Floyd to the pen
Gavin Floyd is going to the bullpen. Here's Coop:
Ozzie says the Sox aren't going to sell low:
The Angels want Paulie? Well, Kenny "is asking for the house in return." And Ozzie predicts how the negotiations will go:
In other news,
- Roland Hemond was named assistant to the Arizona Diamondbacks president.
- Also, according to reports out of Buffalo, where Triple-A Charlotte currently is playing, Erstad was a late scratch from Wednesday's contest after feeling some stiffness in his neck following batting practice. Erstad reportedly had difficulty lifting his head when he was taking fly balls.
- Steve Stone will replace DJ in the booth for the six-game homestand from August 7-12.
- The Mariners are pursuing Jon Garland. Phil Rogers says Former White Sox assistant GM Dan Evans, now a top assistant to Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, absolutely loves everything about Garland. Mark Gonzalez says the Yankees are still in the mix as well (and reviews other rumors).
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Difficulty lifting his head?
Has Hawk ever teamed with Steve Stone?
Hawk isn't anti-Semetic, is he?
Garland...
I love the mlbtraderumors posters...Garland has bad peripherals so he's not worth as much as Wandy Rodriguez.
If Linebrink brings in 3 prospects (one a B pitching prospect), Garland should command significant talent.
Agreed
Who has more wins than Garland over the past 3 seasons? Um, about 4 guys, if I remember (though my memory is faulty).
Obviously...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
NO decent pitchers are available.
The need us a hell of alot more than we need them.
Even Rotoworld is ripping on Ozzie and Hawk now...
If you listed to Ozzie Guillen or, gulp, Hawk Harrelson, Owens has stepped up in a big way lately and just might be the White Sox's center fielder in 2008 and beyond. The numbers, though, don't show it. Owens is batting .254/.319/.270 in 63 at-bats since the All-Star break. The White Sox might as well play him over Darin Erstad after Erstad comes off the DL, but he's still looking like a long-term fifth outfielder.
That quote by Guillen...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
Diversionary tactics.
Ozzie doesn't want the Sox
It actually makes sense to me...
It looks like Ozzie is saying that he would be happy if the Angels were interested in trading for Sox players because Ozzie seems to understand that the Angels have good prospects. But Ozzie is also admitting that Kenny would ask for too many of these prospects in return for his own players so Ozzie doesn't forsee any deals getting done between the Sox and the Angels.
I think it goes like this
if you're talking about the Angels quote
Sigh...
In any case, if we trade him we're left with 2 quality starters, 1 old man, 1 possible #3 starter who is still inconsistent enough to be in doubt, latest start notwithstanding, and 1 certifiable Big Black 5 starter hole at the end of the rotation.(2004 anyone?) We don't have anyone to fill that. Haeger, Floyd, and Masset are all either not ready/never will be ready/bad, respectively, and DLS is in high-A. There's probably someone I'm missing, but I doubt they're any good this year either. We would have to get at least 1 major-league quality pitch(er/ing prospect, which defeats the whole purpose. (A similar argument applies for Javy) A better idea would be to trade Mack/Cintron. That's an overused idea, but if we packaged them, I'm sure someone desperate for utility players would take them (The Giants could use some players who aren't on Medicare as insurance, tho I don't know anything about their farm system.)</ramble>
2. Roland Hemond still exists? The first(and only) time I heard of him before today was in a book of White Sox history, written the year of the Reinsdorf takeover (1988/9? Anyway, it all happened before I was born)
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
You're forgetting...
Mackowiak and Cintron are tradeable, but they won't bring back anything worth noting. Think Jon Adkins.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Egbert...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i certainly hope not
Russell projects as a reliever
Egbert, from all accounts, appears to be a guy that will be a starter long term. Perhaps a 3-4 at best, but a starter nonetheless.
There has been speculation that he could be of use in the White Sox bullpen right now, but I don't think he's a long term reliever at all.
Well,
W/Garland traded
#2(MB),#1(JV),#5(Count, due to the death of his arm), #4/5(Danks),#2/3(Egbert or Gonzalez)
W/JV traded
#2(MB),#2(JG),#5(Count),#4-5(Danks),#2/3(E/G)
I have Danks as a #4/5, because that's what I've heard most often, and I also haven't heard anything higher then a #3 type guy. He hasn't really impressed me with his stuff, save on a few occasions, and he seems to have very little stamina compared to the rest of the starters(A subject touched earlier).
I'm a bit of a classicist in my roation preference, because I prefer a true #1, instead of projected/prospect #1. Obviously, it can work either way.
(Disclaimer)This is in no way a particularly well-informed opinion, and is based solely on my opinion. Share feedback.
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Goldstein says "above average starter"
1)Buehrle - he'll probably be more like a 3-starter at this point
2)Vazquez/Danks - whether or not Vazquez will be there is dependent on DLS' readiness. Javy could still be a legit #2, as he's actually increased his K rate and decrease his BB rate this year in a hitter's park. That definitely bodes well going forward
3)Danks/Gio - Gio should be on his second turn through the majors at this point, though I'm not sure if that means he'll be more of a 4 or a 3. Keeping Vazquez makes it matter much less
4)Gio/Egbert - Egbert is probably more ready to have immediate and sustained success because of his groundballing ways, good control and age. He's leapt across the injury nexus already, which means he's by far the most certain of the four to be what we hope he can be. We should definitely keep in mind that the other three are still highly susceptible at this point in their careers.
5)Egbert/DLS - My guess is that if DLS is ready to pitch, he'll be better than a 5, because his stuff is so good and he's demonstrated good control thus far.
In any case, even if we lose both Garland and Contreras, we should still be in a position where we have the depth to handle it. On another note, Poreda has been dominant in his short stint in rookie ball so far, with 17 K's/1 BB and a 75% GB rate. Looks like they're limiting his innings by using him out of the bullpen this year, which is probably not a bad idea.
Hey, just what I wanted!
And: damn right we're asking for the house. Paulie's signed at 12 mil a year! He'd probably guarantee the Angels the division crown and make them significant contenders come October.
Realistically,
When's he signed thru? How much?
I ask because of Rogers note re. on Ty Wigginton ChicagoSports.com.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/07/cubs-eye-wiggin.html
realistically?
Mackowiak...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They do...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm...
Egbert is at A-,A+,AA? I don't know where he is, but I'm a bit wary of promotions from A ball, because it's a huge difference from AA. If he is in AA, then it's a bit easier to see that, but he's still a prospect. And prospects, by definition, are liable to fail. (Remember how excited everyone was about Jason Grilli? Arnie Munoz? Kris Honel?Britt Burns?) They don't always flop immediately, but they ARE extremely volatile.
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
How did that happen?
Is the AL that bad this year? We got pummelled in the interleague games.
No
The AL is much better than the NL. I figure the Sox would be a .500 team in the NL Central and if Konerko could play like SS.
But we're still playing shitty baseball
Must be Jesse.
Mack
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
LOL, do the Mets and Giants get to share Macko?
just playful ribbing
OK, that explains it.
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
No, actually...
The Sox should be able to round out their rotation just fine without Garland.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Birmingham
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Charlotte is a hitter's park
why does everyone say Charlotte is a
It just is.
The ball flies in Charlotte.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It just is?
He comes up and faces MLB pitching for the first time, and hit's 8 in 160+ ABs up here (home and road).
I'd think he'd be hitting them at a much higher rate/AB at Charlotte if it's such a bandbox.
why?
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pf.html
Oops
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
I guess it's possible......
rumors, rumors, rumors
# The Twins could go into a dumping mode after their recent slide, which has left them closer to the bottom of the AL Central than the top. It's a total longshot but executives with other organizations don't rule out Minnesota moving one of its pitching studs, Johan Santana or Joe Nathan. Both of those guys are eligible for free agency after next season. Torii Hunter might also be in play. This is the time for GM Terry Ryan to determine what it will take to keep him off the free agent market this winter.
# The recent pitching problems have caused Angels GM Bill Stoneman to reassess his stand-pat approach with his lineup. According to a source, he is now aggressively looking for a bat. Paul Konerko seems unlikely, but Stoneman might deal from his stable of prospects for Miguel Tejada, Jermaine Dye or even Mike Piazza. Tejada is due off the DL this weekend, giving scouts only a few days to assess his health and play. It wouldn't be a shock if Andy MacPhail traded him, assuming he gets a good offer.
# Yes, the White Sox and Mets do have the potential for a blockbuster. In addition to Contreras or Vazquez (maybe even Jon Garland), the Mets have kicked the tires on Dye and Tadahito Iguchi. But the Sox scouts appear to have spent more time checking out the Yankees' system than the Mets.
this one is funny!
There's going to be a flurry of moves before the deadline this year, including some that have the potential to qualify as genuine blockbusters."
Hobby is doing a great job this season...
I don't think I would
Vazquez is signed at a reasonable rate and long term and is pitching like a top 10 AL starter. The Mets would have to give up more than their #3 OF prospect and their #2 pitching prospect. I know that seems like a lot, but this isn't a rental and prospects aren't sure things.
You are probably right that it's time to sell high on Vazquez, but I hate to give up the only strikeout pitcher on the staff.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We're in agreement about Pelfrey
I still like Milledge a lot, and it really seems like the Sox and Mets would make a great fit, but so far nothing. I would trade both Dye and Iguchi for Milledge alone. I understand that the Mets would only be getting a combined six months of Dye and Iguchi, but both figure to be upgrades on the Mets (I guess Gotay + Easley vs Iguchi is debatable, but I'd bet on Iguchi's performance of the past two seasons vs the former two). Post ASB Dye would also be one of the better hitters on the Mets.
I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure Pelfrey is coming up
Santana
by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Do not sell low on Contreras.
I've been researching therapists for him.
more garland
would i be nuts
by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
i think they are really high on Victorino
Maybe get Bourn for MacD and a Phillips?
gio is feeling it baby! oneli too
oneli: 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 HR, 4 K, 0 BB, 1.88 ERA
For you Owens haters
Who hates him?
by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
"Owens haters"
Not figuring
by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 11:42 PM CDT reply actions
and Byrnes
by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Pelphrey= Floyd...
by DrBox on Jul 27, 2007 8:22 AM CDT reply actions
Mack
Then again, $3 million is a lot of dough.
Only when it buys Pods,
Hey, that IS a lot of $!
Yep...
Why oh why didn't I try harder when I was playing high school ball? Instead...a life in "Corporateland."
Then again, playing baseball is a terrible grind for these guys. The long season, being on the road, etc.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha! Who are they kiddin'? What a frickin' life.
I'm ready to pass the hat for them
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Dr. Evil says...
(Insert evil laugh here)
Braves make tempting offer to Rangers...
The Rangers evidently would receive three highly regarded young players -- catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class AA left-hander Matt Harrison and Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus -- while sending the Braves only Teixeira.
Wow. If this is true, Kenny should really be thinking about trading Konerko, even though he is one of our only good bats.
Well...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Teixeira is obviously better than Konerko...
I don't know if...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Like Thome, only...
If the Sox sent along a good chunk of cash, like the Phillies did, it's likely that they'd get a very good prospect or two.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they do...
Problem is...
A team (like the Angels) that trades for Paul Konerko is really only interested in what he can provide for them in 2007 and 2008. The fact that he's under contract beyond that might even reduce his trade value.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
the way the angels throw around money
I have to believe you don't 86 the guy
Jon/Mack/etc. totally believable, but not Paulie. 2 untouchables - Mark and Paulie. They are true Reinsdorf employees because of longevity, loyalty (signing below market - yes, JRE, below market), and basically never ripping the boss in public.
The rest are here until something better comes along. N'est pas?
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
OK -
Was that a decent recovery?
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty surprising
How pathetic does Ozzie sound in this article?
Manager insists his velocity is OK, says command is concern"
So Ozzie, you kill any trade value that Contreras has left by hanging him out to dry in his starts to give up more and more runs. Now, you try to save face by saying that Contreras' velocity looks good and that he should still have good trade value with scouts? Pretty sad.
Tigers Blog (Blah-g)
Yesterday's game thread had 10, count them, 10 total comments. Although I did enjoy one exasperated fan who wrote:
JOSH $%#! FIELDS???
This guy has KILLED us. We get beat by Josh Fields and Scott Podsednik??? This is unreal!
They do have The Internet in Michigan, right?
I'm pretty sure most Tigers fans
A) Older than Ernie Harwell, and therefore are terrified of the internet
or
B) Frat pricks from Birmingham with BMW's that do their interneting for them.
the remainder are pretty cool though
No - laid off from Ford, GM,
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
"Frat pricks"
Love it.
At the game Monday I was surrounded by a couple of Tiger-fan families. They were an oddly quiet group (probably afraid a Sox fan might "cut" them), but every once in awhile someone would pipe up (quietly) and say something like:
"Buehrle is stupid for pitching to Sheffield. He should walk him."
Then when Sheffield struck out...
"Buehrle was lucky that time."
Nice enough...just seemed like a group of numb nuts.
haha
to Sox fans.
I used to got to the old Tiger Stadium when I was in college, and it was a LOT like the Old Comiskey - stadium was dark and dirty, lots of serious drinking, lots of brawls, lots of action. You know how Cubbie fans throw paper cups and hot dog wrappers on the field when they don't like an umps call? I was at one game Tiger Stadium, someone threw a KEG on the field from the bleachers. The guy got a standing ovation.
Comerica is a lot like new Comiskey, all sanitized and corporate. Not nearly as dangerous - or fun.
I'd bet Cleveland is more or less the same way
For the record, Tiger Stadium ruled.
Hey, how did you get ahold
Josh Fields...
Now getting beat by Podsednik, I can see that being frustrating.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrap your arms around it. JRE:
Though the Cambodian fans might not like it much...
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps even...
(for you "Facts of Life" fans)
tailgater
http://www.chicagocornholeclassic.com/
BWAHAHAHAHA
And juxtaposed on the Cornhole as is a "Fathers helping fathers" ad.
How about a NAMBLA ad, too?
yeah
Sicko me,
Not two qualities generally associated with those in the business of arguing for a living.
Kenny Lofton traded to the Indians...
Details to come.
That's pretty cool...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Rotoworld thinks that...
Good news for those who want Wily Mo Pena...
The Red Sox were rumored to want Salomon Torres for Wily Mo Pena last week but this may change things. Both the Pirates and the White Sox were said to be interested in trading for Pena.
Well, big man, you can't spell Willie or
;)
by winningugly on Jul 27, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really want Wily Mo Pena...
But let me ask you this
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Fast enough to get caught stealing all the time...
How is his throwing arm?
Excellent...
Frankly, I'm not sure about him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not much...
Unlike Sosa, I don't think that Pena is going to amount to much. He's actually regressed during his time in the majors.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to trade someone
How is his throwing arm?
Weird... double entry on my question
he is awful
by tubesox on Jul 27, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
His range is bad
Also, the Red Sox may...
If only Riske was still here
Bukvich for Pena!
Anyone going to see The Simpsons Movie tonight? (With apologies to the Pena/sosa comparison:)
It's like Casablanca, Citizen Kane, and The Godfather, except it's really like Gigli.
No, really, I bet it's hysterical. Even the WSJ loves it, Krusty bastards they.
Unfortunately, Bukvich probably isn't enough...
I saw The Simpsons Movie last night at midnight. I fell asleep numerous times during it. I was pretty tired though. I still didn't think that it was all that great. Definitely a "wait for DVD" movie.
Yep.
The Red Sox might listen if the Sox offered Aardsma, but I'm wondering if it's not still too soon to give up on him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 27, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
As Jimmy Serrano the heroin dealer
Im sick and tired of the Simpsons
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry about the rant
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
WOOT!!
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
great
lol
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly what I thought
However, South Park's parody was excellent.

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