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Floyd to the pen

Acmilan_tiny by The Wizard on in Quotes

Gavin Floyd is going to the bullpen. Here's Coop:

"Right now, Gavin is in our bullpen, and he'll probably be available by Friday because the amount of pitches and innings he went [Tuesday]. We want anyone that is going to get us outs. Right now he's going to get that opportunity."
*****

Ozzie says the Sox aren't going to sell low:

"You're not going to sit there and give players away and say, 'Here, here, because we play bad we're going to give up.' No. If it's something that is not the right thing for the organization Kenny is not going to do it. ... Right now if those guys think in their minds that they're going to get traded -- who do they think they're getting traded to? The guys that should be traded, they have to perform better to be honest. Making a trade is not easy -- a good trade. ... If our players think they're going to be traded, make sure they know how to get to 35th and Shields, because they're going to be there for the next two months or three months. Make sure they know how to get here first."
*****

The Angels want Paulie? Well, Kenny "is asking for the house in return." And Ozzie predicts how the negotiations will go:

"If the Angels want to trade for somebody, I'll be happy. Kenny will be asking for a lot of people, and they'll say no."
*****

In other news,

  • Roland Hemond was named assistant to the Arizona Diamondbacks president.
  • Also, according to reports out of Buffalo, where Triple-A Charlotte currently is playing, Erstad was a late scratch from Wednesday's contest after feeling some stiffness in his neck following batting practice. Erstad reportedly had difficulty lifting his head when he was taking fly balls.
  • Steve Stone will replace DJ in the booth for the six-game homestand from August 7-12.
  • The Mariners are pursuing Jon Garland. Phil Rogers says Former White Sox assistant GM Dan Evans, now a top assistant to Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, absolutely loves everything about Garland. Mark Gonzalez says the Yankees are still in the mix as well (and reviews other rumors).

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Difficulty lifting his head?
How grindy is that?  What kind of Alpha Male can't throw his head back in order to take a shot of Turkey or just to laugh at the mere mortals he must deal with on a daily basis?
Can anybody here play this game?

by winningugly on Jul 26, 2007 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Its a cover up
He went Gus Frerotte on the center field fence
Xbox live: Marco es DRUNK

by marco054 on Jul 26, 2007 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Has Hawk ever teamed with Steve Stone?
A heated disagreement would be a nice distraction from this season.

by hscs on Jul 26, 2007 4:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Hawk isn't anti-Semetic, is he?
THAT would be a stitch.  This might be a ploy to have Hawk hang himself publicly (like Psycho Lyons with Sweet Lou) so's the Sox can fire his sorry ass.
Can anybody here play this game?

by winningugly on Jul 26, 2007 4:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hawk: "Tell me Steve,
Where does a Jewish husband hide all that money from his wife?"

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL!
"n his drawers - she'll never look there!"

BWAHAHAHA!  Oy!

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by winningugly on Jul 26, 2007 4:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Garland...
Is only worth one B prospect OF? What? Phil Rogers is a hometown journalist, shouldn't he come up with trades biased toward the Sox? I'm OK with trading for corner OF prospect, but Garland should get more than Wlad. I'd ask for Wlad and Clement or package on par with that.

I love the mlbtraderumors posters...Garland has bad peripherals so he's not worth as much as Wandy Rodriguez.

If Linebrink brings in 3 prospects (one a B pitching prospect), Garland should command significant talent.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 4:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed
I wouldn't give it away.  It has to be a trade of equal or greater-than-equal value to make sense, and it does not seem to be equal.

Who has more wins than Garland over the past 3 seasons?  Um, about 4 guys, if I remember (though my memory is faulty).

Can anybody here play this game?

by winningugly on Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Obviously...
Balentien would be the centerpiece of a Garland deal, not the whole package.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

NO decent pitchers are available.
THEY need a pitcher. We have a stud(-) available. If they don't pay up, trade him elsewhere. OR wait til the off-season.  We have all the time in the world.

The need us a hell of alot more than we need them.

 

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even Rotoworld is ripping on Ozzie and Hawk now...
Jerry Owens went 0-for-3 with a HBP on Thursday to snap his hitting streak at 10 games.
If you listed to Ozzie Guillen or, gulp, Hawk Harrelson, Owens has stepped up in a big way lately and just might be the White Sox's center fielder in 2008 and beyond. The numbers, though, don't show it. Owens is batting .254/.319/.270 in 63 at-bats since the All-Star break. The White Sox might as well play him over Darin Erstad after Erstad comes off the DL, but he's still looking like a long-term fifth outfielder.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2007 4:30 PM CDT   0 recs

Wiz, what happened to wizardofsox?
Trying to break a jinx or what?

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 4:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Huh?
"P.S. if Cintron gets traded or released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07

by mjthor on Jul 26, 2007 4:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're kidding? uh..you're not, are you?
Good stuff, I must be hallucinating.  I could have sworn...

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 8:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That quote by Guillen...
has me confused.  Does he not want a trade to happen?  Is he happy with the team as it is?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Diversionary tactics.
IMO, he should pipe down and refer trade questions to KW.

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 5:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ozzie doesn't want the Sox
to help the Angels win anything this year, or something along those lines.

by hscs on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

of course
the quote above is much more confusing. I thought Ozzie was starting to pitch OnStar.

by hscs on Jul 26, 2007 5:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It actually makes sense to me...
Well, I think I have reasoned through it.

It looks like Ozzie is saying that he would be happy if the Angels were interested in trading for Sox players because Ozzie seems to understand that the Angels have good prospects.  But Ozzie is also admitting that Kenny would ask for too many of these prospects in return for his own players so Ozzie doesn't forsee any deals getting done between the Sox and the Angels.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2007 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's the Southtown Ozzie
quote that has people confused.

by hscs on Jul 26, 2007 5:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it goes like this
"If the Angels want to trade for somebody, I'll be happy [to listen]. Kenny will be asking for a lot of people, and they'll say no."

if you're talking about the Angels quote

by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 7:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sigh...
I picked one hell of a time to start taking an active interest in the Sox again. 1. Garland is worth at least 2 mid-to-high level prospects and possibly a lesser prospect as well. He led the majors in cumulative wins over the last 2 seasons, he's entering his prime, and if it wasn't for him, MB, and JV, the Sox would be about 30 games out right now.(Assuming replacement level starters, league average ERA, combined with this offense.. blecchhh....)
In any case, if we trade him we're left with 2 quality starters, 1 old man, 1 possible #3 starter who is still inconsistent enough to be in doubt, latest start notwithstanding, and 1 certifiable Big Black 5 starter hole at the end of the rotation.(2004 anyone?) We don't have anyone to fill that. Haeger, Floyd, and Masset are all either not ready/never will be ready/bad, respectively, and DLS is in high-A. There's probably someone I'm missing, but I doubt they're any good this year either. We would have to get at least 1 major-league quality pitch(er/ing prospect, which defeats the whole purpose. (A similar argument applies for Javy) A better idea would be to trade Mack/Cintron. That's an overused idea, but if we packaged them, I'm sure someone desperate for utility players would take them (The Giants could use some players who aren't on Medicare as insurance, tho I don't know anything about their farm system.)</ramble>
2. Roland Hemond still exists? The first(and only) time I heard of him before today was in a book of White Sox history, written the year of the Reinsdorf takeover (1988/9? Anyway, it all happened before I was born)
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 4:59 PM CDT   0 recs

You're forgetting...
Gio Gonzalez, who will probably be ready early in 2008, if not right out of Spring Training.

Mackowiak and Cintron are tradeable, but they won't bring back anything worth noting.  Think Jon Adkins.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and jack egbert
Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 26, 2007 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't Egbert...
project as a reliever?  I could be wrong about that, but I thought that's what I read.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i certainly hope not
only an idiot would make this guy a reliever. maybe you're thinking of russell.
Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Russell projects as a reliever
but he's already moved to the pen.

Egbert, from all accounts, appears to be a guy that will be a starter long term.  Perhaps a 3-4 at best, but a starter nonetheless.

There has been speculation that he could be of use in the White Sox bullpen right now, but I don't think he's a long term reliever at all.  

by wite on Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well,
if Egbert projects as a #3-4, and Gio projects as a #2 (from what I've heard/read), then we're left with a "projected rotation" of:
W/Garland traded
#2(MB),#1(JV),#5(Count, due to the death of his arm), #4/5(Danks),#2/3(Egbert or Gonzalez)
W/JV traded
#2(MB),#2(JG),#5(Count),#4-5(Danks),#2/3(E/G)

I have Danks as a #4/5, because that's what I've heard most often, and I also haven't heard anything higher then a #3 type guy. He hasn't really impressed me with his stuff, save on a few occasions, and he seems to have very little stamina compared to the rest of the starters(A subject touched earlier).
I'm a bit of a classicist in my roation preference, because I prefer a true #1, instead of projected/prospect #1. Obviously, it can work either way.

(Disclaimer)This is in no way a particularly well-informed opinion, and is based solely on my opinion. Share feedback.

It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Goldstein says "above average starter"
and he wasn't expected by most to be this ready.  Both his curve and change are plus outings and stamina shouldn't be a concern for a guy who's throwing his first big league season.  Verlander had the same issues and he's got, like, 5 inches on Danks.  Gio is seen by Sickels as a 2, though Goldstein doesn't like him any better than a 3.  Haven't seen anything on Egbert, but he gets a ton of groundballs and isn't walking anybody, plus he's got some good K numbers.  There aren't a lot of pitchers around who have all three, so I'd peg him for a 3 as well (sight unseen, obvs).  DLS is the guy everyone sees as a number 1 it seems like.  Rotation by '09:

1)Buehrle - he'll probably be more like a 3-starter at this point

2)Vazquez/Danks - whether or not Vazquez will be there is dependent on DLS' readiness.  Javy could still be a legit #2, as he's actually increased his K rate and decrease his BB rate this year in a hitter's park.  That definitely bodes well going forward

3)Danks/Gio - Gio should be on his second turn through the majors at this point, though I'm not sure if that means he'll be more of a 4 or a 3.  Keeping Vazquez makes it matter much less

4)Gio/Egbert - Egbert is probably more ready to have immediate and sustained success because of his groundballing ways, good control and age.  He's leapt across the injury nexus already, which means he's by far the most certain of the four to be what we hope he can be.  We should definitely keep in mind that the other three are still highly  susceptible at this point in their careers.

5)Egbert/DLS - My guess is that if DLS is ready to pitch, he'll be better than a 5, because his stuff is so good and he's demonstrated good control thus far.

In any case, even if we lose both Garland and Contreras, we should still be in a position where we have the depth to handle it.  On another note, Poreda has been dominant in his short stint in rookie ball so far, with 17 K's/1 BB and a 75% GB rate.  Looks like they're limiting his innings by using him out of the bullpen this year, which is probably not a bad idea.

by colintj on Jul 27, 2007 2:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, just what I wanted!
Floyd should have two plus pitches to work with out of the pen, plus he's got decent control.  The big problem is his flyball rate, but maybe a bigger fastball and a heavier reliance on the curve will curb that predilection.  I see him as a guy who could work the seventh as a baseline, with upside thanks to two strike out pitches.  But if he keeps up this low-intensity "easy heat" crap, he's not going to get the action on the fastball he needs.

And: damn right we're asking for the house.  Paulie's signed at 12 mil a year!  He'd probably guarantee the Angels the division crown and make them significant contenders come October.

by colintj on Jul 26, 2007 5:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Realistically,
what could the Sox get for Mackowiak?

When's he signed thru? How much?

I ask because of Rogers note re. on Ty Wigginton ChicagoSports.com.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/07/cubs-eye-wiggin.html

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 5:01 PM CDT   0 recs

realistically?
probably a decent minor leaguer. his contract is pretty expensive for a utility guy, as is his buyout/option. he's signed through the end of this year with team option.
Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 26, 2007 5:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mackowiak...
has a $3.25 Million option for 2008 (or $300K buyout).

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They do...
unless the contract says otherwise.  I haven't read that Mackowiak's option is voided if he's traded.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...
Gio and Egbert. Knew I forgot someone(apparently multiple someones) Then again, wouldn't a lefty-heavy rotation put us at a bit of a disadvantage because of the more frequent L/L matchups versus the R/R matchups? I also seem to notice a trend of reversed splits for lefties at USCF(Cotts, MB) If I recall correctly, their OppBA was lower for lefties then righties. There are similarities between them though, and it's a small sample. Still, it's worth a look.
Egbert is at A-,A+,AA? I don't know where he is, but I'm a bit wary of promotions from A ball, because it's a huge difference from AA. If he is in AA, then it's a bit easier to see that, but he's still a prospect. And prospects, by definition, are liable to fail. (Remember how excited everyone was about Jason Grilli? Arnie Munoz? Kris Honel?Britt Burns?) They don't always flop immediately, but they ARE extremely volatile.
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:13 PM CDT   0 recs

he's at birmingham, just like gio
Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How did that happen?
The Sox finished 6-6 vs. CLE, BOS & DET

Is the AL that bad this year?  We got pummelled in the interleague games.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 5:14 PM CDT   0 recs

No
The Sox were playing terrible baseball during that time period, and now they are playing better; so long as Contreras isn't on the mound, the Sox have a realistic shot at winning every game.  

