Sunday Thread
by The Wizard on Dec 16, 2007 1:10 PM CST
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From BTB's article on Logan White, the Dodgers Scouting and Draft wizard:
Some of White's notable selections include Russell Martin, Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton, James Loney, Matt Kemp, Eric Stults, Delwyn Young, and the top young lefty in the minor leagues Clayton Kershaw. That's a high rate of success without spending large sums of money to acquire "hard signs" and slipping players with concerns over the likelihood of inking a contract - in fact DePodesta's old team, the Athletics, routinely spend more on the draft than the Dodgers - also don't disregard the Dodgers' free agent promiscuity - signing numerous high profile players and therefore taking away high draft picks.
- Part III (2007) of Jim's Podsednik Paradox dissertation.
- Illinois may ban aluminum bats for kids less than 13 years old. What's your take on the Wood vs. metal debate?
- Hot Stove: Teams interested in Mike Cameron: Philadelphia, St. Louis, Texas and the White Sox . He won't return to the Padres. -- The Dodgers signed Japanese pitcher Hideki Kuroda to a 3/35.3 deal. -- The D'backs acquired Dan Haren from Oakland and traded Jose Valverde to Houston, and traded Alberto Callaspo to the Royals. BBTF, BTB, and AZ Snakepit on the D'backs moves. BTW, Kevin Goldstein's Oakland's Top 11 prospects list.
- BA on Tim Beckham, the 2007 Youth Player of the Year.
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Pod's Was the Man
Many of the moves this offseason are a bit puzzling. Personally, I feel not giving him another shot this coming spring is a mistake. When you look at what we are more than likely going to have in the outfield this upcoming season he wouldn't be much worse. Hey, look at the stats. Without Pod's in 2008 one can only wonder how low can we go?
Tadahito Iguchi: Another mystery is first of all why did they trade Iguchi then followed up with another one is, why didn't they sign him??? I don't want to hear about his salary being too high. That's an excuse. He isn't making that much, relatively speaking. This guy is a very solid 2nd baseman that is an asset to any team. Once again, take a look at what we are more than likely going to see at 2nd base this season and you can only wonder in amazement at what KW is thinking.
John Garland: Next is the Garland trade. Why give up a younger guy who will give you 200 - 220 decent innings a season for an older SS who is only a modest upgrade for Uribe? The Sox would have been much better off signing Eckstein and holding on to Garland.
Aaron Rowand: Why not sign him? Yes, he is expensive but what will it cost to not have him in the field? Rowand was another key member of the fluky 2005 wonder season. The chemistry of the team could only improve over what it is now. Bottom line is the team would be better with him in CF. You need to pay for players that will improve the bottom line. You could argue that KW should never have traded him in the first place. There is no question that Rowand would have been more valuable to the team than Thome has turned out to be. Thome is one dimensional.
Neal Cotts: I think we should give Neal another shot. I don't know what his current status is but if available I would invite him to camp and give him a look.
As I look forward to 2008 there isn't much to get excited about. The Royals have a real chance at escaping the cellar. The Tigers are the early team to beat in the Al Central. The next championship out of Chicago is probably more likely to come from the north siders that the south siders. The Cubs are making moves that are leading them in that direction while the Sox appear destined for less than stellar things.
by waitonhim on Dec 16, 2007 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're right about much
by colintj on Dec 16, 2007 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you really feel though?
by defensive indifference on Dec 16, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do love proper apostrophe use
by Hazymania on Dec 16, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The "Bottom Line"
bottom line
-noun 1. the last line of a financial statement, used for showing net profit or loss.
2. net profit or loss.
Also, since you say '05 was "fluky", then why in world would you want Rowand back? Do you think he's going to fluke us into another one? Having Rowand back will lead to the Tigers and Indians inexplicably sucking?
by defensive indifference on Dec 16, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm an EBITDA guy myself
by larry on Dec 16, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think depreciation is the key.
by defensive indifference on Dec 16, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not 2005
Iguchi is a solid regular, but I bet Richar will have similar production this year.
Garland trade is debatable, but Cabrera is more than a modest upgrade over Uribe. At this point, I might be a modest upgrade over Uribe.
I like Rowand too, but he isn't worth that deal. In fact, Cameron is probably the better bet and he's cheaper & for less years.
The White Sox are at a cross roads right now. They won't win the division this year and they need to look for the future and not handcuff their future by giving out huge deals.
by shaftr on Dec 16, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to sign Cameron
by shaftr on Dec 16, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
err... games.
by coffeepac on Dec 16, 2007 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alright, thanks
by shaftr on Dec 16, 2007 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for those pining for sox baseball
by larry on Dec 16, 2007 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Phillies interested in Mike Cameron...
According to this article, the Phillies, Cardinals, Rangers, and White Sox are all interested in Cameron. The Phillies could move Shane Victorino to CF and either sign Geoff Jenkins for RF or go cheap and stick Jayson Werth there. The Cardinals GM John Mozeliak projected Rick Ankiel as his probable center fielder following Saturday's trade of Jim Edmonds. The Rangers could stick with Marlon Byrd in CF. Meanwhile, we have Jerry freaking Owens. If Kenny doesn't land Mike Cameron, I just won't know what to say...
by SSH2005 on Dec 16, 2007 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Indians last offer for Pirates' Jason Bay...
According to the report, the decision, made jointly through the entire chain of command, was that the value for Bay was not enough.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
by SSH2005 on Dec 16, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Guess no one wants to debate
Taking feeble hacks against a 65 mph pitching machine this afternoon I splintered my hand-picked wooden bat. Disgusted, I picked up a similar sized metal bat and immediately became Ichiro. I was amazed at the difference in weight and how good it felt, but was also concerned about how it would translate to my (engulfs self) fantasy week experience (had I become less of a joke because of the substance form which my wand was contructed?).
If I were to extrapolate my (admittedly horseshit) perfomance and experience I'd say it would be like Clemens' 1998 season before vs. after his (alleged) steroid use. (See the Mitchell Report for details.) The difference was quite measurable for me. Thus, knee-jerking it, I'd stay with aluminum bats (for the cost savings) until age 13-14, when the difference in skill/strength can really hurt someone.
Oh, and sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Scotty Pods sucked hard last year and all the W/L stats won't convince me he was the difference-maker.
by winningugly on Dec 16, 2007 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If it's silly to judge a pitcher by W-L
by hitlesswonder on Dec 16, 2007 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aluminum is pretty funny
Aluminum changes the way you pitch, you wind up throwing a hell of a lot more breaking pitches. They can get around on anyones fastball, and if they make any contact, its gone. That ping sound scares you as a pitcher.
by southsideirish71 on Dec 16, 2007 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great story
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only justification for Aluminum is cost
One of my biggest pet peeves with it is I believe it creates a waterfall affect of mediocrity. You have kids with metal bats that weight about as much as pin going to the local batting cage geeking up on hitting anything straight on "very fast". Like a machine, they rip everything on frozen ropes. So to counter this, Jimmy's dad then teaches his kid to throw a curveball. Of course Jimmy's dad doesnt understand the proper mechanics and the fact that Jimmy is 9 creates a monster of issues later in Jimmy's life. Its also why Jimmy is huffing a fastball that hits say 80 mph when he is 6'3. Now if he does some HGH he can really fling it up there.
I threw hard for one reason and one reason only. Lots and lots of long toss, and concentration on the fastball. We were not allowed to throw breaking pitches until 14. You also can't teach the intricacies of pitching when you face metal bats. You get solid contact on the handle of the bat for gods sakes. So going in and out, up and down is harder. I was taught to exploit the batting cage affect. And to climb the ladder on the kid. The batting cage affect is when a kid is robotic enough to recognize only flight plane on the fastball and not the spin. So you throw a 2 seamer on your first pitch, then go to a 4 seamer on the next two. This of course teaches you not to pitch, but to overcome someone else's robotic behavior. It got me destroyed my first year of college.
by southsideirish71 on Dec 17, 2007 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good post about
I swear they have to move those fences back in Williamsport for the LLWS. You see some of those kids just throw the bat at a pitch, and it sails out. Especially that walk-off the kid hit in the finals. The bat technology is changing the LL game.
by Nordhagen on Dec 17, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that was my dilemma
by The Wizard on Dec 17, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you know who will be pitching
by Nordhagen on Dec 17, 2007 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Dotson, Britt Burns,
So no flamethrowers.
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: metal vs. wood
"If you ever play golf - I don't even think they make wooden clubs anymore," Molaro said. "I think they play with weapons - plutonium. The same with tennis. The reason they use metal is that the ball goes faster and further. There's no question about it. I don't want to hear all of this scientific mumbo-jumbo. You know that if it's golf or tennis or baseball - the ball goes faster and further. Anyone who doesn't believe that is just being obstinate."
Senator Molaro, who is not swayed in his opinions by scientific research and empirical evidence pointing to the fact that wood is no safer than metal, has the audacity to call someone obstinate?
In addition,
"Have you ever priced one of those metal bats lately?" Molaro countered.
Hey, Senator Molaro, have you ever opened a book lately? Lately?
by mjthor on Dec 16, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
position as Senator*
by mjthor on Dec 16, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies, reliever Luis Vizcaino reach agreement...
Vizcaino, 33, will get a two-year, $7.5 million deal after rejecting a one-year contract through salary arbitration with the Yankees. The deal with Colorado will include a vesting option for a third year that could bring the total amount of the contract to $11 million. The option will vest if he racks up 68 appearances in '09.
by SSH2005 on Dec 16, 2007 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dominican Winter League stats...
1-0, 12 Sv, 0.55 ERA, 8 H, 17/5 K/BB in 16 1/3 IP
The White Sox tried a bunch of relievers last year, but never looked at Perez even though he ended up with a 2.10 ERA and an 89/20 K/BB ratio in 77 IP at Double-A. Maybe the team will begin to take him seriously next season.
.224/.265/.254, 0 HR, 5 RBI, 17/3 K/BB, 2 SB in 67 AB
Richar hardly embarrassed himself with a .230/.289/.406 line in 187 at-bats for the White Sox, but neither did he do a lot to solidify his status as a regular. The team needs to invest in a legitimate alternative.
1-1, 1.88 ERA, 10 H, 13/11 K/BB in 14 1/3 IP
Sisco joined Mexicali at the beginning of the month and has made three starts since. The White Sox may give him a chance to claim a rotation spot if they fail to upgrade from Gavin Floyd. However, because his command troubles would likely make it tough for him to work deep into games, his odds of contributing are better as a reliever.
.356/.381/.581, 6 HR, 30 RBI, 25/6 K/BB, 0 SB in 160 AB
If the White Sox can trade Joe Crede or Juan Uribe, my guess is that Castillo will be signed the next day. He'd make plenty of sense there as a backup at second and third.
Castillo looks like he's perfect for our team -- he swings for the fences every at bat, doesn't walk, and he's Venezuelan!!!
by SSH2005 on Dec 17, 2007 1:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perez's
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 7:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about Richar
by ChicagoPete on Dec 17, 2007 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meanwhile
i really really hope richar can be a major league 2B, sox middle infield development is so horrid.
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richar's numbers
Sometimes the winter #'s mean something, and a lot of times they don't.
by Nordhagen on Dec 17, 2007 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
swings for the fences and doesn't walk
by The Wizard on Dec 17, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet! Men at Work
So let's see, he's tearing it up in AAA but you can't wait to change his swing once you get your hands on him, eh?
"He scuffled," Walker said. "Not one time did I see him go down to the end of the bench and feel sorry for himself. I saw him feel a little mad, and saw him get a little frustrated, but I didn't see him feel sorry for himself. When you have a talented player with good makeup, you are ahead of the game. That is what we see in his kid."
The swing mechanics needed a few changes, though. Walker said Richar made "little tweaks" in his swing and approach. Richar is a no-stride hitter and that can create some advantages and disadvantages.
Yep, a few tweaks here and there and we'll fix this guy. Even though he only had a BA of .186 through his first 20 games he had a semi-respectable OBP of .323 and SLG of .418 through 19 games and a very nice 10/9 BB/K ratio. As Larry mentioned, he had some really tough luck with BABIP but hey - let's start tweaking. Since the vets have tuned Walk out, he needs somebody to work with after all.
"I was just trying to do too much and putting a lot of pressure on myself," he said. "Now I am starting to wait back on the ball and let it come to me. I am hitting the ball up the middle and to the opposite field more."
His BB/K ratio totally went in the shitter after his first twenty games - he went 6/24 the rest of the way. Even though his BA improved .44 to .230 by year end, his OBP magically dropped .34 points to end the year at .289 - thanks Walk, that's some real magic you worked with this kid. And he's carrying his progress through into winter ball with the same horrible BB/W ratio - that's what worries me the most.
by ChicagoPete on Dec 17, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Walker...
by SSH2005 on Dec 17, 2007 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line...We have no shot at the
by ckimcircles on Dec 17, 2007 2:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Raf on Dec 17, 2007 2:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's called reality regardless of
by ckimcircles on Dec 17, 2007 2:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, OK....
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2007 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you then, in effect,
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2007 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You did fine
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
instead,
by Toonderstrook on Dec 17, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can do 2 weeks of beatings
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow - 3?
I guess old dogs can't even learn old tricks....
by Air Raid Siren Stan on Dec 17, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, 4th time has been the charm
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
K, great
by Raf on Dec 17, 2007 2:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
All this "in-depth analysis" tells me...
- People are still in awe over the 2005 championship year and believe that recovering those players will suddenly make the White Sox a contender in 2008. (Mind you, I disagree with that entirely)
- Our scouting department sucks in just about every facet of position player development.
- Richar ain't gonna cut it. The Sox need another 2B. I wasn't impressed last year, I wasn't impressed with his numbers coming over in the trade, and I'm further unimpressed with his winter ball numbers. You guys have really, really low expectations. It's amazing. If Richar puts up a .720 OPS some ppl on here will go nuts. I demand more. At -least- a .340 OBP and .440 SLG. About anything less and I will be disappointed.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
.340/.440 is tough to find in a 2B
I don't think we necessarily need an All Star there. I think Richar can be solid. If he puts up .340/440, then I'll be dazzled, but .320/.420 would not disappoint me.
by Nordhagen on Dec 17, 2007 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there were probably a few more than that
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2B's OPS in 2007
In descending order of OPS...
Utley (.976)
Kent (.875)
Polanco
Cano
Johnson (.832)
Pedroia
Hudson
Phillips
Roberts
Weeks
Uggla (.805)
Kinsler
Hill
DeRosa
Sanchez (.785)
Ellis
Iwamura
Grudzielanek
Belliard
Iguchi (.747)
Matsui (.746)
That's (21) 2B's with an OPS higher than .740.
Now for 2B's with fewer than 400 AB's...
Easley (.824)
Kendrick (.796)
Fontenot (.738)
German (.727)
Castillo (.721)
Frandsen (.710)
Graffinino (.705)
Danny Richar (.696)
Blum (.685)
Cora
Miles
Biggio (.666)
Burke
Lopez
Durham
Giles
Carroll
Barfield (.594)
My point is... there are easily a bunch more 2B's that played better than Richar last year, and many names will surprise you.
27 2B's had a higher OPS than Richar last year in at least 200 AB's.
I don't think it's unreasonable to shoot for an OPS of .740. Last year Richar had an OPS of .696 after the all-star break. That was 28th among active 2B's with at least 100 PA's during that time span.
He's just not good.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you're just not good at math
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw' he's close
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not close for this
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, math is math, just numbers,
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't demand he put up his career
Richar had an .870 OPS in the minors. Larry, I'm not asking him to put up an .870 in the majors. Where the heck did you get that from? All I want is for him to be around league average. I would like .740. That's not too much to ask.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're having a hell of time with numbers today
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where are you getting .783 from?
Maybe you didn't factor in his AB's in Charlotte?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you didn't factor in
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh. gotcha.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe/probably here
another source:
by The Wizard on Dec 17, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, cool thing
or on the search page they have a 'minors' link next to the name:
'Carlos Quentin 2006-2007, minors'
by The Wizard on Dec 17, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he had
But I saw him play and I thought he looked pretty capable. So?
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 6:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really matter anymore does it?
by ChicagoPete on Dec 18, 2007 7:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe it.
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ann Arbor = Morgantown West???
by Toonderstrook on Dec 18, 2007 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not our fault
1)hire coaches
2)burn couches
They have to be very careful with the spelling.
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually i think
by Toonderstrook on Dec 18, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no one likes ohio state
in any case, he's a great hire, as is beilein. it's going to be weird feeling good about our coach.
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked, shocked
by ChicagoPete on Dec 18, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, 57 is old to me, too, dammit
Good signing by UM. Purdue sure as hell doesn't ever get profile/hot coaches, but prefers to grow them or pluck them from obsure colleges like Wyoming.
(Gee, who does THAT sound like? maybe JR/KW are Purdue alums?)
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Et al?!
Specificity.
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many of you bastards
;)
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
go inside the numbers
by larry on Dec 18, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's the other thing
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we found one
if they were so easy to find i'd expect them to be performing offensively better than league average as a group. they don't.
by larry on Dec 18, 2007 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i ought've said "there to be found"
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm having trouble with that one
by larry on Dec 18, 2007 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because i'm convinced that
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how many are really rangy, though
by larry on Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between SS and 3B
by colintj on Dec 18, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Crede?
I think he'd be a terrible second baseman. He doesn't have very much range, and his arm would be wasted.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 18, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't do any math...
That's not really difficult math, and unless I added up those players wrong, I see nothing wrong in -my- math.
Now, if you are talking about the stats I chose to represent, then go right ahead. However, I did not calculate those numbers, statheads did.
If you don't think OPS is a great indicator of his worth, then what about OPS+? His last year was 78. That's not good. That's fairly below average.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
adding .340 and .440 isn't difficult either
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
That = .740, what I would hope to see from him at minimum. I don't care how he gets to .740.
But .740 or .780 is a long ways away from his minor league OPS of .870 or whatever the hell it was.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
We can argue here all day about how good I am at math or how well I type and proof-read, but the bottom line is Richar needs to improve.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
by larry on Dec 17, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did read them
Just to be clear, I would like Richar to put up a .740 or higher OPS. .780 would be fantastic for a second year player at age 25. That is what I would expect.
So you think that because his BABIP was lower than league average his numbers will improve next year? What was average last year, .300? If Richar bumps up to .300, where do you think that puts his OPS?
And while I mention that, what OPS would satisfy you?
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 17, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to imagine you
by palehose67 on Dec 17, 2007 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should be in patent law
by ballyb on Dec 17, 2007 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richar
But the Sox absolutely shouldn't trade for a 2B alternative. It's a spot that has had a lot of cheap FAs availabe lately. If Richar plays poorly, they can try to pick up one for 2009. And in house they'll have Jason Whateverhisnameis at AAA who might be able to hit a little, plus Getz I guess. Give those guys 2008, with Richar getting A LOT of at-bats before considering switching to the others. Try to wring some value out of the Cunningham trade.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richar deserves a shot.
by palehose67 on Dec 17, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boring
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that...
- we have two 3B (Fields and Uribe).
- we have two SS (Cabrera and Uribe).
- we have three bad options for CF (Owens, Anderson, and Sweeney).
by SSH2005 on Dec 17, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops -- should have been Fields and Crede.
by SSH2005 on Dec 17, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, whatever
Ah, 2007...what a year.
by tailgater on Dec 17, 2007 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could temporarily adopt another team....
Until the Sox start making moves or generating some rumors. We could pick a team that is currently rumored to be making some moves and analyze those transactions. Maybe the Mets? They should be exciting -- jobs are on the line and they need to get more pitching somehow. Plus we would have the Milledge trade to rehash: it's like the Chris Young trade but worse!
Or we can just wait around in the eerie silence and see if KW really will trade for Crisp or Pierre (shudder).
by hitlesswonder on Dec 17, 2007 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am kind of jealous
by The Deacon on Dec 17, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
It tends to be a bummer when the good players leave, but as a credit to management's ability to market to the fan base, there are rarely too many objections raised.
Unfortunately, I don't think KW works in such an understanding environment.
by rhythm on Dec 17, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I could.
by ballyb on Dec 17, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Legend
Went to the theater on Friday thinking I was going to see a movie on the life of Aaron Rowand, only to find out it was a movie with Will Smith running around playing Omega Man.
His character was definitely a grinder, however.
by tailgater on Dec 17, 2007 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Omega Man/Chuck Heston
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soylent Green?
Not to disagree with you, wu,but I disagree with you - Charlton Heston lacked (or lacks - is he still alive?) Shatner's sense of fun. I never liked Shatner until he did Boston Legal, but he's a hoot on that show.
And speaking of wu, are you related to the Chinese guy on "Deadwood"? - he deals opium and disposes of bodies by feeding them to his pigs. Where are your ex wives, anyway?
by Air Raid Siren Stan on Dec 17, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of the Star Trek Shatner
Thank you for the career suggestion - opium is making a comeback in Afghanistan. And not Asian -Italian/German. 2/3 of the Axis Empire. Don't eff with us (losers).
And 2/3 of the exes are back in Illinois - only one in FL. All are alive (dammit).
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was awesome in Bowling for Columbine too
That was awesome! (in Chris Farley voice)
by Nordhagen on Dec 17, 2007 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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