Floyd to the pen
Gavin Floyd is going to the bullpen. Here's Coop:
Ozzie says the Sox aren't going to sell low:
The Angels want Paulie? Well, Kenny "is asking for the house in return." And Ozzie predicts how the negotiations will go:
In other news,
- Roland Hemond was named assistant to the Arizona Diamondbacks president.
- Also, according to reports out of Buffalo, where Triple-A Charlotte currently is playing, Erstad was a late scratch from Wednesday's contest after feeling some stiffness in his neck following batting practice. Erstad reportedly had difficulty lifting his head when he was taking fly balls.
- Steve Stone will replace DJ in the booth for the six-game homestand from August 7-12.
- The Mariners are pursuing Jon Garland. Phil Rogers says Former White Sox assistant GM Dan Evans, now a top assistant to Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, absolutely loves everything about Garland. Mark Gonzalez says the Yankees are still in the mix as well (and reviews other rumors).
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Difficulty lifting his head?
by winningugly on Jul 26, 2007 3:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Its a cover up
by marco054 on
Jul 26, 2007 3:59 PM CDT
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Take some Vitamin V and get out there!!!!!
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 4:40 PM CDT
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Has Hawk ever teamed with Steve Stone?
by hscs on Jul 26, 2007 4:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Hawk isn't anti-Semetic, is he?
by winningugly on
Jul 26, 2007 4:42 PM CDT
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Hawk: "Tell me Steve,
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 4:49 PM CDT
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LOL!
BWAHAHAHA! Oy!
by winningugly on
Jul 26, 2007 4:52 PM CDT
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She vacuums at least once a month....
by winningugly on
Jul 26, 2007 4:55 PM CDT
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Garland...
I love the mlbtraderumors posters...Garland has bad peripherals so he's not worth as much as Wandy Rodriguez.
If Linebrink brings in 3 prospects (one a B pitching prospect), Garland should command significant talent.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 4:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Agreed
Who has more wins than Garland over the past 3 seasons? Um, about 4 guys, if I remember (though my memory is faulty).
by winningugly on
Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT
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Obviously...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT
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NO decent pitchers are available.
The need us a hell of alot more than we need them.
by ballyb on
Jul 26, 2007 4:53 PM CDT
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Even Rotoworld is ripping on Ozzie and Hawk now...
If you listed to Ozzie Guillen or, gulp, Hawk Harrelson, Owens has stepped up in a big way lately and just might be the White Sox's center fielder in 2008 and beyond. The numbers, though, don't show it. Owens is batting .254/.319/.270 in 63 at-bats since the All-Star break. The White Sox might as well play him over Darin Erstad after Erstad comes off the DL, but he's still looking like a long-term fifth outfielder.
by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2007 4:30 PM CDT 0 recs
Wiz, what happened to wizardofsox?
by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT 0 recs
Huh?
by mjthor on
Jul 26, 2007 4:52 PM CDT
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you're kidding? uh..you're not, are you?
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 8:16 PM CDT
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That quote by Guillen...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT 0 recs
Diversionary tactics.
by ballyb on
Jul 26, 2007 5:03 PM CDT
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Ozzie doesn't want the Sox
by hscs on
Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT
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of course
by hscs on
Jul 26, 2007 5:26 PM CDT
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It actually makes sense to me...
It looks like Ozzie is saying that he would be happy if the Angels were interested in trading for Sox players because Ozzie seems to understand that the Angels have good prospects. But Ozzie is also admitting that Kenny would ask for too many of these prospects in return for his own players so Ozzie doesn't forsee any deals getting done between the Sox and the Angels.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 26, 2007 5:53 PM CDT
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I think it's the Southtown Ozzie
by hscs on
Jul 26, 2007 5:59 PM CDT
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I think it goes like this
if you're talking about the Angels quote
by The Wizard on
Jul 26, 2007 7:40 PM CDT
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Sigh...
In any case, if we trade him we're left with 2 quality starters, 1 old man, 1 possible #3 starter who is still inconsistent enough to be in doubt, latest start notwithstanding, and 1 certifiable Big Black 5 starter hole at the end of the rotation.(2004 anyone?) We don't have anyone to fill that. Haeger, Floyd, and Masset are all either not ready/never will be ready/bad, respectively, and DLS is in high-A. There's probably someone I'm missing, but I doubt they're any good this year either. We would have to get at least 1 major-league quality pitch(er/ing prospect, which defeats the whole purpose. (A similar argument applies for Javy) A better idea would be to trade Mack/Cintron. That's an overused idea, but if we packaged them, I'm sure someone desperate for utility players would take them (The Giants could use some players who aren't on Medicare as insurance, tho I don't know anything about their farm system.)</ramble>
2. Roland Hemond still exists? The first(and only) time I heard of him before today was in a book of White Sox history, written the year of the Reinsdorf takeover (1988/9? Anyway, it all happened before I was born)
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT 0 recs
You're forgetting...
Mackowiak and Cintron are tradeable, but they won't bring back anything worth noting. Think Jon Adkins.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 5:05 PM CDT
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and jack egbert
by larry on
Jul 26, 2007 5:06 PM CDT
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Doesn't Egbert...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 5:09 PM CDT
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i certainly hope not
by larry on
Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT
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Russell projects as a reliever
Egbert, from all accounts, appears to be a guy that will be a starter long term. Perhaps a 3-4 at best, but a starter nonetheless.
There has been speculation that he could be of use in the White Sox bullpen right now, but I don't think he's a long term reliever at all.
by wite on
Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT
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Well,
W/Garland traded
#2(MB),#1(JV),#5(Count, due to the death of his arm), #4/5(Danks),#2/3(Egbert or Gonzalez)
W/JV traded
#2(MB),#2(JG),#5(Count),#4-5(Danks),#2/3(E/G)
I have Danks as a #4/5, because that's what I've heard most often, and I also haven't heard anything higher then a #3 type guy. He hasn't really impressed me with his stuff, save on a few occasions, and he seems to have very little stamina compared to the rest of the starters(A subject touched earlier).
I'm a bit of a classicist in my roation preference, because I prefer a true #1, instead of projected/prospect #1. Obviously, it can work either way.
(Disclaimer)This is in no way a particularly well-informed opinion, and is based solely on my opinion. Share feedback.
by evilcookie on
Jul 26, 2007 5:37 PM CDT
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Goldstein says "above average starter"
1)Buehrle - he'll probably be more like a 3-starter at this point
2)Vazquez/Danks - whether or not Vazquez will be there is dependent on DLS' readiness. Javy could still be a legit #2, as he's actually increased his K rate and decrease his BB rate this year in a hitter's park. That definitely bodes well going forward
3)Danks/Gio - Gio should be on his second turn through the majors at this point, though I'm not sure if that means he'll be more of a 4 or a 3. Keeping Vazquez makes it matter much less
4)Gio/Egbert - Egbert is probably more ready to have immediate and sustained success because of his groundballing ways, good control and age. He's leapt across the injury nexus already, which means he's by far the most certain of the four to be what we hope he can be. We should definitely keep in mind that the other three are still highly susceptible at this point in their careers.
5)Egbert/DLS - My guess is that if DLS is ready to pitch, he'll be better than a 5, because his stuff is so good and he's demonstrated good control thus far.
In any case, even if we lose both Garland and Contreras, we should still be in a position where we have the depth to handle it. On another note, Poreda has been dominant in his short stint in rookie ball so far, with 17 K's/1 BB and a 75% GB rate. Looks like they're limiting his innings by using him out of the bullpen this year, which is probably not a bad idea.
by colintj on
Jul 27, 2007 2:28 AM CDT
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Hey, just what I wanted!
And: damn right we're asking for the house. Paulie's signed at 12 mil a year! He'd probably guarantee the Angels the division crown and make them significant contenders come October.
by colintj on Jul 26, 2007 5:01 PM CDT 0 recs
Realistically,
When's he signed thru? How much?
I ask because of Rogers note re. on Ty Wigginton ChicagoSports.com.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/07/cubs-eye-wiggin.html
by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 5:01 PM CDT 0 recs
realistically?
by larry on
Jul 26, 2007 5:06 PM CDT
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Mackowiak...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 5:07 PM CDT
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They do...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 5:11 PM CDT
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Hmm...
Egbert is at A-,A+,AA? I don't know where he is, but I'm a bit wary of promotions from A ball, because it's a huge difference from AA. If he is in AA, then it's a bit easier to see that, but he's still a prospect. And prospects, by definition, are liable to fail. (Remember how excited everyone was about Jason Grilli? Arnie Munoz? Kris Honel?Britt Burns?) They don't always flop immediately, but they ARE extremely volatile.
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:13 PM CDT 0 recs
he's at birmingham, just like gio
by larry on
Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT
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How did that happen?
Is the AL that bad this year? We got pummelled in the interleague games.
by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT 0 recs
No
The AL is much better than the NL. I figure the Sox would be a .500 team in the NL Central and if Konerko could play like SS.
by wite on
Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT
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But we're still playing shitty baseball
Must be Jesse.
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 5:19 PM CDT
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IF
It's been awhile since I calculated "games back in THE ALL IMPORTANT LOSS COLUMN."
by ballyb on
Jul 26, 2007 5:23 PM CDT
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Mack
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT 0 recs
LOL, do the Mets and Giants get to share Macko?
just playful ribbing
by wite on
Jul 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT
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OK, that explains it.
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT 0 recs
No, actually...
The Sox should be able to round out their rotation just fine without Garland.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT
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Birmingham
by evilcookie on
Jul 26, 2007 5:28 PM CDT
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Charlotte is a hitter's park
by jeeves on
Jul 26, 2007 6:11 PM CDT
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why does everyone say Charlotte is a
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 6:15 PM CDT
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It just is.
The ball flies in Charlotte.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jul 26, 2007 6:21 PM CDT
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It just is?
He comes up and faces MLB pitching for the first time, and hit's 8 in 160+ ABs up here (home and road).
I'd think he'd be hitting them at a much higher rate/AB at Charlotte if it's such a bandbox.
by ChicagoPete on
Jul 26, 2007 6:26 PM CDT
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why?
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pf.html
by larry on
Jul 26, 2007 6:29 PM CDT
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are those normalized across all leagues?
by colintj on
Jul 27, 2007 2:30 AM CDT
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Oops
by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT 0 recs
I guess it's possible......
by stanchar on Jul 26, 2007 6:01 PM CDT 0 recs
rumors, rumors, rumors
# The Twins could go into a dumping mode after their recent slide, which has left them closer to the bottom of the AL Central than the top. It's a total longshot but executives with other organizations don't rule out Minnesota moving one of its pitching studs, Johan Santana or Joe Nathan. Both of those guys are eligible for free agency after next season. Torii Hunter might also be in play. This is the time for GM Terry Ryan to determine what it will take to keep him off the free agent market this winter.
# The recent pitching problems have caused Angels GM Bill Stoneman to reassess his stand-pat approach with his lineup. According to a source, he is now aggressively looking for a bat. Paul Konerko seems unlikely, but Stoneman might deal from his stable of prospects for Miguel Tejada, Jermaine Dye or even Mike Piazza. Tejada is due off the DL this weekend, giving scouts only a few days to assess his health and play. It wouldn't be a shock if Andy MacPhail traded him, assuming he gets a good offer.
# Yes, the White Sox and Mets do have the potential for a blockbuster. In addition to Contreras or Vazquez (maybe even Jon Garland), the Mets have kicked the tires on Dye and Tadahito Iguchi. But the Sox scouts appear to have spent more time checking out the Yankees' system than the Mets.
by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 7:55 PM CDT 0 recs
this one is funny!
There's going to be a flurry of moves before the deadline this year, including some that have the potential to qualify as genuine blockbusters."
by The Wizard on
Jul 26, 2007 7:58 PM CDT
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Hobby is doing a great job this season...
by SSH2005 on
Jul 26, 2007 8:16 PM CDT
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I don't think I would
Vazquez is signed at a reasonable rate and long term and is pitching like a top 10 AL starter. The Mets would have to give up more than their #3 OF prospect and their #2 pitching prospect. I know that seems like a lot, but this isn't a rental and prospects aren't sure things.
You are probably right that it's time to sell high on Vazquez, but I hate to give up the only strikeout pitcher on the staff.
by hitlesswonder on
Jul 26, 2007 8:27 PM CDT
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We're in agreement about Pelfrey
I still like Milledge a lot, and it really seems like the Sox and Mets would make a great fit, but so far nothing. I would trade both Dye and Iguchi for Milledge alone. I understand that the Mets would only be getting a combined six months of Dye and Iguchi, but both figure to be upgrades on the Mets (I guess Gotay + Easley vs Iguchi is debatable, but I'd bet on Iguchi's performance of the past two seasons vs the former two). Post ASB Dye would also be one of the better hitters on the Mets.
by CWSKeith on
Jul 26, 2007 11:31 PM CDT
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I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure Pelfrey is coming up
by colintj on
Jul 27, 2007 2:32 AM CDT
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Santana
by hitlesswonder on
Jul 26, 2007 8:29 PM CDT
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Do not sell low on Contreras.
by ballyb on
Jul 26, 2007 8:36 PM CDT
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dies of old age
by larry on
Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT
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I've been researching therapists for him.
by ballyb on
Jul 27, 2007 10:48 AM CDT
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that is so depressing to think about
by colintj on
Jul 27, 2007 10:52 AM CDT
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more garland
by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 8:08 PM CDT 0 recs
would i be nuts
by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM CDT 0 recs
i think they are really high on Victorino
Maybe get Bourn for MacD and a Phillips?
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Jul 26, 2007 11:01 PM CDT
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