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BP's Goldstein Taking Draft Questions

Sealab_murphy_tiny by colintj on

[editor's note, by The Cheat] This is now your draft thread.

The chat is here and thus far he hasn't taken any White Sox questions, so I've posted a few with the hopes of getting his thoughts.  His mock draft has us taking th prep RHP Tim Alderson despite the fact that Rick Porcello (caveat: Boras client) and U-FLA star Matt Laporta, whom I've latched onto as a potential impact bat who could move quickly through the organization.  We haven't taken a position player in the first round in forever, so, despite Laporta's 1B/DH future, I hope that's who we roll.

Edit: I got my answer...

"Colin (Chicago): Another college pitcher for the Sox when their cupboard is totally bare when it comes to hitters? Everyone who can contribute as a hitter is at AAA and has seen action in the big leagues (with Fields just having been called up) with the exception of High-A Aaron Cunningham and Low-A Chris Carter. None of the above project to be stars. How can the Sox pass up a college masher like Laporta?

Kevin Goldstein: The mandate is a power arm. That's Alderson (who is high school). Matt LaPorta is a 1b/dh type, and the White Sox have plenty of those."

We have plenty of really really old ones, but none whom I'd actually peg as all star contributors 3 years from now, which is what Laporta very well could be. But then, what do I know. Still I'm somewhat unsatisfied with his answer.

Update [2007-6-7 12:58:18 by The Cheat]: The draft starts in an hour, televised on ESPN2 for the first time. In the past, picks took only 20-30 seconds, and they ended up getting through about 19 rounds on the first day. With the extra time (teams are now alloted 5 minutes), it's expected that they won't get past the 5th or 6th round today. This will have the effect of having some real talent who has slipped for whatever reason on the board at the end of Day 1. Teams will now be scrambling to work out some deals with guys who have slipped for above slot in those first two rounds on Day 2.

I expect the Sox to have no trouble signing their picks this year, as they only have 2 of the top 100. They should be able to toss some extra money at guys who have fallen. Callis has the Sox taking Justin Jackson (video), a HS SS and a bit of a reach (BA ranks him around the 50th best prospect), with their pick in the first round.

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It's a fair answer
LaPorta may be the best college hitter in the draft, but Kenny is at the helm of this draft and is looking to go away from the low-ceilinged arms we drafted in the last two drafts.

I like the sounds of an Alderson. He sounds like a guy the Twins would draft (thought they like College pitchers) good fastball, great control, good/developing secondary pitches. (Video)

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by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 4:38 PM CDT   0 recs

Is it just me
or does his motion seem kind of jerky? Any injury concerns with that?

On that clip what exactly are the two numbers in the blue box? Speed at release and speed at the plate or something?

-Jeeves Life in the Cell, a Sweet Home Sports site

by jeeves on Jun 6, 2007 5:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
he's got a different delivery. It's a concern, but only if he changes from that style.

numbers are what you think they are.

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by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 6:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bryan Smith's mock
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=398

has us taking Russell, who is a a reach because of strike zone issue, but has incredible power.

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by The Cheat on Jun 6, 2007 6:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Callis's take
25. White Sox. Chicago general manager Kenny Williams is demanding more high-ceiling talent, and his club holds out hope for a shot at Bumgarner that won't materialize. The White Sox' second choice appears to be Withrow, though the Phillies could ruin that for them. Plan C could be North Carolina prep shortstop Justin Jackson, Middlebrooks or Virginia prep righthander Neil Ramirez.

Projected Pick: Justin Jackson, ss, Roberson HS, Asheville, N.C.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

here
here's jackson's scouting report (video included)

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2007 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't view it from work
that's why I asked if someone could post it? Thanks

by Big Daddy Kool on Jun 7, 2007 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My initial thought as well
I'll post the scouting report directly of the guy we eventually draft. It's a waste of time/space to copy&paste a scouting report of a guy who we're either not likely to take, or isn't likely to be there at pick 25. It's so much of a crap shoot.
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The top 100 prospects
(according to MiLB.com) were viewed at least once by a scout, and posted here (use the drop down menu to choose another player)
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

shaffer
[merkin]
"I don't think it necessarily has changed. Philosophically, we are still trying to get the best player," said Duane Shaffer, the White Sox senior director of amateur scouting and one of the key individuals involved in the organization's drafting process. "One thing that has changed is we've incorporated high school kids, athletes with higher ceilings, a little more risk-reward type of guys."

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2007 12:19 PM CDT   0 recs

Finally Started
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Fuck You ESPN!
We could be complaining about the White Sox top pick by now. But you've killed everything that was good about the draft.

Put it on TV fine, but 5 FUCKING minutes, is forever when there's no chance of a trade and maybe one of these guys will be on a major league team next year.

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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 1:19 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah
this is really stupid. i've turned it off. i can't work with this crap on. i realize they need to extend the time to get in commercials and "analysis" of the pick but 2.5 minutes or so should suffice for that.

by larry on Jun 7, 2007 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Cubbies are up
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Cubs will take Vitters
my guess is at least the top 15 teams know who they are taking already, but ESPN will make them drag it out for 5 minutes so guys who just started doing their draft homework last week can tell us why they are important.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 1:26 PM CDT   0 recs

all i've heard
was that they were gonna take Parker but i guess you can never believe any sources. It would of been funny since his family are all big Sox fans
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yea i was shocked
that he was rated that high in the first round. Hell I never would of expected him to get drafted in the first round
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Blame KC
they had told everyone else for 2 weeks that they were taking Vitters, only to change their minds overnight.  The Cubs had already started negotiating with Parker, only to find out the guy they really wanted would be there after all.  This is 2 straight years the Royals have done this and I'm sure the other clubs hate them right now.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Expect only 6-10 rounds today
It will be a long, long day tomorrow.  I'll post any BA reports on Sox draftees as the picks are made.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 1:27 PM CDT   0 recs

let's see
6 picks in 30 minutes = 2 more hours to coplete the first round. Sox picking around 3:15, when they would usually have their first 8-9 picks done.
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 1:44 PM CDT   0 recs

will the sox
go for a risk/reward type pitcher or a position player/masher or best available. I've heard alot about Laporta.
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:44 PM CDT   0 recs

nevermind about laporta
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow
now that's a surprise. If there's one team that I didn't think LaPorta was going to it was the Brewers. Crazy.
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 1:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow
Very high pick.  I've heard some Matthew LeCroy comps on him!

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 1:51 PM CDT   0 recs

I bumped the draft thread
so it's on top for today

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2007 1:51 PM CDT   0 recs

its been college heavy
despite the 'experts' hype of all the h.s. kids.

sox are sure to have a shot at a high upside sr.

say that 5 times fast.

by Gus on Jun 7, 2007 1:58 PM CDT   0 recs

Parker to D-backs
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 1:59 PM CDT   0 recs

I heard the Sox were going to take...
Timothy Trundlebed.  Anyone else heard that?

*pretends to have a clue

Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Jun 7, 2007 2:05 PM CDT   0 recs

At least we got our Georgh Muresan moment
Was it worth the wait?

Well, no.

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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 2:20 PM CDT   0 recs

He's the top HS arm in the draft
probably the top HS arm since Beckett in '99. But he's a Boras client, and there are rumors of an 8 figure demand.

The Sox want a player like him, but they're not going to spend that much to sign him, though I do think they'll go above slot if necessary. They're just not going to go that much over the recomemded bonuses because of JR's relationship with Bud.

In other words, he'll go to the first big market team willing to pay and who doesn't mind feeling the heat of Bud. I'd guess the Rangers, Angels (I don't think they have a 1st rounder), Yankees, Red Sox are the likely destination.

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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 2:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Texas
has picks 17&24, the latter from LAA for GMJ.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Judging by pick 17
It looks like they don't think they can sign him. I also wouldn't rule out the Tigers, who had the best pitcher in last years draft fall in their laps. Illitch has said he'll spend anything to make the Tigers a contender. If that carries over to the draft, Porcello is the obvious choice.
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 2:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

pay the fuckin money!
Take Porcello!

The dude is fuckin' amazing.

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by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Won't happen.
(1) Boras client

(2) Won't take "slot" money.  Reinsdorf won't go against Selig on this issue.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 7, 2007 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There goes Withrow
The Sox wanted that guy

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 2:59 PM CDT   0 recs

yep
expect Jackson, hope for Porcello.

With it down to Jays, Giants, Padres, Rangers before the Sox pick, I'm feeling more confident that Porcello will be there. If the Sox really have changed their draft philosophy, he'd be there pick. I don't expect that to happen, however.

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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but shaffer said
we haven't changed our draft philosophy. but we have changed it by looking at more high school players, higher-ceiling guys, and so on. but we haven't changed it because we're still looking for the best available player. we've just changed how we define that. but no change.

by larry on Jun 7, 2007 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Porcello!!!
please God
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:08 PM CDT   0 recs

No Alderson for us
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 3:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Alderson to SF
I could see us taking Michael Main.  He fits that power arm mandate.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:10 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm getting nervous
that we're gonna fall for this slap hitting speedy latino grinder who doesn't walk (Borbon). We already have three of them (except the latino part) and none of them can play. If we take anybody but him I'll be happy. Please Kenny don't do it. Porcello, Smoker, Main, Harvey are all top 20 guys according to BA. Please take one of them.

by bhoov on Jun 7, 2007 3:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Funny
I was reading BA's report on Borbon, and he sounds like he would be Julijerry Borbowens.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Alright, are we up yet or what?
I hope we get Vance Hollywood!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Jun 7, 2007 3:14 PM CDT   0 recs

Good
Glad we didn't set suckered into Schmidt from Arkansas.  Our last big Razorback pick was the extraordinary Danny Wright.

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Poop
There goes Main at 24

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Fuckin Main
takes an option away
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Frickin commercials
WHAT'S a Chuck Liddell?

by marco054 on Jun 7, 2007 3:23 PM CDT   0 recs

the central is an arms race
KW, an arms race!!!! porcello or bust!

by beautox on Jun 7, 2007 3:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Would love Porcello
but would take Smoker.

by bhoov on Jun 7, 2007 3:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Porcello
or Harvey!
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Porcello has 4 pitches
And he can top out at 96, maine had 2. I think porcello is the better choice.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 7, 2007 3:25 PM CDT   0 recs

poreda?
close to porcello

by larry on Jun 7, 2007 3:26 PM CDT   0 recs

BA says
37. Aaron Poreda, lhp
School: San Francisco. Class: Jr.
B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-6. Wt.: 240. Birthdate: 10/1/86.
Scouting Report: Poreda wasn't on the radar screen in high school; he focused more on football as a defensive end/tight end. He did pitch a bit, even tossing a no-hitter, but was awkward and had suspect arm action. In three seasons at San Francisco working with pitching coach Greg Moore, however, he has developed into a first-round candidate and one of the nation's hardest-throwing lefthanders. Poreda works off the fastball almost as much as UC Riverside's James Simmons (No. 47), and like Simmons, it's his only above-average pitch. While his fastball was flat and 89-90 mph in his 2007 opener, he has been consistently in the low 90s since then, touching 96-97 and regularly hitting 94. He throws plenty of strikes (though he lacks true command), and with his 6-foot-6, 240-pound frame, he should prove durable. He doesn't pitch as downhill as he should at his size, in part because of his low three-quarters arm slot. Poreda's arm action and lower slot make his breaking ball a fringe-average pitch at best, though it has improved. He has the makings of a changeup but hasn't thrown it much, sticking to his fastball. He had experimented with a higher slot to aid his breaking ball, but the move cost his fastball some of its late life and was back to his old slot.

W     L     ERA     G     SV     IP     H     BB     SO
7     6     2.89     14     0     100     93     18     66

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Oh, great...
a former football player and yet ANOTHER guy that is gigantic and throws a really fast fastball but not much else.  I bet he's gonna end up being the Aaron Rowand of pitchers.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Jun 7, 2007 3:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Holy crap
my cable goes out for 20 minutes and this is what I get to come back too?

A guy with one pitch who didn't come close to striking out a batter per inning in College? That sure does sound like a change from the guys we've selected previously who recorded strikeouts in college, but didn't have stuff.

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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your cable out too?
Mine's been out for about 3 hours.

Just got it back.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jun 7, 2007 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not mad
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by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

we picked gavin floyd?
isn't he already in charlotte?

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2007 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

milb.com's
scouting report

Fastball: Poreda's only true pitch, but it's plus-plus. He gained 6-7 mph on it this season and was throwing it comfortably at 95-96 mph.

by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2007 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Poreda is a lhp
who has trouble getting out left handed hitters.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 7, 2007 3:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Hahahahaha.
You either lead or follow!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Jun 7, 2007 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

God Forbid
We ever pick someone who has talent/potential.

by omnipotent grab on Jun 7, 2007 4:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree -
Think I'll go visit the dentist next... so numb I won't need any pain killers

by Brush Back on Jun 7, 2007 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

John Manuel's comment
White Sox Add Power Arm

Posted Jun. 7, 2007 3:30 pm by John Manuel
Filed under: Draft Day: June 7   

After two years of taking pitchers better known for strike-throwing rather than stuff, the White Sox took San Francisco lefty Aaron Poreda, who instantly becomes one of if not the hardest thrower in the organization. He's topped out at 97 mph and has a big, physical frame, and fits in with the organization's appreciation of lefthanders.

Imagine a future White Sox rotation with lefties John Danks, Mark Buehrle, Gio Gonzalez and Poreda in it . . . that's not bad.

The A's probably are fuming that Poreda's off the board because he fills up the strike zone with power stuff, and would have been a nice find at 26. The A's have taken high school players high the last couple of years, and Georgia lefty Josh Smoker-whose stock fell in late May-is the highest-ranked non-Boras client on the board.

by indianguy30 on Jun 7, 2007 3:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Poreda
sounds like Matt Thornton to me.  

by Bull Pain on Jun 7, 2007 3:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Ugh
and Porcello *WILL* be signed by Detroit
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by The Cheat on Jun 7, 2007 3:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Fuckin Tigers
They're stacked with Porcello
AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Jun 7, 2007 3:37 PM CDT   0 recs