The AL is much better than the NL.  I figure the Sox would be a .500 team in the NL Central and if Konerko could play like SS.

by wite on Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But we're still playing shitty baseball
It's not like everyone started raking and the bullpen is suddenly untouchable.

Must be Jesse.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IF
we played .500 in interleague games, we'd be a .500 team and only 9 games back in THE ALL IMPORTANT LOSS COLUMN in the wild card race.

It's been awhile since I calculated "games back in THE ALL IMPORTANT LOSS COLUMN."

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 5:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mack
is hitting ridiculously well this month, just in time for the deadline. I'm sure we can con someone into taking him. (And as for my Giants idea, don't forget that he's probably going to become better then Randy Winn in the near future, through repeatyed deterioration. He could also be used to rest Bonds/Alou, and isn't he supposed to be able to play infield. He'd probably be used every day in that configuration, because they are going to break down FAST, and soon.
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:16 PM CDT   0 recs

LOL, do the Mets and Giants get to share Macko?
Alou signed with the Mets in the offseason

just playful ribbing

by wite on Jul 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, that explains it.
I can see the promotion working, especially with the rediculous peripheral stats he's putting up. (And isn't Birmingham a bandbox or something?)
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:17 PM CDT   0 recs

No, actually...
Birmingham is considered something of a pitcher's park.  But neither Gonzalez nor Egbert have notable home/road splits.

The Sox should be able to round out their rotation just fine without Garland.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Birmingham
Ok, I must be confusing it with a few  other minor league stadiums. The splits are encouraging though, I decide to drop my argument. I do think Vazquez should be traded first though.
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why does everyone say Charlotte is a
hitter's park?  Dimensions are symetrical, 325 down the lines, 365 to the gaps, 400 to CF.  Those are pretty standard, and Charlotte's not at altitude.  It gets humid, but that's just about any park in the south.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 6:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It just is.
You could say the same thing about New Comiskey, and that's a hitter's park, as well.

The ball flies in Charlotte.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 26, 2007 6:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It just is?
Josh Fields hit 10 homers in 200+ ABs in Charlotte.  

He comes up and faces MLB pitching for the first time, and hit's 8 in 160+ ABs up here (home and road).  

I'd think he'd be hitting them at a much higher rate/AB at Charlotte if it's such a bandbox.

by ChicagoPete on Jul 26, 2007 6:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why?
because of stats like this.

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pf.html

Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 26, 2007 6:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops
Thanks for the correction. I'm still stuck w/ the '05 edition of THT, so it's kinda messed up in my head. I'm sure Cintron could be foisted on them as a Durham backup too. (He could hide his lack of endurance behind the fact that everyone else on that team needs a rest every 3rd day too.)
It isn't a low ceiling...it's a high floor

by evilcookie on Jul 26, 2007 5:21 PM CDT   0 recs

I guess it's possible......
that the Chase Utley injury today (broken hand=possibly out a month) might add the Phillies to the list of potential suitors for Iguchi.

by stanchar on Jul 26, 2007 6:01 PM CDT   0 recs

rumors, rumors, rumors
Phil Rogers:
# Believe it or not, the Mets totally haven't lost interest in Jose Contreras, but they're not sending the White Sox anything of significance for him.  They would give up some of their older prospects (Lastings Milledge and Mike Pelfrey) if the White Sox would move Javy Vazquez, who has been throwing a lot of zeroes lately.
# The Twins could go into a dumping mode after their recent slide, which has left them closer to the bottom of the AL Central than the top. It's a total longshot but executives with other organizations don't rule out Minnesota moving one of its pitching studs, Johan Santana or Joe Nathan. Both of those guys are eligible for free agency after next season. Torii Hunter might also be in play. This is the time for GM Terry Ryan to determine what it will take to keep him off the free agent market this winter.
# The recent pitching problems have caused Angels GM Bill Stoneman to reassess his stand-pat approach with his lineup. According to a source, he is now aggressively looking for a bat. Paul Konerko seems unlikely, but Stoneman might deal from his stable of prospects for Miguel Tejada, Jermaine Dye or even Mike Piazza. Tejada is due off the DL this weekend, giving scouts only a few days to assess his health and play. It wouldn't be a shock if Andy MacPhail traded him, assuming he gets a good offer.
# Yes, the White Sox and Mets do have the potential for a blockbuster. In addition to Contreras or Vazquez (maybe even Jon Garland), the Mets have kicked the tires on Dye and Tadahito Iguchi. But the Sox scouts appear to have spent more time checking out the Yankees' system than the Mets.

by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 7:55 PM CDT   0 recs

this one is funny!
"Given the overhype of the last few years, only a real dope would predict a flurry of deals before baseball's deadline for non-waiver trades. So here goes:

There's going to be a flurry of moves before the deadline this year, including some that have the potential to qualify as genuine blockbusters."

by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 7:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hobby is doing a great job this season...
but I would trade him in a second for Milledge and Pelfrey.  Kenny could do a lot with Vazquez's salary to improve the rest of the outfield.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2007 8:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think I would
If Rick Peterson can't make Pelfrey an effective starter in Shea, Cooper and the Cell are not what he needs. He may turn out to be a great pitcher. But apparently he only has a fastball now. I don't think he's a particularly better prospect than Gio. Milledge -- I don't know. He had nice AAA stats, but I don't anything about his D in CF.

Vazquez is signed at a reasonable rate and long term and is pitching like a top 10 AL starter. The Mets would have to give up more than their #3 OF prospect  and their #2 pitching prospect. I know that seems like a lot, but this isn't a rental and prospects aren't sure things.

You are probably right that it's time to sell high on Vazquez, but I hate to give up the only strikeout pitcher on the staff.  

by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We're in agreement about Pelfrey
I don't like what I'm reading about Pelfrey at all, and his peripherals aren't very good this season.  He only has 41 Ks in 54 innings.  His GB/FB is decent but that's about it.  

I still like Milledge a lot, and it really seems like the Sox and Mets would make a great fit, but so far nothing.  I would trade both Dye and Iguchi for Milledge alone.  I understand that the Mets would only be getting a combined six months of Dye and Iguchi, but both figure to be upgrades on the Mets (I guess Gotay + Easley vs Iguchi is debatable, but I'd bet on Iguchi's performance of the past two seasons vs the former two).  Post ASB Dye would also be one of the better hitters on the Mets.

by CWSKeith on Jul 26, 2007 11:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure Pelfrey is coming up
bust.  I think we need Javy going forward a lot more than we need Garland anyway.

by colintj on Jul 27, 2007 2:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Santana
will not be traded this season. With Liriano and Santana in the rotation next season, the Twins are a serious World Championship contender. Plus at this point there is still a good chance Santana signs with the Twins.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2007 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do not sell low on Contreras.
Value CANNOT get lower. What's the risk of keeping him til the off season?

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2007 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dies of old age
or a broken heart?
Jerry Owens: putting the 'suicide' in suicide squeeze.

by larry on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

more garland
mlbtraderumors.com:
Regarding Jon Garland, we've already heard that the Mariners, Braves, and Yankees are interested.  Stark adds the Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies to that list.  However, he thinks Kenny Williams really just wants to trade Jose Contreras.

by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2007 8:08 PM CDT   0 recs

would i be nuts
if the sox dealt Tadahito/Mackowiak (either) and Dye for Shane Victorino....I just know the Phils still have Werth, Bourn, and Burrell under contract, and really face a logjam with Adrian Cardenas being a SS will likely move to the outfield?

by tubesox on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM CDT   0 recs

i think they are really high on Victorino
he's the heir apparent.  Plus, I think they only want pitching in return.  I don't think they are in the market for Gooch.  They can ride out the Utley injury with that lineup.  

Maybe get Bourn for MacD and a Phillips?

Go Alex Cintron!! (and take Uribe with you...)

by Nordhagen on Jul 26, 2007 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs