Game 143: White Sox (61-81) vs. Twins (69-73) -- Garland vs. Santana

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 12:37 PM CDT in Game Threads

Jon Garland (R, 9-10, 4.75, 28, 28, 176.1, 82, 51, 1.40) vs. Johan Santana (L, 14-11, 3.15, 29, 29, 194.0, 203, 44, 1.06) [Throws, W-L, ERA, G, GS, IP, K, BB, WHIP]

Time: 1:05 p.m. CT, TV: WGN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2006 MLB Gameday; 2007 MLB Gameday)

GO SOX!

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Lineups

Good Guys:

        Name             AVG
1. Owens, CF            .247
2. Fields, LF           .237
3. Thome, DH            .270
4. Konerko, 1B          .262
5. Pierzynski, C        .268
6. Dye, RF              .247
7. Cintron, 3B          .232
8. Richar, 2B           .214
9. Uribe, SS            .227

Bad Guys:

        Name             AVG
1. Bartlett, SS         .276
2. Kubel, LF            .263
3. Mauer, C             .294
4. Hunter, CF           .292
5. Morneau, 1B          .280
6. Cuddyer, RF          .280
7. Jones, DH            .196
9. Rodriguez, 2B        .222
9. Punto, 3B            .200

GO SOX!

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 12:38 PM CDT reply actions

Lineups

Good Guys:

        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. J Owens, CF          .247    1       12      24
2. J Fields, LF         .237    18      56      1
3. J Thome, DH          .270    25      79      0
4. P Konerko, 1B        .262    28      78      0
5. A Pierzynski, C      .268    14      46      0
6. J Dye, RF            .247    26      67      2
7. A Cintron, 3B        .232    2       17      1
8. D Richar, 2B         .214    4       10      1
9. J Uribe, SS          .227    16      55      1

Bad Guys:

        Name             AVG    HR      RBI     SB
1. J Bartlett, SS       .276    5       40      21
2. J Kubel, LF          .263    10      54      3
3. J Mauer, C           .294    5       53      7
4. T Hunter, CF         .292    28      99      15
5. J Morneau, 1B        .280    29      101     1
6. M Cuddyer, RF        .280    13      73      3
7. G Jones, DH          .196    0       2       0
8. L Rodriguez, 2B      .222    2       11      1
9. N Punto, 3B          .200    1       22      15

GO SOX!

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 1:08 PM CDT reply actions

alex, what a duffus!

a useful duffus nonetheless!

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply actions

Cintron

definitely aboard the Pedro Express, he's probably the conductor

by 3E8 on Sep 9, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions

Greg's pep talk before a Johan start

Just bring out the lube, it will be over in 27 outs. Swing as hard as you can, just in case the devil's pitch hits the bat.

by southsideirish71 on Sep 9, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply actions

Sox dodged a bullet

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Sep 9, 2007 2:48 PM CDT reply actions

::crickets::

by thatshortkid on Sep 9, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions

BEARS!

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 9, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

alex cintron: a one man circus!

he and macdougal are so clutch

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply actions

is chris leak a bear?

what is rex doing out there?

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions

I see

he was released

he wasn't good?

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions

hold onto the ball dummy...

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 4:31 PM CDT reply actions

rays won 3-2, 1 game now

pedro alvarez sweepstakes

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 4:48 PM CDT reply actions

The Rockies have told multiple agents they will be looking to add at least one veteran starter next season, likely coupling him with Jeff Francis, Aaron Cook, Ubaldo Jimenez and Jason Hirsh. Franklin Morales will probably require more Triple-A seasoning, and Josh Fogg, who's been nails for this team down the stretch, might be deemed too expensive for the role.

That's where the White Sox come in.

Given their collapse, it's becoming more likely that they will try to tweak their roster and revamp their bullpen this offseason. That's led to talk that general manager Kenny Williams will shop starter Jon Garland. Colorado pursued Garland in July, but found the asking price prohibitive. Williams will likely be looking for multiple relievers.

A potential starting point to serious discussions: former closer Brian Fuentes for Garland. Fuentes is a two-time all-star who absolutely mauls left-handed hitters. He's in line to double his $3.5 million salary in his final year of arbitration, a figure that could prove difficult to justify if he remains a setup man for Manny Corpas.

btw, here's the mlbtraderumors.com entry

by The Wizard on Sep 9, 2007 6:18 PM CDT reply actions

Colorado

I don't really see a match there. The one guy I might be interested in is Ian Stewart, and even he has his issues. He hit .304/.379/.478 this year, but that was hitting in Colorado Springs in the PCL. Those numbers are hardly spectacular.

In trading Garland, the Sox should be looking for a trade along the lines of what they got for Freddy Garcia, except instead of Floyd, get something a little more useful. I'm not saying the Sox should be aiming at getting more pitching prospects -- since I doubt Hu is going anywhere, I got my eye on Lillibridge in Atlanta. I would probably trade Garland for Lillibridge and an additional piece.

by CWSKeith on Sep 9, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions

I don't like Colorado either

Still think Seattle makes good sense for both clubs

by 3E8 on Sep 9, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions

you want a better package for garland

than we got for garcia? ratchet down those expectations some. we can look for that but jon isn't as good of a pitcher as freddy. the somewhat weak free agent market for pitchers may play in our favor some but i'd be pretty happy with a B prospect like lillibridge.

All that matters is the L.

by larry on Sep 9, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree...

Lillibridge and a C prospect would be great. I'd even just take Lillibridge. I think a deal like that should be possible -- Sickels said he thought Garland could fetch a B and 2 C's. And the free agent pitching crop is thin and involves signing a guy for multi-year deals. So, if Garland can end the season with 2 or 3 strong outings, I think moving him for a B prospect should be doable.

I just hope the Sox don't trade him for Fuentes...or any reliever, really.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 9, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Hunter - I hope not

Was at 2 of the 3 games, Hunter's defense is not what it was. And def not worth 14m or more a year. He seems to have lost a couple steps from what it used to be. Perhaps its from this season and the fact they are not playing for anything - or perhaps its from geting older and playing on an artificial surface.

Also - Josh's crash into the wall was awesome. You could hear him smash of the wall extremely clearly. (unlike my sentence structure)

Last place - Save me from going to these games .

by Brush Back on Sep 9, 2007 6:41 PM CDT reply actions

Which is more painful to watch...

the Sox offense or the Bears offense? Grossman just ain't getting it done, he's clueless.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Sep 9, 2007 6:55 PM CDT reply actions

No piano wire for you, Pete?

Sox/Michican/Bears weekend trying men's souls. My advice - begin drinking heavily.

Your '08 White Sox management: A bunch of jag bags

by winningugly on Sep 9, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions

I may need something stronger than drink

Grossman isn't improving, he's getting worse. Bears don't need a QB who can heave bombs against shitty teams with no pass rush. Grossman is useless against a good defense. A savvy guy who can move the chains like Griese is a much better complement to our defense, it was a shame to lose this game.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Sep 9, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't say that

We fought toe-to-toe with a team that went 14-2 (?) in the AFC last year. Grossman's turnover didn't even hurt the Bears nearly as much as the Benson fumble, AP's fumble and the unlucky bounce off McGowan.

You may be right about Griese, although I don't think he does a whole heckuva lot more than Rex. I'd love to see some more creativity from our offensive coordinator. The weapons are there -- we have a solid tight-end duo in Clark and Olsen, a solid if unspectacular wide receiver core and (in my mind) a decent running back duo. There's also Hester who was supposed to be used a bit more -- I don't understand why they don't try to stretch the field with Devin in the slot.

by CWSKeith on Sep 9, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Grossman didnt light the world on fire

But you can put this one on Benson and company putting the ball on the deck.

by southsideirish71 on Sep 9, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Wasn't just the fumble

Benson also got stuffed on the fourth and one, that's as good as a turnover.

"I thought we were just playing bad, but, no, we're horseshit." - Oswaldo Guillen, Sr.

by ChicagoPete on Sep 9, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions

I tend to think...

Turner is more of a problem than Grossman. Why do they have to be so allergic to the shotgun on third down? Grossman seems so much more comfortable when he's allowed to look over the defense and not worry about the snap/the three/five step drop.

Turner's playcalling is terribly uncreative, too. I don't think Benson ran the ball once today when he wasn't in the i-formation.

by CWSKeith on Sep 9, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions

Blame the player, not the game...

You make a reasonable point, but I think you are wrong.

It is likely that the Bears' coaches do not implement the 3/5 drop b/c their QB has not demonstrated the ability to execute the play.

Grossman isn't "bad" b/c he fumbles a snap or throws an interception; no, he sucks b/c he is too stupid to do it.

It sounds to simple, but ..

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Sep 9, 2007 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions

It will be another year

of the defense carrying the team, with Rex's rating all over the board. He'll look great one game and pathetic the next...he's "The Bi-Polar Quarterback." He'll be just good enough to keep his job a long time.

And, they better find a "go to" running back quick. Benson runs straight ahead...and not very well. He's not showing a lot of "instinctual" running ability as of yet.

"I give Ozzie an 'A'... This team has never packed it in and I give Ozzie the credit." - Jerry Reinsdorf

by tailgater on Sep 10, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions