Oneli losing the closer's job in his Dominican Winter League team?

by The Wizard on Jan 13, 2008 1:42 PM CST in White Sox News

Say it ain't so 'Los Dedos':

Carlos Marmol is in the process of supplanting six-fingered White Sox prospect Oneli Perez as the closer for powerful Licey. Marmol took the first part of the winter off but is back on the mound in the Dominican Republic, where he has nine strikeouts, no walks and one hit allowed in his last 5 1/3 innings.

Maybe it was Oneli's blown save in Licey's January 4 postseason game. He allowed 3 runs in one-third of an inning in that game. Marmol pitched the last 1.2 innings in Licey's 3-2 win Saturday. Oneli didn't pitch in Saturday's game. UPDATE: Oneli picked up the save in Licey's 4-3 win Sunday.

Note: the links in the quote point to the regular season stats on MLB.com. The postseason in the DWL started on December 26. Licey's website has both postseason (PDF) (HTML old version) and regular season (PDF) (HTML) stats.

***** In other news,

Jim looks at the Colon rumor.
John Sickels reviews his 2007 Top 50 Hitters list and his 2007 Top 50 Pitchers list. He reviews his lists from last year.
Larry gives us this rumor from BP's John Perrotto: "San Francisco would consider trading for White Sox third baseman Joe Crede if they don't re-sign Pedro Feliz, who is drawing interest from Philadelphia." Robothal says the Dodgers, Brewers and Phillies are interested in Feliz. The Brewers interest would be contingent on them trading Bill Hall.

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Sickels Top 50 Hitters List

Seems pretty arbitrary. I can't tell what he is basing these ratings on. It certainly doesn't seem like stats weighed too heavily in this process. Talk about subjective. I really like the ChiSox part of the list. I would argue that Josh Fields deserves better than to be #43 on this list, but if he does not, can someone seriously think that nobody that can be called a prospect in all of baseball fell somewhere between him and #44 Ryan Sweeney? I mean, what the hell? That is absurd.

Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 13, 2008 4:56 PM CST reply actions

cracking the egg of knowledge

by "2007 top 50 hitters in review" he means that was his list prior to the 2007 season. it wouldn't really make much sense to review something if you just created it, would it.

by larry on Jan 13, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions

Touche

I believe the yolk is on me.

Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 13, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions

when life gives you broken eggs

make scrambled eggs. or something.

by larry on Jan 13, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions

Re: Sickels' comment on Fields

43) Josh Fields, 3B-OF, Chicago White Sox
Hit .244/.308/.480 with 23 homers for the White Sox. Contact issues will impact his batting average but power will get stronger.

I added the bold, but I'm looking at this comment and thinking a bit -- does he mean that there's still some 'untapped' or 'undeveloped' power potential in his bat or is he just saying that because he's a young player who's had a successful rookie campaign, odds are that he's going to improve?

by CWSKeith on Jan 13, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions

power peaks

in, you guessed it, peak power years. fields isn't there yet. i would also note that his power increased in the second half - which suggests that he made a successful transition to the big leagues. so you can expect, even if he doesn't have anything else to tap, numbers that would more closely resemble the second half than the first couple months.

by larry on Jan 13, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

jeez

that'd be elite power then, wouldn't it? He was 30th in ISO amongst those with 200 PA (25th for 400 PA) last year with his .236. In the neighborhood of ~.260 was 15th or so.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 4:38 AM CST up reply actions

i think that's about right

he should have that or close to it. of course, that's about the only thing he will be elite in. it would be nice, though, if he could get a return of that speed he had in the minors. i'm sure it won't last through his career but it could be a nice complement to his game over the next few years.

by larry on Jan 14, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions

i think

he still has that speed, i just dont think ozzie is going to try to utilize it. I'm not sure how his instincts and reads on pitchers are though for stealing...

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 14, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions

i would love to see him be more agressive

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 14, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions

wait a sec?

unless Fields is going to be batting leadoff, what use is the speed? Speed is for leadoff. (/sarcasm)

by southsideirish on Jan 14, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions

Supposedly he had some kind of leg

injury. Don't ask me where I heard that, cuz I think it was here from Cheat, but if not who knows. If that's the case, that might've even impacted his turn at the plate, depending on what sort of injury we're talking about here. I don't really expect it though, since his K rate was pretty much what you would expect given his work in the minors. BP rated him as bad as I've seen wrt K's on that graph thing they have on the PECOTA cards. Might have impacted his fielding too, which would also be welcome considering how terrible he was.

And if he started stealing bases too, that would be a very nice addition to his game. If he's not going to get on base often, he needs to make the best of the times he is on.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

yes, he had a leg injury

by larry on Jan 14, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

anything more specific

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

Hamstring

That right hammy was acting up

Caulk the wagon.

by rebstock on Jan 14, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

As opposed to stealing bases

I would prefer that he is just agressive on the base path, as in going 1st to 3rd on reasonable hits to RF, scoring from 2nd on singles to the outfield, and scoring of what should be sacrifice flys.

You know, the things that any "small-ball" managed team should be doing but that every "ozzie-ball" managed team doesn't do (possibly due to a roster of many slow and lumbering sluggers or possibly due to poor coaching).

Sorry, had to get it out.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Jan 14, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Check out his line in Charlotte

from 2006: 27 SB on 32 chances. That's the sort of thing that can translate right there.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

Gotcha

84% success rate is good enough for the green light. If he's over the hammy pull, let him run!

I suppose the usual caveats apply here, as in was he stealing against vastly defensively inferior catchers in Charlotte with respect to the majors, etc. I understand that is splitting hairs on my part and asking a lot of questions I'm not confident any of us can answer with any certainty.

In defense of my stolen base statistic ignorance, though it may not be obvious, I was trying to extend the smart base running rant to the team as a whole despite replying to a post about a specific player.

My bad in not making that obvious.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Jan 14, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions

sickels also has his pitchers in review

on danks:

14) John Danks, LHP, Chicago White Sox
Went 6-13, 5.50 with 109/54 K/BB in 139 innings for the White Sox. Paid the price for being rushed. Should improve if he stays healthy and confident.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2008/1/13/181723/686

by larry on Jan 13, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions

The Crede to the Giants rumor

whether it's true or not, obviously stems from Aaron Rowand signing with the Giants. Bruce Bochy doesn't use the word "grinder," but he's explicitly stated that he wants guys who care more than the majority of the '08 club did. But whether Kenny will trade Crede for Jonathan Sanchez or Brad Hennessy -- I can't see Sabean giving up Limcecum or Cain for Crede -- is the $64,000 question.

foxonfilm

by foxonfilm on Jan 13, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions

sanchez? I don't think so...

But I'd love to have him. I can see them trading Hennessey though.

Sanchez would be a steal, IMO. #2 rated prospect by BA in 2007? sheeeeeit.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 13, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions

yes, looks too good

Jonathan Sanchez

by The Wizard on Jan 13, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions

seems to me

this is more likely.

osiris matos

by larry on Jan 13, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions

won't you just let us dream?!

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 4:38 AM CST up reply actions

Giants desperately need a 3B and 1B

We've been shopping Crede and Konerko. I can't come up with players that make sense in the return for us (assuming of course Lincecum/Cain are off-limits).

by 3E8 on Jan 13, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions

Crede and Konerko for Lincecum!

That makes perfect sense! C'mon Brian Sabean, see the light damn you!

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

The colon rumor is odd

not because the Sox shouldn't (or don't seem likely to) be interested in Colon, but because of who "broke" the story.

It seems odd to me that St. Louis CBS affiliate has any connection to the Dominican Republic. (It seems their report is the only link between the two, and everything else was reported off of their info) I mean how would they go about obtaining such information.

I imagine it was something like this: Local weatherman, Skip Skyhammer, was on vacation in the DR. Apparently Skip is a baseball fan, Cardinals fan specifically, and something of an aspiring amateur scout. He decided to take in a local baseball game, hearing Bartolo Colon was likely to pitch. Upon entering the stadium, he came across a gregarious and loquacious hispanic who happened to be wearing a White Sox hat and swearing up a storm.

Thus, Ozzie Guillen is scouting Bartolo Colon in the Dominican... according to Skip Skyhammer.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 13, 2008 6:45 PM CST reply actions

but it was an AP story

doesn't the AP have correspondents in the Dominican or do they use the Skip Skyhammer method?

BTW, I fear Toonderstruck will strike us down for using the Skyhammer name!

by The Wizard on Jan 13, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions

ughhh im bored

kenny do something

by Jbasic89 on Jan 13, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions

heh...

This is what happens when you are a fan of the most actively GM'ed baseball team in the majors:

You have a short attention span and get anxious when a trade/signing hasn't occured in the past 7 days.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 13, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions

true

the bulls being the biggest embarassment in sports doesnt help though...

by Jbasic89 on Jan 13, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions

The Hawks won tonight...

And I don't mean the team in Atlanta the embarrassed the Bulls.

Won in a shootout. They've been down lately, but still a lot of fun to watch.

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Jan 13, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions

niec articles in the trib

... about Mikita and Hull being embraced by the "new Hawks" organization. Maybe, just maybe, the proud original six franchise can find its soul again.

by ruffster on Jan 14, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

I was at the Habs/Hawks game in Montreal

what an experience -- the fans there were wonderful and Montreal had a completely-class hour-long presentation before the game highlighting the rivalry between Montreal and the Hawks, mainly the 1961 Cup (I believe the Hawks beat the Habs in the semis) as well as the '71 Cup (damn that would've been a tough one to live through -- Hawks blew a 2-0 lead in Game 7).

I definitely have to make the Canadian rounds. I think next year I'm going to try and see 'em in Toronto.

by CWSKeith on Jan 14, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

I was listening to the 71 game on the radio

... man, game 7 in the stadium, when home ice really meant something.

frickin' henri richard scored on a shot from center ice that got past espo because of the fog or something. what a heartbreaking loss. i was stunned.

nice sidebar to the habs-hawks rivalry is that denis savard wanted to be a canadien but they wouldn't draft him because they thought he was too small. so he "too smalled" with the hawks for a HOF career. Of course, he had to go to montreal to get to drink from the cup. but now he's our coach, finally a chance to resurrect this franchise.

by ruffster on Jan 14, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

thats why

im fiending for baseball. last year we had the bears at this point, so baseball was a distant thought.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 14, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions

at least we have the Packers

well, at least I do.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jan 14, 2008 7:45 AM CST up reply actions

packers

im definitely rooting for the packers. I'd love to see a new england/ green bay super bowl. seeing brett favre go up against tom brady would be great to see. i'm sure the NFL and FOX are hoping for that seeing that would be great for TV ratings too.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 14, 2008 7:56 AM CST up reply actions

I'm expecting that SB matchup

since if the Pack can't beat Eli Manning in GB, they don't deserve to go anyway.

I also expect the Pack would have about a 5% chance of beating NE, so there's no pressure :)

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jan 14, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions

Hey WU:

don't forget to ask Fregosi why he had Kenny GM play 30 games at 3B in '88. Assuming you can get out of the trainer's room.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 14, 2008 4:29 AM CST reply actions

What do you guys think...

I see that Tony Graffanino is a free agent... he can get on base... and steal bases isn't that what were looking for? And he is KC tough!

Toonderstrook's myspace page http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=67492521

by Soulja Boy on Jan 14, 2008 8:33 AM CST reply actions

Nevermind

Just looked up his stats... his last good year was 05... he sucks!

Toonderstrook's myspace page http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=67492521

by Soulja Boy on Jan 14, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions

Carlos Marmol is better than Oneli Perez ?

Wow! Who knew ?

by White Sox Randy on Jan 14, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply actions

Yankees pull trade offer for Johan Santana...

ESPN is reporting that the Yankees have again pulled their offer for Johan Santana off the table.
The Yankees will not restart trade talks with the Twins unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart, a baseball official with knowledge of the talks told 1050 ESPN Radio's Andrew Marchand. The Yankees' offer for Santana was believed to include Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and one or two prospects.

Source: ESPN.com

by SSH2005 on Jan 14, 2008 12:17 PM CST reply actions

that organization

is a circus. one minute they do one thing, the next minute theyre doing the opposite. its got to be madness in that front office.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 14, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

You gotta love it...

when the things that the Yankees DON'T do make headlines.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

I agree...

Where's the "White Sox will not trade for Santana" headline?

This approach does open up a lot of material for writers and sports talk radio. There are an infinite number of things the Yankees won't do. Discussing those can chew up a lot of air time or column space.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 14, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

hmmm

isn't the act of pulling their offer from the table doing something? i could see if the article was "yankees not trading for cc sabbathia" or something but this does seem like "news," if only for the amusement of hearing more about yankee posturing (since we all know the offer will be back on the table next week).

by larry on Jan 14, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions

Yes...

just like the Yankees had stopped negotiations with Alex Rodriguez.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

so now the twins cannot blackmail the mets?

BTW, the main post was updated

by The Wizard on Jan 14, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

Say it ain't so, Wyclef...

Entertainers in steroid report

ALBANY, N.Y. - A number of entertainers were named in connection with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part of an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report.

The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement officials in reporting Sunday that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used performance-enhancing drugs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080114/ap_en_mu/steroid_raid

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 14, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions

Damn you

Support a Sox fan and click this link instead:

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=654817

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 14, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry, Jim...

Though I must say I'm not sure why I'm apologizing. Is the writer a Sox fan, and should I know that?

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 14, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

Just busting your balls

The guy who packages the story for that site is a Sox fan.

(This guy, specifically.)

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 14, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

I clicked

but I only would have read it if I saw your byline.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions

Ditto

how disappointing.

It should be called Bill Veeck Park!

by Chiburb on Jan 14, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

If I had written it....

...chances are I'd be sued within 24 hours, given my training.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 14, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions

Jim

you switched OBP and BA for the bill james projection for toby hall.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 16, 2008 7:42 AM CST up reply actions

I thought weed was performance diminishing

Oh wait, we're talking about the entertainment industry, so I suppose it is performance enhancing

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by rhythm on Jan 14, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions

The Jays sent money?!

Ricciardi is acting like Glaus is completely damaged goods. He either got hosed or, well, I don't know how you can win with Rolen's contract being the way it is. Has he lost it?

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions

If Rolen is healthy...

he's more valuable than Glaus. He's almost as good a hitter, and he's much more valuable defensively.

The question is whether or not he's healthy. It's quite a gamble by J.P.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

This strikes me as a

"save my ass" sort of deal. The team would be better off with Glaus, who's coming off the books soon enough and is equally unhealthy, than Rolen, who is owed $36M through '10 and has an NTC. Rolen's walk rate and power seem to be evaporating and every time he gets injured, he's coming back less physically capable than before. Ricciardi is gambling that even that prospect is better than Glaus and his expiring contract and the Cardinals apparently agree (considering the direction of the money).

Bottom line: he's paying 12 mil for 3 years for an injury-riddled history and the upcoming age 33-35 seasons. Opportunity cost is pretty huge and the payoff likely won't be...unless the payoff is personal (i.e. he keeps his job).

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 14, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

from the BA Top 10 prospect list...

1998 #1 prospect - Mike Caruso - playing in the South Coast League?

And with the team that Wally Backman manages?

That is a more unlikely comeback than Parque...

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jan 14, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions

Rangers DFA 1B Chris Shelton...

to make room for recently signed RHP Kazuo Fukumori.

If the Angels would give up Howie Kendrick and Ervin Santana for Konerko, I would keep Swisher in CF and claim Shelton to start at 1B. Shelton's minor league numbers are really good and he hit well recently for the Tigers. He should just now be hitting his prime at 27 - 28 years of age. It would be yet another step in getting younger as a team.

by SSH2005 on Jan 14, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions

Then, when Thome is gone...

acquire a true CF'er or go with Shelby (if he is the real deal), move Swisher to 1B, and make Shelton the DH.

by SSH2005 on Jan 14, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

Do you really want Chris Shelton as a DH?

I don't. He K's a ton, and doesn't get on base that well. His 2005 season looks decent, but you have to remember he hit 9 HRs in the first month.

by BoKnows on Jan 14, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

Chris Shelton...

Shelton's minor league stats: .311 AVG / .410 OBP / .500 SLG / .910 OPS
Shelton's major league stats: .281 AVG / .348 OBP / .477 SLG / .825 OPS

Konerko's career OBP is only .353 and he is turning 32 soon while Shelton is only 27 years old.

by SSH2005 on Jan 14, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

I think...

Shelton can probably provide equivalent production to Konerko at a fraction of the price.

But I'm on record as not liking Konerko as much as most Sox fans do.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

Come on....

You can't look at those stats without putting them into perspective. He got off to an unbelievable start in 2005 that make his pro numbers look much better than they really were. The Mayor, Sean Casey forced him back to AAA.

by BoKnows on Jan 14, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

His numbers...

in 2006 weren't bad, either.

Shelton isn't great, but he's better than several first basemen who do have jobs.

And I'll never understand what the Tigers saw in Sean Casey. He was not better than Shelton in any way.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

Shelton still put up a decent line in 2006...

in 373 at bats:

.273 AVG / .340 OBP / .466 SLG / .806 OPS

Meanwhile, Sean Casey was a ton worse for the Tigers (.245/.286/.364/.650) in 2006 as Shelton's replacement and he was bad on the season (.272/.336/.388/.724) as well, when you include his numbers with the Pirates.

Teams don't always make the right moves with their players, ya know?

by SSH2005 on Jan 14, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions

What's more likely...

is that Dye becomes the DH and Swisher moves to right field.

I like Shelton, too, but I don't see the fit. Swisher isn't a center fielder - one of the biggest reasons for moving Konerko is to find a home for Swisher.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 14, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

Saw Shelton last year with the Mud Hens

He was nothing exceptional in AAA ball (strikes out), in a rather blah Mudhens line up.

Good if we want a slow footed, low OBP, off and on power hitter (as if we don't have enough of that!!)

Canada's finest

by MarkD on Jan 14, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions

its funny

lookin back at some of the minor league games i took in when i used to go to the erie sea wolves games back in 2002-2005. saw granderson play back then.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 14, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions