reliever Matt Wise to be non-tendered?

Salomon Torres will report to the Brewers instead of retiring and Eric Gagne was given #38 which was Wise's number. They still need to get rid of a player to make room for Gagne because they currently have 41 players on their roster.

Also, it sounds like they dumped Kevin Mench because they want to trade for a 3B and move Ryan Braun to LF. My predicted trade of Crede to the Brewers for Matt Wise sounds somewhat possible now.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 9:47 PM CST reply actions

This could be a pretty solid bullpen...

if MacDougal could bounce back.

Mike MacDougal
Ehren Wassermann
Boone Logan
Matt Wise
Matt Thornton
Scott Linebrink
Bobby Jenks

You have the ROOGY and LOOGY in there for Ozzie and his spastic bullpen changes.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 9:51 PM CST up reply actions

question

obviously LOOGY AND ROOGY have something to do with lefty and righty but what exactly does it stand for?

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 10, 2007 9:53 PM CST up reply actions

Left-handed One Out GuY...

and Right-handed One Out GuY.

http://www.metstoday.com/spring-training-2006/2006/the-loogy/

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions

Wise needs a change of scenery

he wasn't the same after he hit that player with the pitch.

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Dec 10, 2007 10:02 PM CST up reply actions

Wise is a solid reliever...

My Crede for Wise trade makes sense for both teams. We need another reliever to improve our bullpen and the Brewers need a 3B so they can move Ryan Braun to LF now that both Geoff Jenkins and Kevin Mench are gone. We would also be dumping some salary in the deal to throw at Fukudome or Rowand.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 10:05 PM CST up reply actions

was a solid reliever

Brewers would do Wise for Crede in a heartbeat, especially since Wise is going to get nontendered.

Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Dec 10, 2007 11:11 PM CST up reply actions

Catcher Paul Lo Duca sign with Nationals...

One-year deal worth $5 million.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 10:00 PM CST reply actions

Fukudome's choice is down to 3 teams...

"Notebook: Three teams lead pursuit of Japanese OF Fukudome"

"All I know is it seems like it's coming down to two cities," said the general manager of one of them, San Diego's Kevin Towers, Monday afternoon. "And there's two teams in one of the cities."

That would be Chicago, where the Cubs are aggressively looking to add a left-handed bat in right field, and where the White Sox continue pushing to add an outfielder and bat after losing out on Torii Hunter (signed by the Angels as a free agent) and Miguel Cabrera (acquired by Detroit in a trade) this winter.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 10:03 PM CST reply actions

For Fukodome

It's all gonna be about his defense. Most projection systems seem to have him around a .350 OBP and a .450 SLG%. If he's an average defender in CF, he'll certainly be worth the (approx) 3/$45 that he gets. If, on the other hand, he can't hack it out in CF... well then he's not a particularly special ballplayer -- probably a bit above average and while that still gets you a lot of money in this market, I don't think that's worth $15 million per season.

by CWSKeith on Dec 10, 2007 10:11 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed...

but if the White Sox didn't think that Fukudome could play CF well enough defensively, they would probably be focused on Rowand right now instead of Fukudome. Although, I am assuming that White Sox scouts actually know what the hell they are doing which is probably foolish of me.

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 10:16 PM CST up reply actions

More on Fukudome...

On the South Side, where the White Sox right now have Carlos Quentin (acquired in a trade from Arizona) in left field and Jermaine Dye in right, he would be expected to play center.

"He's a great player," Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said in Nashville. "Some people say he's between Ichiro and one from the New York Yankees, (Hideki) Matsui. That's a pretty good combo."

The Padres are believed to be offering $36 million over three years, similar to the deal Kansas City bestowed on outfielder Jose Guillen. The Cubs are believed to be at four years and more than $40 million.

Unfortunately, no quotes on Kenny's likely lowball contract offer. ; (

I don't understand the Cubs offer though -- Fukudome has supposedly stated that he only wants a 3-year deal. Sounds like a 3-year, $39 million dollar deal would be good enough to nab him but who knows what Fukudome is thinking?

by SSH2005 on Dec 10, 2007 10:14 PM CST up reply actions

no news

I've have been/will be spending most of my free time building a couple of websites (as Christmas gifts). So if there's not any big White Sox related news, I expect to be pretty scarce around here until right before Christmas.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 11, 2007 12:12 AM CST reply actions

no cheat posts?

that will suck!

by The Wizard on Dec 11, 2007 6:57 PM CST up reply actions

WIZ!

get soulja boy on the batphone, stat, and tell him he is going to have to pick up the slack!

Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 11, 2007 7:05 PM CST up reply actions

LOL!

by The Wizard on Dec 11, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions

It's begun already, Toondah

JO = AS, according to SoB in earlier post!

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions

Fukudome plans to play in U.S.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/11/bc.as.spt.bbl.fukudome.majors.ap/index.html

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 7:29 AM CST reply actions

I'm tired of him already

and his announcements that have been announced and havent. just pick a damn team already so we can slot JO in that lead off position opening day. anyways, do you really think Matt Wise is enough for Crede?

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 7:36 AM CST up reply actions

I do...

Crede is a waste of $5 million dollars right now with the Sox current roster. We can't even keep Crede at 3B and move Fields to LF now because Quentin has to play LF. We would get a solid reliever in Wise and also get to dump Crede's salary. Use the money saved on trading Crede to sign Fukudome or Rowand. One could argue that Uribe helps the team now more than Crede at a similar cost since he can play SS, 2B, and 3B instead of just 3B. I think it would be a trade that would make sense for both the White Sox and Brewers.

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions

Fukudome

The Cubs have offered Kosuke Fukudome close to $50 million, according to the San Diego Union Tribune.
That deal would likely trump the Padres' initial offer, which is to be over $10 million per season for three years. The White Sox are also believed to be in the running for Fukudome, who announced Tuesday that he's leaving Japan for MLB.

no thanks....

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 9:02 AM CST reply actions

I thought

14 mill per year would be Kenny's ceiling...

I'm not sure he's worth more than that.

And yes, I am tired of him and his agent screwing around with the media and the GM's. Make your damnned decision already or shut up.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 11, 2007 9:32 AM CST up reply actions

$50 Fukung Million!

That's quite a gamble. No thanks, indeed. Enjoy the ivy.

by palehose67 on Dec 11, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions

So's JO in CF for the next 3 years

Actually, no it's not - we know what awaits us. Pay da man. It ain't in yen, so he's almost taking a pay cut.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 9:46 AM CST up reply actions

Do we even know

how well he can play centerfield? That's kind of an important position.

by palehose67 on Dec 11, 2007 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

Well it depends.

Is it 4 yrs./50 mill or 3 yrs./50 mill? 4/50 is 12.5 mill a year. Think I'd rather have Fuku at 4/50 than rowand at 4/56. That is if he's a legit CFer.

by bhoov on Dec 11, 2007 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

NO!!!

Tigers agreed to terms with outfielder Timo Perez on a one-year contract.

there goes my dream of reuniting group 4.

"cmon timo!!"

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 9:49 AM CST reply actions

timo...

That pinch-hit that won the game on Memorial Day 2005--- will go down in Sox history IMO. It was one of the events that showed me the team had something special going that year. When a guy like Timo has a tough at-bat and comes through with a game-winning hit like that-- it's your year.

by ruffster on Dec 11, 2007 10:01 AM CST up reply actions

all of those

irrelevant guys had memorable moments that year. like chris widger hit a home run on a fastball from randy johnson that was at his eyes.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 10:04 AM CST up reply actions

Of course...

...that hit gave Ozzie Guillen a reason to play him at first base for a game two days later, where he made two errors and helped give the game to the Angels.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 11, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

ha!

another great memory!

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

Man, you guys are tough

(and have You have to accept the good with the bad - and, since every single play, good and bad, led to a WS title, we can't fault him too much.

Chem-is-try!

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Oops - meant to add

"and have memories like elephants".

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 11:55 AM CST up reply actions

Both Kenny and Ozzie said that 2005 was over...

so yes, we can fault him.

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

FOL

You take the good, you take the bad, you take 'em both and there you have...the facts of life, the facts of life.

Thanks a lot, WU!

Once and for all, the leadoff position is how Jenna Jameson decides to spend the first 8 minutes of video time, which has nothing to do with baseball.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 11, 2007 12:02 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, I never said I was Emerson

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks Toonder,

now I have the Facts of Life theme song stuck in my head.

by HulkSmash on Dec 11, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, how incongruous

since he holds Jenna J. in such esteem.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

which was the game

where hawk was screamin for timo to score from first with his cmon timo cheer? im lookin in the white sox archives to find that.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 11:15 AM CST up reply actions

ESPN's Buster Olney thinks that...

the Giants will sign Aaron Rowand. So if Kenny loses Fukudome to the Cubs or Padres and Rowand to the Giants, I guess we will be left with Mike Cameron or Corey Patterson. Wow.

I wonder if Kenny will just sign no one and say that he plan was for Jerry Owens to start in CF all along. Haha.

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 11:48 AM CST reply actions

In all honesty...

I wonder if just putting Owens out there isn't the best option. Not for winning in 2008, of course, but winning in 2008 has got to be a low priority about now. Although I wouldn't mind seeing Patterson or Cameron if one of them would sign a cheap deal for only one or two years.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions

I don't understand the love for Corey Patterson...

He is flat-out garbage. I don't like Jerry Owens and I would rather see him out in CF than Patterson.

I would take Cameron but I would rather have Fukudome or Rowand.

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

I don't love...

Patterson, but he's mediocre. I think because he's been a disappointment, he seems worse than mediocre, but if he can put up an OPS+ of 90 or so and play a decent center field for less than 5 million or so, that's acceptable.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2007 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

i'd rather see

pablo ozuna play CF and enjoy myself laughing at how funny he looks out there than pay corey patterson 5 mil to play.

"We had a guy go into 2nd base as if his wife was turning a double play."

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2007 12:06 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, and...

as for Fukudome/Rowand, I wouldn't mind seeing them out there in 2008, but I wouldn't give either one of them more than a three-year deal. Since that means not signing them, I wouldn't sign them.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2007 12:00 PM CST up reply actions

Lofton!

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2007 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

You've got to remember, SSH

that since we have Owens in CF, that gives us 'a lot of flexibility.'

Also, Olney's a tool.

by HulkSmash on Dec 11, 2007 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

best comment of the day

"Also, Olney's a tool."

by hugh on Dec 11, 2007 12:02 PM CST up reply actions

Sometimes you have to keep it simple

Olney's a tool, and that's that.

by HulkSmash on Dec 11, 2007 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

In other news...

David Segui says he got steroids from ex-Mets clubhouse attendant.

The Bears former Rams bust DT Jimmy Kennedy. Kennedy was traded to Denver but was cut in training camp and he hasn't played this season. Kennedy was the Rams' top draft pick (#12 overall in 2003). The Bears would have selected him if he were still on the board. Kennedy is already practicing with the Bears today.

by SSH2005 on Dec 11, 2007 12:17 PM CST reply actions

By the way...

good job, The Cheat, for pushing the '86 White Sox into first place! I don't know how you're doing it, but keep it up!

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2007 12:35 PM CST reply actions

Crede

hasn't gotten an offer yet...any chance they'll non-tender him....when is the deadline....midnight tomorrow?

by dantesox on Dec 11, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions

next month

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 11, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

Larry, you're a man in the know...

Isn't it the case that is the Sox decide to non-tender Crede, and another team signs him (which of course will most definitely occur), the Sox do not receive draft pick compensation? I may be wrong, but I can tell you know how these things work.

by HulkSmash on Dec 11, 2007 1:04 PM CST up reply actions

that's right

and i misread dante's question; i was referring to when a club must offer arbitration to a player to whom they've tendered. every player on the 40 who is not under contract must be tendered a contract by today.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtm

by larry on Dec 11, 2007 1:10 PM CST up reply actions

I see, thanks

So good money on Crede being tendered then, I assume.

by HulkSmash on Dec 11, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

Non-Tender Deadline

[MLBTR]:

Midnight Wednesday marks baseball's non-tender deadline. That's when teams must choose whether to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players. If they don't offer a contract, the player is non-tendered and becomes a free agent. While Kevin Mench and Matt Wise were technically designated for assignment, they'll soon be non-tendered. I've added both to the free agent list and will continue to update it.

Here's a list of possible non-tenders. Who do you think will be the best player to hit the free agent pool tomorrow? Morgan Ensberg? Joe Crede? Mark Prior?

by The Wizard on Dec 11, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions