White Sox to acquire Carlos Quentin from the D'Backs for Chris Carter
Kenny's plan continues . . .
[MLB.com]:
The D-backs are close to finalizing a deal that would send outfielder Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for Minor League first baseman Chris Carter, an industry source said Monday. The deal is expected to be announced Monday afternoon. Carter, who will turn 21 later this month, was ranked among the White Sox top 10 prospects by Baseball America. A 15th-round pick by Chicago in the 2005 First-Year Player Draft, he has tremendous power and a good idea of the strike zone. Last year with Kannapolis of the Class A South Atlantic League, Carter hit .291 with 25 homers and 93 RBIs. He drew 67 walks, which led to a .383 on-base percentage, and he slugged .522. With the tremendous power also comes strikeouts. Carter fanned 112 times in 467 at-bats. The Chicago White Sox have acquired outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for minor-league first baseman Chris Carter. The White Sox also have designated left-handed pitcher Heath Phillips for assignment.MLBTR says Quentin plans to have labrum surgery to fix his [non-throwing] shoulder this winter. UPDATE: Quentin had his left-shoulder surgically repaired in October.
[metsblog.com]:
According to MLB Radio, the D’Backs will soon announce that they have traded OF Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for 20–year-old 1B Chris Carter. We hope the Diamondbacks are getting a quality pitching prospect in return as well. Quentin's stock is down, especially following shoulder surgery, but he's still a fine bet to have a long career as a regular corner outfielder. Carter, who shares the same name as the first baseman the Diamondbacks traded to Boston in the three-team Wily Mo Pena deal, hit .291/.383/.522 as a 20-year-old in low-A ball last season. Dec. 3 - 1:16 pm etSouthSideSox is a community driven site. As such, users are able to express their thoughts and opinions in a FanPost, such as this one, which represents the views of this particular fan, but not necessarily the entire community or SouthSideSox editors.
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i don't think
stop pandering!
by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Really,
Are you sure you are not a financial advisor?
That's an insurance salesman, bro.
3694 and counting...
You think?
by Option27 @ South Side Sox on Dec 3, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
What makes you say that?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
He'll probably play LF and Kenny signs Rowand to play CF
by Option27 @ South Side Sox on Dec 3, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
i don't recall him playing much center
So...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions
According to KW
Quentin
He was called up in July of '06 and posted a OPS+ of 115. He's only 25. Finally, a move Sox fans can get excited about.
I like this kid
yikes...
Sounds like Brian Anderson!
But hey, maybe he can help.
Kenny seems to love former first round picks, and this kid fits the profile.
another reason kenny likes him:
"He played right field at Stanford University and is considered an exceptional defender."
Stanford!
Can he play CF?
Heh.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Mets trying to trade for Bedard...
Uh oh
CF
It's OK...
On the other hand, I don't think that Quentin ever lives up to his prospect billing. A lot of those Arizona prospects haven't panned out, and I think Quentin falls into that category.
Probably a fair deal for both teams. It does fill a White Sox need, though.
See, Kenny, this is where good drafting will get you--it gives you the pieces to trade to acquire talent to fill holes. Do more of it, and you'll be able to make more trades.
what holes are those?
Awesome freaking trade...
Please sign Cameron - NOW
Let Owens play CF for April, then let him spot start for Cameron and learn how to hit.
If Rowand is signed for 5-years it will ruin my holidays.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yes! Let my dreams become realized!
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
If the Sox don't sign a big name CF now,
I like this trade, and the more I think about it the more I like it. He is a guy that should play to our park, but is a big gamble. Based on 2007, Williams needs to make some gambles to get this team back in contention for 08.
Now you have gone cheap for LF, and probably 3b. Sign a CF.
I am usually reasonable in my Sox ripping...
Sign a CF'er and trade Crede for a reliever or something.
ABO
Maybe...
ha
What javy are you referring to?
seriously...
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
We'd be #1...
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Where would that be?
Ah, I see.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
So you say
True but....
and $10MM on a 90 win team, too
Rowand 5-6 Years at $15 Mil - Shoot me now,
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
WU
by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I see room for that interpretation
I'm going to lie down now.
back to work, eh?
by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
good question
Maybe not...
I'd rather have him than Masset.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Great trade KW!
For us young but ready is perfect. And most importantly this is very cost effective. The only Caveat is Quentin's health, but for a guy in low Class A you can't expect everything.
what, me worry?
by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Quentin
he's a grinder!
And totally screwed up his
I hope he is back in "balance".
OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
From a post on BaseballThinkFactory.com.
"It was amazing to watch really. Quentin really is just about the most undisciplined hitter I've ever seen. Not only could he not lay off low and away sliders, but he missed them by 3 feet. It was almost comical to watch...as the pitchers would just throw it further and further outside to see how far he would go to take a hack. He seldom disappointed the pitchers. :("
Goes without saying,
Yep, I'm doing handsprings.
It's hard to believe that this isn't just...
not hyperbolic
That has to be tempered, somewhat...
In any case, it's difficult to imagine a healthy Quentin being worse than a league average hitter. And even a league average hitter with plus defense will be a big boost over what we've had in LF the past three seasons.
And getting several cheap years of an average hitter certainly isn't a bad thing, and I'd also say that I'm taking a pessimistic view here, so...
I don't disagree with you, larry...
Why so hostile, man? Is it because Fernando Torres is just so damn good? What a cheeky little goal yesterday...
The cute little loft
Truth be told the pass from Stevie G was better, although poor defending played its part.
i'm sure there is a standard definition
I can't believe
You're really into picking nits, you know that?
i'm not breaking it down
Cheeky:
impudent; insolent: a cheeky fellow; cheeky behavior.
And Keith, beware: this weekend Larry corrected my usage of the term 'oh snap.'
you can't just be throwing oh snap around
Maybe you should've said:
That'd really bring things full circle. Let the healing begin.
Cheeky
I associate "cheeky" with something nifty, something 'neat'. Not that something special necessarily happened, but something -- I'm running out of words -- neat. If I could go back in time I would've gone with "cute" -- nothing special happened, you're right there, and Torres was basically doing what any striker (most likely) would've done in the same situation, but it was a soft little tap. Cheeky and cute in my mind.
And with that...
Another.
In his major-league PAs with 1-2 and 0-2 counts (100 instances), he's been HBP 11 times (roughly 11.0000% of them), meaning he's (temporarily at least) figured out a way to get on base on the worst batter's counts. His OB for at bats resolved on those counts is positively Youkilis-ian (¿Youki-Loosey-Goosey?). At some point, pitchers will become probabalistically less likely to jam him on those counts so they can claim back that edge, which will be, of course, what Quentin's hoping for...more pitches he has a chance to get the fat part of the bat on.
From what I can tell, no other contemporary batter is using this technique, certainly not Biggio or Utley (not that Utley needs any weird tricks), though perhaps Ryan Garko or David DeJesus.
Smart ballplayers tend to outlast average-intel players of the same talent, because they diversify their toolkit. Quentin could end up with a Gary Roenicke or John Lowenstein kind of career."
that's it!
Lowenstein!
I bet he's good with the girls, too.
Was he on anyone's radar screen before this trade?
Cowley, Gonalez BOTH wrote
Not.
Lowenstein! (cont)
Hey, he got a vote.
This is going to be much fun.
Lowenstein! (The final curtain)
Most Postions Homering (9) (including DH/PH) (tied with Rex Hudler)
[edit] Other Highlights
Had 1.000 Fielding Average in the outfield, 1970-1972 (78 Games), 1972 (58 games) , 1977 (39 games) and 1982(111 games)
Led American League Outfielders in Fielding Average (1.000) in 1982
[edit] Quotes
"He murders fastballs from the middle of the plate on in, but can slow up his stride enough to time a curve and line it to right-center... is rated an excellent clutch hitter... seems to enjoy contact with fences, and like Lou Piniella, he does not look pretty chasing fly balls." -- from the 1984 Scouting Report
If like Lowenstein he could be our answer to The Legend re: enjoying "contact with fences". And if he can homer from any position (like Kama Sutra) he'll play 150+ games.
I am feeling better all the time.
Another. OK. which one of you guys.....?
Man, I can't even get through that with a straight face."
Numbers don't compute with his analysis
Undisciplined??
Compared to two other young OFs (Ethier & Kemp), Quentin's minor league OBP suggests he is getting on base at an impressive clip.
Quentin: 1337 ABs, .413 OBP
Ethier: 1228 ABS, .384 OBP
Kemp: 1579 ABs, .359 OBP
So like Larry said, the guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
Maybe when he swung and missed
Another re Undisciplined.
As far as his 115 OPS+ in 2006 is concerned, he went 6 for 16 with 4 homers and 2 walks in his first 18 major league PA's. Then they stopped throwing him strikes. He had a .784 OPS the rest of the way, so he wasn't terrible, and I certainly believe he can and will be a better hitter than his 2007 numbers. But the reports of what he was doing in 2007 are accurate. Trust me."
The kid put up
As mentioned his minor numbers are very, very good. Even in a hitters league, they are above avg.
No my guess is KW comes out ahead on this one....
Where does he project in the line up?
Walk rates
Carlos Quentin: 7.9% and 7.2% first two mlb seasons.
Both had similarly excellent minor league walk rates and with experience one would imagine that they will both improve.
They also think that...
I still dont get the need to get rid of Crede.
Quentin isn't a CF'er...
prediction
And in turn, we ruin our offense...
My father used to say,
KW's not the only Eliot Ness GM:
At the time, the Reds were training in Plant City, Fla. Bowden frequently attended Milledge's high school games with Reds' scouts, comparing his bat speed to Kevin Mitchell's and Gary Sheffield's.
The Mets selected Milledge with the 12th pick of the 2003 draft, two selections before the Reds chose right-hander Ryan Wagner. But Bowden never stopped trying to get his man.
Two years later, Bowden tried to obtain Milledge for Brad Wilkerson, but instead traded Wilkerson to the Rangers in the Alfonso Soriano deal, thinking he could sign Soriano long-term.
The Nationals eventually lost Soriano as a free agent, but gained two compensation picks the following year, pitchers Jordan Zimmerman and Josh Smoker.
Just like Melvin Purvis, G-Man.
lastings...
Top Comps: Andruw Jones, Curt Flood
imagine a quentin-lastings-fuku outfield...
I think this may be Kenny's best trade ever...
Bruce LeVineLine reported earlier on ESPN 1000...
Possible 2008 lineup?
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Fields
C Pierzynski
LF Quentin
2B Richar
I haven't seen too much of Quentin...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Because of the 'ol veteran respect...
"JD's a pro's pro. He still moves well in right field and still has that cannon. JD will stay in right field with Carlos moving over to left field."
So what?
The problem isnt with JD its with Ozzie
by omnipotent grab on Dec 3, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Prediction...
Which sucks because...
I agree big time.
Take one for the team, Jermaine.
We have a proud tradition of
Didn't we all discuss the Sox going after...
I hope Not
* Steve Finley wants to play in 2008. The 42-year-old outfielder is in Nashville shopping his services and hopes to catch an opportunity.
phil rogers likes the deal
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html
YAY!!
Read a rumor on SoxTalk.com,
for
M. Owings SP
C. Jackson 1B
T. Pena RP
The root of it came from WSI, FWI
Because they saw their lineup in the playoffs
No offense...
And how does...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson makes Konerko look like
IMO, Konerko to Arizona happens.
Remember what Mr. Levine said.
Really a great trading partner.
bringing owings to the AL
Does he hit righty?
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
It's not even about Owings, its Jackson
Owings would be cake
Otherwise, Owings is Masset with options remaining.
Owings...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Is there any substance there?
That's robbery for the Sox. I'd make the deal for Pena and Jackson -- not that I think that much of either of the two guys in return, but I'd assume the Konerko money would go towards shoring up CF, and I'd view Jones + Pena + Jackson being worth more than Konerko.
so as currently constructed
We can revisit when KW finds the next obscure guy.
Well that's an interesting trade...
But setting aside talent evaluation (which I have no ability to judge), this was a good trade. A young OF with upside who should play now in majors is a very good fit for the Sox.
The really interesting thing is that if the use the "Hunter money" to sign a CF like Rowand or Jones, they will have no space for a speedy leadoff hitter.
Craziest OF ever?
It looks like the Rays decided enough was enough and simply salvaged what little they could after Dukes' latest incident in the Dominican Republic. Tampa Bay wanted to open up a roster spot anyway, so the player the team gets back probably won't be on the 40-man roster.
Source: Washington Post
All the Nationals give up for Dukes is a PTBNL...
Would your view change?
My question is what if the 06 White Sox led by a resurging Vasquez, made or won the 06 series?
Does anything change? I know what the typical fan thinks (even now they don't grasp the Young deal-either way), but what about this board?
Many said and felt like if 05 happened they could care less about the future but of course that's not true. But what if they were 2 time defending champs before the 07 bomb.
Personally I thought KW deserved praise for not accepting status quo in the title defense as most gms would seem to do. I certainly loved Young but I understood at the time.
Could the Sox payroll then substain the 125-130 million level?
Does BA get a longer look in 07 because of no grinder signing?
i had no problem with the deal
plenty of people had problems with this move at the time (i recall the squealing on this site) because everyone liked chris young so much. that's the price of upgrading your team, though.
Excellent question...
I forget my exact reaction at the time (probably "squealed" as Larry says), but it was not an indefensible trade. Acquiring a pitcher was not a bad idea & trading a minor league OF was not a bad idea. It just turns out trading Chris Young was a bad idea.
But Williams does deserve credit for putting together a better team, on paper, in 2006 than in 2005. Vazquez was better than El Duque (on paper going into 2006) and the Sox had every reason to expect a starter to get hurt in 2006 and thus need McCarthy as a 6th starter. Lamentably (?), no one actually got hurt enough to get pulled from the rotation -- they just pitched crappily.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
How many times are you in position to win the WS?
But, that's part of the reason the team has serious problems right now. A decision was made to keep that 2005 core intact and get additional veteran help, so we've gotten old and depleted the minors.
I agree totally...
Though Chris Young is a 5-tool player and likely a future all-star I think the Sox can find another toolsy CF either this year or next.
by Shoeless In SC on Dec 3, 2007 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
A little humor from BaseballThinkFactory.com
"Free agent Darin Erstad has received interest from the Padres, Mariners, Astros and Rays."
REPLY:
"The only way that sentence makes sense is if Erstad loaned those teams money."
It is funny....
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2007 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I just realized the run on OFers
First rounders Delmon Young, Lastings Milledge, and Carlos Quentin (drafted behind Anderson) were all traded within the last week...
Anderson or Sweeney will probably be moved at some point this year.
Michael Bourn was traded for Brad Lidge very early in the off-season.
And Reggie Willits or Matt Kemp figure to be in the Miguel Cabrera trade, depending on which LA team ponies up the pitching talent.
According to...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 3, 2007 5:29 PM CST reply actions
Yeah
I'm not too worried since it's his lead shoulder, from which a number of ML players have successfully recovered.
He really did play through it, at least for most of the year, which I think inflated his K total, and led some D'backs fans to characterize his swing as undisciplined, due to an inability to check his swing without (significant) pain.
He got it fixed as soon as the season was over, and should be close to fully recovered by ST.
Rotoworld
by Toonderstrook on Dec 3, 2007 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
how long does it usually take to recover
[rotoworld]:
I emailed Will Carroll
For a pitcher (or Toby Hall), I would expect 8 months of recovery time from labrum surgery, with 12 months being the time I expect them to return to (near) full health...
I subtracted a couple of months, down to 6, for Quentin....
Hanley Ramirez had Labrum surgery on his lead shoulder on October 3rd this year, and the Marlins expect him back by spring training. I don't see why we should expect much different.
Quentin's surgery is a bit more complicated since it also involved the rotator cuff, but...
Carroll says
New heartthrob
nah, maybe its just another "scotty"..
by Eternalkonflict on Dec 3, 2007 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Padres, Cubs, White Sox, and Dodgers...
The market for Fukudome, 30, is moving quickly, sources say, with the White Sox and Dodgers also showing significant interest. Fukudome, a left-handed hitter, would play right field for the Cubs, and could play center or an outfield corner for the Padres, Dodgers and White Sox. He played center for Japan in the World Baseball Classic.
The Padres envision Fukudome possibly replacing free agent Mike Cameron, who has told the team that he will not accept their offer of a one-year contract through salary arbitration.
Cameron, who turns 35 on Jan. 8, is entertaining multi-year offers from more than one club and continues to negotiate with the Padres.
Fukudome has not yet officially declared his intent to play in the majors next season. He is also considering an offer from the Tokyo Giants, the leading franchise in Japan, but is expected to sign with a major-league team.
Would be a pretty nice lineup...
CF Fukudome
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Fields
LF Quentin
C Pierzynski
2B Richar
I think Rowand is more likely
I had figured the Sox at about $115M, and I know you were thinking more around $100... The Quentin move allows them to be somewhere in the middle.
Which draft picks would be lost if Rowand signs
I think the 3rd round pick, the 2nd is alreadylost
...
Scott Linebrink 72.834 A
sox draft picks:
now:
1st round: protected
2nd round: brewers
if rowand signs:
1st round: protected
2nd round: phillies
3rd round: brewers
K Williams
Among the highlights, nothing of which was earth shattering...
- Just learned today and was suprised to find out the Sox had made the most trades in the last 5 years. Mr. Active himself.
- He views the Garland trade as him for Cab & Linebrink. He said wouldn't have been signed without it. Hmmm. So what does this mean as far as budgeted payroll and what is earmarked for what. Repeated his grindy attitude (oh lord) and smarts as being key.
- Pencils in Danks and Floyd in the 4-5 rotation spots. No surprise there.
- Believes the current staff is "working" hard which is why he extended them. (oh lord pt 2)
- Blames MJ (playfully of course) for the decline of blacks in baseball.

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