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White Sox to acquire Carlos Quentin from the D'Backs for Chris Carter

Kenny's plan continues . . .

[MLB.com]:

The D-backs are close to finalizing a deal that would send outfielder Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for Minor League first baseman Chris Carter, an industry source said Monday. The deal is expected to be announced Monday afternoon. Carter, who will turn 21 later this month, was ranked among the White Sox top 10 prospects by Baseball America. A 15th-round pick by Chicago in the 2005 First-Year Player Draft, he has tremendous power and a good idea of the strike zone. Last year with Kannapolis of the Class A South Atlantic League, Carter hit .291 with 25 homers and 93 RBIs. He drew 67 walks, which led to a .383 on-base percentage, and he slugged .522. With the tremendous power also comes strikeouts. Carter fanned 112 times in 467 at-bats.

It's official:

The Chicago White Sox have acquired outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for minor-league first baseman Chris Carter. The White Sox also have designated left-handed pitcher Heath Phillips for assignment.

MLBTR says Quentin plans to have labrum surgery to fix his [non-throwing] shoulder this winter. UPDATE: Quentin had his left-shoulder surgically repaired in October.

Star-divide

[metsblog.com]:

According to MLB Radio, the D’Backs will soon announce that they have traded OF Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for 20–year-old 1B Chris Carter.

[Rotoworld.com]:

We hope the Diamondbacks are getting a quality pitching prospect in return as well. Quentin's stock is down, especially following shoulder surgery, but he's still a fine bet to have a long career as a regular corner outfielder. Carter, who shares the same name as the first baseman the Diamondbacks traded to Boston in the three-team Wily Mo Pena deal, hit .291/.383/.522 as a 20-year-old in low-A ball last season. Dec. 3 - 1:16 pm et

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i don't think
quentin is going to play center. that honor still belongs to jerry. speaking of which, 3693 and counting...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/owensje01.shtml

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 12:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stop pandering!
I'm gonna eat your brains and gain your knowledge.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 12:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really,
larry, you are such a self-promoting husckster.

Are you sure you are not a financial advisor?

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what?!?
yes, of course you need whole life insurance!

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's an insurance salesman, bro.
No self-respecting (fee-only) advisor would say that.

3694 and counting...

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think?
I think he can play center
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Dec 3, 2007 12:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What makes you say that?
He hasn't done it at the major-league level.  I'm not sure if and when he's done it in the minors (he didn't play center in the minors in 2007)

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 12:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok
Maybe he won't

He'll probably play LF and Kenny signs Rowand to play CF

AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Dec 3, 2007 1:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't recall him playing much center
seems to fit the profile of a corner outfielder better. at any rate, whether he can or cannot, jerry is going to be there as things stand right now.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...
after the press release, Quentin would have to be added to the 40-man, and Carter is not on it.  Who goes away?  Andy Gonzalez?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

assuming quentin is going to be
penciled in LF that leaves no room for fields there

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to KW
That wasnt an option anyway.
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 12:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quentin
is a Corner OF, and a pretty good one when healthy.

He was called up in July of '06 and posted a OPS+ of 115.  He's only 25.  Finally, a move Sox fans can get excited about.  

by BoKnows on Dec 3, 2007 12:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this kid
he had a terrible year but he was a top prospect not too long ago

by rspata on Dec 3, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes...
"he had a terrible year but he was a top prospect not too long ago"

Sounds like Brian Anderson!

But hey, maybe he can help.

Kenny seems to love former first round picks, and this kid fits the profile.

by ruffster on Dec 3, 2007 1:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another reason kenny likes him:
from Gonzales:

"He played right field at Stanford University and is considered an exceptional defender."

by ruffster on Dec 3, 2007 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stanford!
Dees keed, he real smart...
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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can he play CF?
If not, then this makes Fields or Crede expendable...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait
crede or fields is expendable? where'd you hear that? i'm shocked - shocked! - to hear this.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.
just saying. it's becoming more of a realization now...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets trying to trade for Bedard...
Sending Gomez, Heilman, and someone else...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh oh
That doesn't make since unless Carter is accompanied by Gio, DLS or Egbert.  And I'm not sure if I like the trade if he is.  Especially the first two.

by BridgeportJoe on Dec 3, 2007 1:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop trying to f*ck up my day.
:-)
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CF
The only thing I don't like about this deal is that now the Sox have to get a CF to improve the team.  Not that Quentin is not an improvement over whomever was slated for LF (actually is Dye now moved to LF?)but I don't consider him an impact move.  Before this deal the option to get an impact corner OF still would have improved the team even with Owens/Anderson in CF.  Looks like Kenny made a good deal here.  He seems to do very well with small tweaker deals; it is the big ones that you have to worry about.
I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother that is a Cub fan

by boot2112 on Dec 3, 2007 1:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's OK...
In that Chris Carter is about 3 full seasons away from contributing in the bigs, and already has holes in his swing. And a lot of things can happen in three years.

On the other hand, I don't think that Quentin ever lives up to his prospect billing. A lot of those Arizona prospects haven't panned out, and I think Quentin falls into that category.

Probably a fair deal for both teams. It does fill a White Sox need, though.

See, Kenny, this is where good drafting will get you--it gives you the pieces to trade to acquire talent to fill holes. Do more of it, and you'll be able to make more trades.

by Stealfirstbase on Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what holes are those?
his stats don't bear that out, so i hope you're referring to a scouting report.
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 3, 2007 5:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome freaking trade...
Now I'm excited.  But Quentin costs nothing so like Tony has yelled at me about recently, Kenny is still going to spend up to $15 million for 2008 upgrading CF instead of sticking Jerry Owens out there.  Right Tony?

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 1:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not?
it's only december 3rd, it's only december 3rd, it's only december 3rd, it's only...

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please sign Cameron - NOW
and trade Crede for a position player prospect.

Let Owens play CF for April, then let him spot start for Cameron and learn how to hit.

If Rowand is signed for 5-years it will ruin my holidays.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes! Let my dreams become realized!
But I refuse to platoon with that Owens kid.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Sox don't sign a big name CF now,
I will rip the Sox more than you seem to love to do.

I like this trade, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He is a guy that should play to our park, but is a big gamble. Based on 2007, Williams needs to make some gambles to get this team back in contention for 08.

Now you have gone cheap for LF, and probably 3b. Sign a CF.

by Tony82087 on Dec 3, 2007 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am usually reasonable in my Sox ripping...
Afterall, I am praising this move as Kenny's best trade ever.

Sign a CF'er and trade Crede for a reliever or something.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ABO
Anyone But Owens in the starting lineup is a huge improvement (although JO does give you that flexibility).
"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 3, 2007 2:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe...
The Diamondbacks felt bad about how good Chris Young is going to be?
I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother that is a Cub fan

by boot2112 on Dec 3, 2007 1:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha
maybe. if richar n quentin both pan out it will more than make up for young considering vazquez has pitched like a 1/2 starter

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What javy are you referring to?
Was he not our best SP last year?  And for half of '06?  You are a little rough on Mr. V.
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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry
i just didnt wanna offend any buehrle lovers. im a huge fan of vazquez

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 1:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously...
Vasquez has more than paid for Chris Young IMO.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially considering where
we would have been without him last year

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'd be #1...
in the Pedro Alvarez sweepstakes...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where would that be?
Oh yes home with a terrible record.
I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother that is a Cub fan

by boot2112 on Dec 3, 2007 1:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1/2 starter
does not mean "half of a starter." it means a 1 or 2 starter.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, I see.
Use commas not / which implies a ratio.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you say
though the original poster cops to the 1/2 = half.
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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thus 1 or 2.
You thought he meant half?
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True but....
That cost $10M and for a 90 loss team.  I like Javy alot but I never liked that trade and doubt I ever would.  Look at it like this.  If they never made the deal right now they could have Young in CF, could have kept Garland and still have the same $15M to spend that they are going to give to Rowand for 5-6 years.  What group do you like better for the next 5 years?
I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother that is a Cub fan

by boot2112 on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and $10MM on a 90 win team, too
the trade happened prior to the 06 season. and javy cost $12MM and $12.5MM the past two years.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rowand 5-6 Years at $15 Mil - Shoot me now,
Ohhh I would cry a many a night in my guinness if this were to happen.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2007 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WU
did you think he meant half a starter? i think he meant a number 1 or 2 starter.
Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see room for that interpretation
Still a head-scratcher for me - Richar and Quentin make up for Young because Javy has pitched like an ace?  I do agree he's [itched like a 1 or 2 starter - not making sense of the rest.

I'm going to lie down now.

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back to work, eh?
I think he means Vazquez pitching like an ace + Richar and Quentin not sucking balls ~ Chris Young.
Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way...
how the hell is Andy Gonzalez still on the roster?

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 1:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good question
ozzie has some kind of man on man love for him.  i still do not understand it.

by The Deacon on Dec 3, 2007 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe not...
but someone will grab Phillips, I think.  Lefty pitchers with any ability will get chances.

I'd rather have him than Masset.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed...
I thought Phillips had some potential. He pitched decently with the Sox. I dunno why Andy or Masset are still around. Give me a break...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um, decently?
small sample size but i wouldn't say that.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, but,
it beats the large sample size we have of Andy Gonzalez sucking.

by HulkSmash on Dec 3, 2007 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't say i really care
who the last men on the 40 man are. they tend to all suck.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great trade KW!
Bill James has him at  .263 .341 .455 .796. He also has a good defensive rep. It appears that Arizona is our best trading partner when it comes to exchanging need for need. Cunningham and Carter for Richar and Quentin. With all of their early draft picks and high priced signings (Upton, Drew, C. Jackson) they really don't have spots for Richar and Quentin. They don't really have the money to trade for the Cabrera's and Santana's. So instead they get guys who are 2-3 years away when their league averageish guys (Jackson, Byrnes) begin to get old or expensive. That being said this seems a solid win for KW.

For us young but ready is perfect. And most importantly this is very cost effective. The only Caveat is Quentin's health, but for a guy in low Class A you can't expect everything.

by bhoov on Dec 3, 2007 1:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what, me worry?
the nice thing about this trade for all of us cynics is that it even if carter ends up being great, it won't be for years when this trade is way off our radar...unlike chris young.
Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm buying his baseball cube page
you'll never be allowed to forget...

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mr. Moneybags are you.
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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quentin
[mg]:
Quentin, 25, is currently rehabbing an injury to his left, non-throwing shoulder. He played his entire junior season at Stanford University in 2003 with a torn right ligament in his right throwing elbow that required surgery after he signed as the 29th overall pick.

he's a grinder!

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 1:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And totally screwed up his
chakras, as he became "imbalanced" to compensate for his injury.

I hope he is back in "balance".

OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From a post on BaseballThinkFactory.com.
Re Quentin's hitting.

"It was amazing to watch really. Quentin really is just about the most undisciplined hitter I've ever seen. Not only could he not lay off low and away sliders, but he missed them by 3 feet. It was almost comical to watch...as the pitchers would just throw it further and further outside to see how far he would go to take a hack. He seldom disappointed the pitchers. :("

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goes without saying,
Walk is ready to pounce, though he already sounds like a perfectly tuned (Sox) machine!  Can't go to the opposite field, undisciplined, an athlete, a cast-off.

Yep, I'm doing handsprings.

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hard to believe that this isn't just...
rookie / young player jitters.  The guy was far too good in the minors.  His OBP was ridiculous.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 1:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not hyperbolic
no, not hyperbolic at all. something about that .427 career minor league OBP and his .316 major league OBP so far makes me think maybe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That has to be tempered, somewhat...
as the hitting environments that Quentin came up through are pretty good.  IIRC, the average hitters in those left-coast leagues are basically .300 hitters.

In any case, it's difficult to imagine a healthy Quentin being worse than a league average hitter.  And even a league average hitter with plus defense will be a big boost over what we've had in LF the past three seasons.

And getting several cheap years of an average hitter certainly isn't a bad thing, and I'd also say that I'm taking a pessimistic view here, so...

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who cares
he walked. undisciplined? i don't think so.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 2:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with you, larry...
and didn't say I did.

Why so hostile, man?  Is it because Fernando Torres is just so damn good?  What a cheeky little goal yesterday...

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The cute little loft
Is there a standard definition for "cheeky" that I'm unaware of?

Truth be told the pass from Stevie G was better, although poor defending played its part.

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm sure there is a standard definition
i'm just wondering what was particularly cheeky about it. he popped it over a charging keeper. that's what he's supposed to do. good finish, sure. cheeky, no.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 2:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe
you're breaking down my usage of an adjective.  It would've been no different if I'd've went with "neat" or "cute" -- not a fantastic, eye-popping goal by any means, just a fun little tap.  I've seen the word use as an adjective at The Offside (among other places) and figured it was relatively appropriate here.

You're really into picking nits, you know that?

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 4:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not breaking it down
i'm just wondering what you thought was cheeky about it. and, yeah, it would have been different if you'd used those words. cheeky implies a certain mischievous audaciousness. i thought the goal was an appropriate and technically quite good finish considering where he was. but i didn't think the goalkeeper or defense got, to mix in some more slang, "served."

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 4:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheeky:
-adjective, cheek·i·er, cheek·i·est.
impudent; insolent: a cheeky fellow; cheeky behavior.

And Keith, beware: this weekend Larry corrected my usage of the term 'oh snap.'

by HulkSmash on Dec 3, 2007 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you can't just be throwing oh snap around
and i didn't watch the game. saw a highlight. didn't understand what was cheeky about it.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 4:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe you should've said:
Cheeky? Oh snap!

That'd really bring things full circle. Let the healing begin.

by HulkSmash on Dec 3, 2007 4:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheeky
Ahh, discussing the merits of "cheeky" -- I dug my grave here, though, so I guess it's up for my defense.

I associate "cheeky" with something nifty, something 'neat'.  Not that something special necessarily happened, but something --  I'm running out of words -- neat.  If I could go back in time I would've gone with "cute" -- nothing special happened, you're right there, and Torres was basically doing what any striker (most likely) would've done in the same situation, but it was a soft little tap.  Cheeky and cute in my mind.  

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 5:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And with that...
I shall return to respond to (what surely will be) your combative response after I get through theology and working out.

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 2:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another.
"I think Quentin has something not talked about yet in this thread -- smarts.

In his major-league PAs with 1-2 and 0-2 counts (100 instances), he's been HBP 11 times (roughly 11.0000% of them), meaning he's (temporarily at least) figured out a way to get on base on the worst batter's counts. His OB for at bats resolved on those counts is positively Youkilis-ian (¿Youki-Loosey-Goosey?). At some point, pitchers will become probabalistically less likely to jam him on those counts so they can claim back that edge, which will be, of course, what Quentin's hoping for...more pitches he has a chance to get the fat part of the bat on.

From what I can tell, no other contemporary batter is using this technique, certainly not Biggio or Utley (not that Utley needs any weird tricks), though perhaps Ryan Garko or David DeJesus.

Smart ballplayers tend to outlast average-intel players of the same talent, because they diversify their toolkit. Quentin could end up with a Gary Roenicke or John Lowenstein kind of career."

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's it!
that's what we've been missing. i could never place my finger on it. john lowenstein. we just haven't had that lowenstein-esque quantity. that's it. 90 wins. easy.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 1:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowenstein!
COULD end up - we'll there's not guarantee he'll be THAT good.  NOW I'm jacked up.  LOL.

I bet he's good with the girls, too.

Was he on anyone's radar screen before this trade?

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 1:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cowley, Gonalez BOTH wrote
Major pieces predicting this trade.  That's why THEY get paid the big bucks and you don't!

Not.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Dec 3, 2007 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowenstein! (cont)
Even when not posting such spectacular numbers, Lowenstein was consistently valuable for the Orioles. (WOR) In 1991, in his second year of eligibility, he received one vote to the Hall of Fame.

Hey, he got a vote.

This is going to be much fun.

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 2:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowenstein! (The final curtain)
[edit] Records Held
Most Postions Homering (9) (including DH/PH) (tied with Rex Hudler)
[edit] Other Highlights
Had 1.000 Fielding Average in the outfield, 1970-1972 (78 Games), 1972 (58 games) , 1977 (39 games) and 1982(111 games)
Led American League Outfielders in Fielding Average (1.000) in 1982
[edit] Quotes
"He murders fastballs from the middle of the plate on in, but can slow up his stride enough to time a curve and line it to right-center... is rated an excellent clutch hitter... seems to enjoy contact with fences, and like Lou Piniella, he does not look pretty chasing fly balls." -- from the 1984 Scouting Report

If like Lowenstein he could be our answer to The Legend re: enjoying "contact with fences".  And if he can homer from any position (like Kama Sutra) he'll play 150+ games.

I am feeling better all the time.

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by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another. OK. which one of you guys.....?
"So Quentin is an undisciplined hitter? Man, luckily the White Sox as an organization and the Sox hitting coach in particular have a long, distinguished history of helping undisciplined hitters become more selective and...

Man, I can't even get through that with a straight face."

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 1:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Numbers don't compute with his analysis
I mean he may have trouble with a slider but "dude?"
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 2:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Undisciplined??
This guy must have watched two ABs, wrote that little paragraph, and called it a day.

Compared to two other young OFs (Ethier & Kemp), Quentin's minor league OBP suggests he is getting on base at an impressive clip.

Quentin:  1337 ABs, .413 OBP

Ethier:  1228 ABS, .384 OBP

Kemp: 1579 ABs, .359 OBP

So like Larry said, the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

by BoKnows on Dec 3, 2007 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe when he swung and missed
he looked foolish.  His OBP was raised by his talent of getting hit by a pitch.  Terstado could do that, too, and see where it got him?
2008 - Sox version of The Battle of the Bulge: The Final Stand

by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 2:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

woah
comparison to terstado? come on now. that's ridiculous.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another re Undisciplined.
"Take at close look at the pitch data summary at baseball reference. It fully supports what we are reporting from our observations. I can't reconcile what he was doing at the major league level with his minor league record either. But the fact is he had extremely poor discipline in his two partial seasons.

As far as his 115 OPS+ in 2006 is concerned, he went 6 for 16 with 4 homers and 2 walks in his first 18 major league PA's. Then they stopped throwing him strikes. He had a .784 OPS the rest of the way, so he wasn't terrible, and I certainly believe he can and will be a better hitter than his 2007 numbers. But the reports of what he was doing in 2007 are accurate. Trust me."

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The kid put up
.284 EQA in 06 in his limitied time healthy in the majors.

As mentioned his minor numbers are very, very good. Even in a hitters league, they are above avg.

No my guess is KW comes out ahead on this one....

"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 2:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walk rates
Chris Young: 7.7% and 7.0% first two mlb seasons
Carlos Quentin: 7.9% and 7.2% first two mlb seasons.

Both had similarly excellent minor league walk rates and with experience one would imagine that they will both improve.

by bhoov on Dec 3, 2007 2:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rotoworld absolutely loves the trade...
they think that Kenny robbed the D-backs.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They also think that...
Crede will be either traded or non-tendered now and that Fields will be playing 3B.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still dont get the need to get rid of Crede.
I dont want Fields sitting but with our old farts there should be plenty of abs.
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quentin isn't a CF'er...
meaning that he will start in LF (even though he should play RF with Dye in LF).  That leaves CF and 3B open.  Obviously, the Sox have to go with Fields at 3B.  That means that Crede is making around $5 million to sit on the bench.  Sorry, can't do it.  I think Kenny will trade both Crede and Uribe.  That's around $9.5 million dollars of payroll.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

prediction
We trade Konerko, who would yield a much better return than Crede, then move Fields to 1st.

by rhombusface on Dec 3, 2007 2:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And in turn, we ruin our offense...
Sorry, I don't really want to replace a .848 OPS guy with a .751 OPS guy in our lineup.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My father used to say,
Lloyds of London will give you 99 to 1 that whatever you're worried about won't happen.

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 2:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow
I'm really happy about this deal.
Go Badgers!

by shaftr on Dec 3, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KW's not the only Eliot Ness GM:
NASHVILLE, Tn. - Jim Bowden's infatuation with Lastings Milledge began when Bowden was the Reds' general manager and Milledge was at Lakewood Ranch H.S. in Bradenton, Fla.

At the time, the Reds were training in Plant City, Fla. Bowden frequently attended Milledge's high school games with Reds' scouts, comparing his bat speed to Kevin Mitchell's and Gary Sheffield's.
The Mets selected Milledge with the 12th pick of the 2003 draft, two selections before the Reds chose right-hander Ryan Wagner. But Bowden never stopped trying to get his man.

Two years later, Bowden tried to obtain Milledge for Brad Wilkerson, but instead traded Wilkerson to the Rangers in the Alfonso Soriano deal, thinking he could sign Soriano long-term.

The Nationals eventually lost Soriano as a free agent, but gained two compensation picks the following year, pitchers Jordan Zimmerman and Josh Smoker.

Just like Melvin Purvis, G-Man.

2008 - Sox version of The Battle of the Bulge: The Final Stand

by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 2:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lastings...
look at his comps (@ BBTF):

Top Comps:  Andruw Jones, Curt Flood

imagine a quentin-lastings-fuku outfield...

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this may be Kenny's best trade ever...
He bought low on a needed position and Quentin's minor league stats speak for itself.  He upgraded LF massively and also saved money to sign a free agent CF'er and maybe another reliever.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bruce LeVineLine reported earlier on ESPN 1000...
that the White Sox are still very much in the mix for Aaron Rowand but they really don't want to give him a five year contract.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possible 2008 lineup?
CF  Rowand
SS  Cabrera
DH  Thome
1B  Konerko
RF  Dye
3B  Fields
C   Pierzynski
LF  Quentin
2B  Richar

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody's said it yet
But this should (read: won't) move JD to LF...
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven't seen too much of Quentin...
but everything I've read about him suggests that he's an excellent defender.  But yeah, he'll be in LF next year and Dye in right.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I already thought about it...
and it isn't going to happen even though it should.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because of the 'ol veteran respect...
I'm already anticipating quotes like this from our team's management...

"JD's a pro's pro.  He still moves well in right field and still has that cannon.  JD will stay in right field with Carlos moving over to left field."

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?
I do think JD is a great team guy.  He would understand moving to left.  If it benefits the team, then I'm sure he would be all for it.

by BoKnows on Dec 3, 2007 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem isnt with JD its with Ozzie
"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Dec 3, 2007 2:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prediction...
The Sox won't even ask JD to move over to LF, nor will he offer.  JD doesn't want to admit that his skills are declining in right field.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JD
could move to SS.  He fit in there nicely in '06.

by BoKnows on Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was '05
Which is how Pedro Lopez got a World Series ring
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 2:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which sucks because...
an outfield of Dye in LF, a free agent like Rowand or Cameron in CF, and Quentin in RF would be sick defensively (notice I'm not getting my hopes up for an Andruw Jones signing).  That would be a massive improvement on previous years' outfield defense.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree big time.
I love Jermaine, but he was atrocious in the field last year.

Take one for the team, Jermaine.

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have a proud tradition of
Carlos' in LF - May, Lee.  He could be our new "El Caballo".
2008 - Sox version of The Battle of the Bulge: The Final Stand

by winningugly on Dec 3, 2007 3:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't we all discuss the Sox going after...
Carlos Quentin when there were those trade rumors of the Sox acquiring Conor Jackson and moving him to LF?

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope Not
Someone keep the booze away from Kenny tonight:

* Steve Finley wants to play in 2008. The 42-year-old outfielder is in Nashville shopping his services and hopes to catch an opportunity.

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe
if finley will pay us to play

by Jbasic89 on Dec 3, 2007 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meanwhile
[MLBTR]:
Darin Erstad is popular - the Padres, Mariners, Astros, and Rays have inquired.  His mystique lives on.

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 2:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

phil rogers likes the deal
and says sweeney may be trade bait now. i was surprised that he didn't cry about his boy phillips being DFAed.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YAY!!
We got a better, corner version of BA!! Highly touted prospect with bad rookie season and injured arm!! I want to see what Ozzie does with him, maybe we will have a grinder to take his place next year too. Im definitely glad we used Carter to get this one instead of using him for Coco.
"I'm not a 6-year-old." -Brian Nikola "Ungrindy" Anderson

by omnipotent grab on Dec 3, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read a rumor on SoxTalk.com,
Konerko to Arizona

for

M. Owings SP
C. Jackson 1B
T. Pena RP

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The root of it came from WSI, FWI
And I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that deal.

by Tony82087 on Dec 3, 2007 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure you would...
but why in the blue hell would Arizona make that stupidly lopsided deal with us?

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 2:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No offense...
but that trade rumor is ridiculous and I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe it.  I'm not surprised that the rumor came from a garbage website like WSI.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And how does...
trading Conor Jackson for Paul Konerko make it better, really?  That's an incredibly lopsided trade.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jackson makes Konerko look like
Keith Hernandez at 1B... Jackson might get to a few more balls, but his glovework, specifically receiving throws, an area in which Konerko excelled, is brutal.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO, Konerko to Arizona happens.
Just a matter of who we get back.

Remember what Mr. Levine said.

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 3:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bringing owings to the AL
just about destroys 20% of his value. though he'd be a heck of a lot better than what we had coming off the bench last year...

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 3:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not even about Owings, its Jackson
To me, with everything in the equation, Jackson for Kong is pretty even. Pena and Owings would be cake.

by Tony82087 on Dec 3, 2007 3:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Owings would be cake
only if Kenny was smart enough to immediately trade him again before he's ever able to throw a pitch again.

Otherwise, Owings is Masset with options remaining.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 3:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not familiar with owings
is he like gio and the guy that can hit? or was that nippert?

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Owings...
is a middling starting pitcher who hit a ton (.333/.349/.683) for the DBacks this year.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 3:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what would it be worth to make
him into a hitter?
His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Dec 3, 2007 5:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there any substance there?
like somebody like Levine mentioning it?  Or was it just a proposed deal?

That's robbery for the Sox.  I'd make the deal for Pena and Jackson -- not that I think that much of either of the two guys in return, but I'd assume the Konerko money would go towards shoring up CF, and I'd view Jones + Pena + Jackson being worth more than Konerko.

by CWSKeith on Dec 3, 2007 3:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so as currently constructed
How many wins does everyone predict this team has in 2008?  I say......75.  Neck and neck with the Royals again.  WOW.

We can revisit when KW finds the next obscure guy.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Dec 3, 2007 2:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that's an interesting trade...
Obviously, any trade can be good or bad depending on how the players pan out -- if Carter becomes Ortiz and Quentin becomes Brian Anderson redux, that's bad.

But setting aside talent evaluation (which I have no ability to judge), this was a good trade. A young OF with upside who should play now in majors is a very good fit for the Sox.

The really interesting thing is that if the use the "Hunter money" to sign a CF like Rowand or Jones, they will have no space for a speedy leadoff hitter.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 2:50 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Craziest OF ever?
The Washington Post reports that the Nationals will only be giving up a minor leaguer for Elijah Dukes.

It looks like the Rays decided enough was enough and simply salvaged what little they could after Dukes' latest incident in the Dominican Republic. Tampa Bay wanted to open up a roster spot anyway, so the player the team gets back probably won't be on the 40-man roster.
Source: Washington Post

by BoKnows on Dec 3, 2007 3:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would your view change?
It occurred to me, as the discussion surfaced again earlier on the Javy - Chris Young trade. I know its been discussed and moaned about what if.... Young in center right now and all the benefits moving forward.

My question is what if the 06 White Sox led by a resurging Vasquez, made or won the 06 series?

Does anything change? I know what the typical fan thinks (even now they don't grasp the Young deal-either way), but what about this board?

Many said and felt like if 05 happened they could care less about the future but of course that's not true. But what if they were 2 time defending champs before the 07 bomb.

Personally I thought KW deserved praise for not accepting status quo in the title defense as most gms would seem to do. I certainly loved Young but I understood at the time.

Could the Sox payroll then substain the 125-130 million level?

Does BA get a longer look in 07 because of no grinder signing?

"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 3:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i had no problem with the deal
it was fairly obvious to anyone who actually thought it about that the sox pitching, the primary reason for their record and world series win, was going to regress. KW did exactly the right thing by 1) acquiring increased offense (thome) and 2) acquiring a better starting pitcher than el duque (vasquez). this was a situation where the cost of increasing spending and trading prospects was acceptable and should have been done - because it was a world championship team that was very likely to return to the playoffs if they made such moves. so they fell short. that's how the ball bounces.

plenty of people had problems with this move at the time (i recall the squealing on this site) because everyone liked chris young so much. that's the price of upgrading your team, though.

by larry on Dec 3, 2007 3:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent question...
If Vazquez was key to delivering a second world championship, I couldn't complain about the deal.

I forget my exact reaction at the time (probably "squealed" as Larry says), but it was not an indefensible trade. Acquiring a pitcher was not a bad idea & trading a minor league OF was not a bad idea. It just turns out trading Chris Young was a bad idea.

But Williams does deserve credit for putting together a better team, on paper, in 2006 than in 2005. Vazquez was better than El Duque (on paper going into 2006) and the Sox had every reason to expect a starter to get hurt in 2006 and thus need McCarthy as a 6th starter. Lamentably (?), no one actually got hurt enough to get pulled from the rotation -- they just pitched crappily.

   

by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 4:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many times are you in position to win the WS?
I certainly never questioned those moves, I thought they were outstanding.  The current CWS might not sniff the WS for another ten years, you take your chances when you can.

But, that's part of the reason the team has serious problems right now.  A decision was made to keep that 2005 core intact and get additional veteran help, so we've gotten old and depleted the minors.

"We can stay with Jerry Owens in center field...So we've got a lot of flexibility" - Kenny Williams

by ChicagoPete on Dec 3, 2007 5:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree totally...
I liked the trade at the time and I like it even more now. Javy was our best pitcher last year. He has been a victim of poor run support in his starts and I think his record doesn't reflect how good he is. BP is always high on Javy.

Though Chris Young is a 5-tool player and likely a future all-star I think the Sox can find another toolsy CF either this year or next.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 6:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little humor from BaseballThinkFactory.com
POST:    

"Free agent Darin Erstad has received interest from the Padres, Mariners, Astros and Rays."

REPLY:  

"The only way that sentence makes sense is if Erstad loaned those teams money."

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 4:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is funny....
I just didn't know what else there was to say. Maybe a joke about the subprime meltdown...but I couldn't figure how to work that in.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 7:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just realized the run on OFers
from the 2003 draft...

First rounders Delmon Young, Lastings Milledge, and Carlos Quentin (drafted behind Anderson) were all traded within the last week...

Anderson or Sweeney will probably be moved at some point this year.

Michael Bourn was traded for Brad Lidge very early in the off-season.

And Reggie Willits or Matt Kemp figure to be in the Miguel Cabrera trade, depending on which LA team ponies up the pitching talent.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 4:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to...
MLB.com, Quentin already had the surgery on his shoulder, in October.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 5:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
someone linked an October 11th account during the D'backs playoff run, which said that Quentin had surgery earlier that week.

I'm not too worried since it's his lead shoulder, from which a number of ML players have successfully recovered.

He really did play through it, at least for most of the year, which I think inflated his K total, and led some D'backs fans to characterize his swing as undisciplined, due to an inability to check his swing without (significant) pain.

He got it fixed as soon as the season was over, and should be close to fully recovered by ST.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 5:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rotoworld
says he may not be ready by Opening Day.
Your 2008 Chicago White Sox: If it ain't a mess, it'll do 'til the mess gets here.

by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 5:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how long does it usually take to recover
from labrum surgery?

[rotoworld]:

A great gamble for the White Sox here. Quentin is questionable for Opening Day following October surgery to repair the rotator cuff and labrum in his left (non-throwing) shoulder, but he should be the team's regular left fielder once he proves he's all the way back. Actually, he should play right over Jermaine Dye, but that probably won't happen. Quentin is a very good defender in a corner still capable of turning in some 25-homer seasons in the majors. His acquisition makes it more likely that Josh Fields will be the White Sox's third baseman next year, with Joe Crede getting either traded or non-tendered

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 6:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe some new thread, Wiz?
getting crowded in this one?
It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Dec 3, 2007 6:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I emailed Will Carroll
So, we can hold our breath for that response...

For a pitcher (or Toby Hall), I would expect 8 months of recovery time from labrum surgery, with 12 months being the time I expect them to return to (near) full health...

I subtracted a couple of months, down to 6, for Quentin....

Hanley Ramirez had Labrum surgery on his lead shoulder on October 3rd this year, and the Marlins expect him back by spring training. I don't see why we should expect much different.

Quentin's surgery is a bit more complicated since it also involved the rotator cuff, but...

"It dealt with both repairing the labrum and the rotator cuff," General Manager Josh Byrnes said. "Dealing with both of those issues, it's hard to pinpoint a timeline, but six months is a reasonable guess."
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 7:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carroll says
the recovery time is the same for non-throwing shoulder, but "the return to function is quicker. He should be ready for spring training."
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 9:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New heartthrob
to replace Podsednik. Same dark eyebrows. Give him #22 (I don't think they're planning on retiring it), so all the ladies have to do is paste QUENTIN over the old name.

by ballyb on Dec 3, 2007 6:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah, maybe its just another "scotty"..
(cough)looks like scott peterson... (cough)
It's all about the SOX baby! www.firestarclothing.com

by Eternalkonflict on Dec 3, 2007 10:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Padres, Cubs, White Sox, and Dodgers...
all interested in Kosuke Fukudome.

Ken Rosenthal wrote:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Cubs are facing significant competition for their No. 1 target, Japanese free-agent outfielder Kosuke Fukudome. The Padres have emerged as a serious contender for Fukudome, according to major-league sources.

The market for Fukudome, 30, is moving quickly, sources say, with the White Sox and Dodgers also showing significant interest. Fukudome, a left-handed hitter, would play right field for the Cubs, and could play center or an outfield corner for the Padres, Dodgers and White Sox. He played center for Japan in the World Baseball Classic.

The Padres envision Fukudome possibly replacing free agent Mike Cameron, who has told the team that he will not accept their offer of a one-year contract through salary arbitration.

Cameron, who turns 35 on Jan. 8, is entertaining multi-year offers from more than one club and continues to negotiate with the Padres.

Fukudome has not yet officially declared his intent to play in the majors next season. He is also considering an offer from the Tokyo Giants, the leading franchise in Japan, but is expected to sign with a major-league team.

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 6:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would be a pretty nice lineup...
without getting too ancient.

CF  Fukudome
SS  Cabrera
DH  Thome
1B  Konerko
RF  Dye
3B  Fields
LF  Quentin
C   Pierzynski
2B  Richar

by SSH2005 on Dec 3, 2007 7:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are the Sox still interested in Fukodome?
After getting Quentin? That would be surprising.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 7:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Rowand is more likely
but adding a pre-arb player in Quentin opens up the possibilities. With Crede subtracted, a Fukudome or Rowand acquisition figures to add only another $5-8MM in payroll...

I had figured the Sox at about $115M, and I know you were thinking more around $100... The Quentin move allows them to be somewhere in the middle.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 7:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which draft picks would be lost if Rowand signs
with the White Sox?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Dec 3, 2007 7:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With the Linebrink signing
they'd be out their 2nd and 3rd round picks.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2007 7:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the 3rd round pick, the 2nd is alreadylost
[NL Elias rankings]:
Aaron Rowand 80.449 A
...
Scott Linebrink 72.834 A

sox draft picks:

now:
1st round: protected
2nd round: brewers

if rowand signs:
1st round: protected
2nd round: phillies
3rd round: brewers

by The Wizard on Dec 3, 2007 7:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

K Williams
Just heard him on XM as I picked up the kids. They were talking to him about the civil rights game. They didnt get a chance to talk much about latest trade but talked about a few other things.

Among the highlights, nothing of which was earth shattering...

  1. Just learned today and was suprised to find out the Sox had made the most trades in the last 5 years. Mr. Active himself.
  2. He views the Garland trade as him for Cab & Linebrink. He said wouldn't have been signed without it. Hmmm. So what does this mean as far as budgeted payroll and what is earmarked for what. Repeated his grindy attitude (oh lord) and smarts as being key.
  3. Pencils in Danks and Floyd in the 4-5 rotation spots. No surprise there.
  4. Believes the current staff is "working" hard which is why he extended them. (oh lord pt 2)
  5. Blames MJ (playfully of course) for the decline of blacks in baseball.
"Find out what you are doing wrong and STOP doing that."

by Tdogg on Dec 3, 2007 7:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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