Sox trade Gio Gonzalez, Fautino De Los Santos and Ryan Sweeney for Nick Swisher
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Highway Robbery says wiz...
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dont tease me
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gio - Sweeney - DLS
by CWSKeith on Jan 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sweney would be ok yes?
by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ALL OF THEM!!!!!
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"confirmation"
In the past half hour, I've confirmed with three sources that the A's have dealt outfielder Nick Swisher to the Chicago White Sox for three top prospects: outfielder Ryan Sweeney, left-hander Gio Gonzalez and right-hander Fautino De Los Santos.
The A's are expected to make an announcement in the next 10 to 20 minutes.
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fucking awful
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
There are a handful of players that you gut your future to trade for. Nick Swisher ain't one of 'em.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
throw sweeney out even
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
by dantesox on Jan 3, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like to make rash pronouncements
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile...
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my mistake
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
on paper
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From MLB TradeRumors.com.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/swisher-traded.html
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who on earth would the A's want?
I'm really hoping it's BA, DLS and a non-Gio prospect. But then there's no way the A's do that deal.
Crap. I can't see a way where it's not the two pitchers.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 3, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
His methods have become...unsound.
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will they be teaching him
by tailgater on Jan 3, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the hawk forgot to remind kenny
by hscs on Jan 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye Jerry, we now have a new CF
Swisher CF
OCab SS
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Dye RF
AJ C
Fields 3B
Quentin LF
Richar/Uribe 2B
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought young pitching
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's awful.
I'm really pissed now.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so lets see
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from the trib
and the usual energy and hard-nosedness from KW:
Nick is a quality switch hitter who consistently gets on base, hits for power and drives in runs," Sox GM Ken Williams said in a statement. "He gives Ozzie Guillen offensive flexibility with his ability to hit in a number of spots up and down the batting order, and his athleticism allows him to play any outfield position or first base.
"Nick brings to the ballpark a mix of hard-nosed play, energy and a commitment to winning, and he brings it each and every day. He's a great addition to our team and clubhouse."
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chicago tough.
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although this trade could hurt us in
An OF of CQ, Swisher & Dye would be worth watching. Everyone is prospect obsessed right now, but it's really a coin flip whether or Gio and DLS pan out.
by BoKnows on Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Makes no sense
by Bull Pain on Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It really is stupid
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been determined that
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We need a variation on a
"One Year at a Time"
Last year's history and fuck next year.
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For Sweeney and DLS or Sweeney and Gio
Swisher is a very good young hitter who has been playing in a pitcher's park and is just entering his prime. Offensively, he is likely to be superior to Hunter, Rowand, and Jones both now and for the forseeable future. I wouldn't be surprised if he posted a .900 OPS in the cell and he projects at .875 or so.
But da#% that is a really high price to pay. Can't say I like it.
by bhoov on Jan 3, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its time for Kenny to move on
This team will be complete horseshit for the next 5 years because of this goof. Other GMs must get excited when they deal with Kenny. Kenny is on the phone, lets get whats left of the farm system.
by southsideirish71 on Jan 3, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hard-Nosed Play = Grindy
by tailgater on Jan 3, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
quentin to center?
by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a poster on MLB TradeRumors.com.
I don't know anything about the 2 guys other than Gonzalez.... but this is a sad day for the A's. Swisher is incredibly hard working, and one of the most fun players to watch in the league IMO. Hope these guys are ballers b/c Swish had the pedigree, talent, and drive to make it big in the league.
Best wishes on your new squad Swish. You'll be missed out west."
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God, I was right!
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Swisher.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only saving grace is
Swisher, 27, is signed at a very reasonable price: $3.5MM in '08, $5.3MM in '09, $6.75MM in '10, $9MM in '11, and a $10.25MM club option for '12 with a $1MM buyout.
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rotoworld
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck do they know?
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We got fucking robbed.
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well maybe we can ship out crede
by Jbasic89 on Jan 3, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crede isn't even going to net us the...
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
B&B
Oh well, at least Murph was finally informed about Swisher's contract, which runs through 2011 or 2012 (club option) and has stopped talking about how he'll only be on the Sox for three years.
Konerko or Thome trade on the horizon?
by stevegoz on Jan 3, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Something to consider
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and swisher's plane could crash on the way here
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that wed get our guys back
by Jbasic89 on Jan 3, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha!!!
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing our luck...
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 3, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The optimistic view of this trade...
- Gio may be an injury-risk.
- DLS hasn't proven anything yet at higher minor league levels.
- Sweeney already looks like a bust.
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher vs. Rowand
5 years/$26.75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option
Lifetime .251 .361 .464 OPS+ 118
Aaron Rowand (Born 8/29/77)
5 years/$60M (2008-12)
Lifetime .286 .343 .462 OPS+ 106
Is the difference big enough to make it worth gutting your farm system? IMO they should have signed Rowand. We've got cash, what we don't have is minor league talent. What a horrible offseason.
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think that's misleading
IMO they should have done neither.
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say the same
(Also, you're putting Swisher in The Cells launching pad for 81 games a year. That'll only help his numbers).
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say the same
(Also, you're putting Swisher in The Cells launching pad for 81 games a year. That'll only help his numbers).
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Also, as the OPS+ difference shows, Swisher has played in a pitchers' park. Rowand has played in hitters' parks.
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 3, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't make either move
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lineup?
swisher
thome
konerko
dye
pierzynski
fields
quentin
richar
consensus?
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
swisher LF, quentin CF?
by mjthor on Jan 3, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
swisher CF
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
according to yahoo sports
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But can he play there
by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think...
Now, Ken Williams might think that Swisher is a viable option out there - I've given up trying to figure him out. But he doesn't look like a centerfielder to me.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him playing CF vs. CWS
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was Eric Byrnes style...
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(Deep breath)
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he knows how to bunt
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, that should be our lineup...
CF Swisher
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
C Pierzynski
3B Fields
LF Quentin
2B Richar
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen, he can't bunt
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know you're being facetious
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll need a press release on that
DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD - FUCK THE FUTURE!!!!
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dangerous like luis terrero is dangerous?
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean Jose Contreras dangerous
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another option...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd
by dantesox on Jan 3, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So,
by dantesox on Jan 3, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it would have to be
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Fish Swish!
by tailgater on Jan 3, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To me this trade hinges on
by bhoov on Jan 3, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
DLS
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 3, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad day for Sox fans
by omnipotent grab on Jan 3, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See above -
by ballyb on Jan 3, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RF, not 1B
by madopal on Jan 3, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awful...
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko...
by madopal on Jan 3, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ed
We have NOTHING in our system now. Nothing. We couldn't even cobble together 10 guys to make up a "best of the farm system" list.
by ginandtacos on Jan 3, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's rough
Down to others like Egbert, Shelby, Broadway, McCullouch, Omogrosso, Ely, Marrero, Jose Martinez. None of those would be considered major prospects... certainly not top 100 guys, but they're in our top 10 now I presume.
by Bull Pain on Jan 3, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From a "fanboy" perspective...
I just don't like the cost of it. I'll say that I'm lukewarm on the deal -- the "Highway Robbery" comment in the post isn't mine, I'd guess that's wiz'. If you take the TINSTAAPP point of view, I'd say the Sox are looking pretty good here. Hell, if you trust the talking-head over at Soxtalk (Bureau), the Sox seem to make out pretty well in this -- Gio is nothing more than a backend starter and DLS is a great reliever. He'd probably say the guy the Sox will regret giving up the most is Sweeney, who is looking at a make-or-break season in 2008.
by CWSKeith on Jan 3, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
eyes rolling
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law
by dantesox on Jan 3, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing....
by dantesox on Jan 3, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries, dudes.
by defensive indifference on Jan 3, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also...
by defensive indifference on Jan 3, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
switch hitter!!!
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst trade of the year
Swisher?! Unless they trade Crede for a nice young arm, this deal sucks ass!
Why give up Gio!?!?
He was a projected started soon!
by Option27 on Jan 3, 2008 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grinder and "Chicago Tough"
---Kenny (aka as taken to the bank by Beane more times than Fields strikes out).
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If he hadn't hit 35 HR in 2006
by madopal on Jan 3, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand...
by madopal on Jan 3, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
Alright - the Grinders are back!!
(worst trade Kenny has done since trading Foulke for Billy Koch)
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew this was going to happen: sickels' list
Fautino De Los Santos, RHP, Grade B+ (ranks third on Oakland list)
Aaron Poreda, LHP, Grade B+
Jack Egbert, RHP, Grade B- (A major sleeper)
Ryan Sweeney, OF, Grade C+ (I don't think his power is going to develop. Ranks 12th on Oakland list)
Lance Broadway, RHP, Grade C+
Nevin Griffith, RHP, Grade C+ (great ceiling, needs polish)
John Ely, RHP, Grade C+
Kyle McCulloch, RHP, Grade C+
Charlie Haeger, RHP, Grade C+
John Shelby, 2B, Grade C+
Jimmy Gallagher, OF, Grade C+
Jose Martinez, OF, Grade C+
Fernando Hernandez, RHP, Grade C+
Oneli Perez, RHP, Grade C+
Brian Omogrosso, RHP, Grade C+
Ehren Wasserman, RHP, Grade C (solid role pitcher)
Christian Marrero, 1B, Grade C
Clayton Richard, LHP, Grade C
Leroy Hunt, RHP, Grade C
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I go to lunch and we lose
This is consistent with KW's previous moves, right? Always use your prospects to get major league talent. At least it shows he's still in there swinging. I think most of us thought the large deals were done - at least I did, and I never thought he'd deal all 3 in the same trade (Gio, once traded before, has always been expendable). Can't question the fire, just the wisdom of the strategy. (Did JR just get diagnosed with cancer or something? Burning the farm down for 2008 seems imprudent unless we are going out in a mushroom cloud, on our shield, one way or the other.)
So we'll be entertaining in 2008, with spit and baling wire holding our ML roster together, with the likes of Broadway/Egbert/Wasserman ready to step up in a heartbeat. (And who will fill in at at a position if necessary? Can anyone hit?) That surely fills me with confidence.
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The 2008 Sox are now significantly better
by palehose67 on Jan 3, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's churn the team if click = 0
Sure, this might work out. Jamie Lynn Spears as a mother might work out too, but it sure seems iffy...
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
Nick Swisher is not a top notch ballplayer, he is an above average player who had a huge drop in production in 2007.
We traded 3 of our top 5 prospects for an above average player who will not be able to play the OF and can only play 1B with any respectability and we currently have two 1B on the team in Konerko and Thome.
This trade was a joke and further affirmation that Kenny is the reason the farm system sucks, not the fall guy, Duane Schaefer. This trade will hurt for years to come...it is a very very very sad day for me.
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
A lot of those doubles he hit in Oakland are going to turn into HR's in the Cell.
by southsideirish on Jan 3, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
The defensive matrix I saw he was above avg defensively in the corners. And okay to a little below avg in CF and 1B.
You dont like the trade, fine but stop acting like you have this iron clad proof its a win either way.
by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I guess I'm drinking the punch.
by palehose67 on Jan 3, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
starting to warm up on the trade
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this huge dropoff by Swisher...
2006: .865 OPS / 125 OPS+
2007: .836 OPS / 127 OPS+
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are starting to like this trade....
You guys say it is because of the lineup around him, but that is also the reason his OBP is high. He didn't have much of a lineup around him in Oakland, thus contributing to his walks as pitchers pitched around him.
Also, he hit into 13 double plays last year....the fleet Thome only hit into 10.
Speaking of which, look at the WS lineup now...lots of rally killers with our K's and double plays.
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when
Also, Swisher's 13 DP was tied for 85th most in MLB, along with losers such as Bonds, Aramis Ramirez, Hawpe, Ryan Howard, and Ryan Braun.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 3, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, leave it to the New Left Coaster
Seriously, Nick is starting to grow on me. Reasons:
- The name. Nick! From "The Sure Thing": "Nick's your buddy! You can trust a guy named Nick! Nick would'nt mind if you threw up in his car! Nick!" (And my grandfather and uncle were named Nick, so it has a great ring to it.) "Aaron" was always a name that made me think of 18th-century politics and duelling.
- The image. Grindy, cocky (some would say arrogant), Caucasian (yes, I said it), a "grinder. I can picture AJ, Nick, and Crede attending wrestling matches together. He's a younger Rowand in that regard.
- The performance. We wanted an experienced, high(er) OPS person who could flash some leather and (maybe) not smash into walls. Doesn't seem injury-prone, takes a pitch on occasion, switch-hitting, with power. He's a more consistent, powerful, cheaper Rowand.
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sticking up for him.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 3, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just yanking your chain, bro
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fold...
by Toonderstrook on Jan 3, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Reason #1
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dangly earring and all.
by Toonderstrook on Jan 3, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*wouldn't*
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not the worst trade of the year
Swisher is a good YOUNG ball player signed to a reasonable contract. Beane wasnt going to give him away for free. Most people think the Sox have no chance of competing next year. That is the real issue. KW (for better or most think worst) doesnt.
The trade itself most definitely adds wins to the Sox total. It doesnt put them into a bad financial situation. Maybe hes not done yet. If Sox were to get to 87-88 wins and "compete" that does probably accomplish some of the outward apperance concerns and fill the park. If people continue to come maybe that gives them an opportunity to open the wallet next year.
Im not saying its the best plan, but it is a plan. Carlos and Nick are a decent starting point for the future OF.
by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kenny is going for it this year
All of you who think Swisher is an outfielder are kidding yourselves - he is not a good defense outfielder and Beane knew it. Swisher will eventually take over 1B in a year or two if there is anyway Kenny can trade Konerko.
Kenny gave up too much. Period.
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
step off the ledge
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, period.
by palehose67 on Jan 3, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, TDogg
Let's look at what we got: Swisher fill our biggest hole (CF) and will likely continue to improve as he enters his prime and spend half his seasons in the cell. And, we have him for five years, which bodes well for the future.
What we lost: Sweeney, of course, seems to be a long shot to be an everyday, productive MLB player. Won't be missed. Gio is a guy who is injury prone and been traded four times now. DLS projects, as many have said, to be a great reliver/mid rotation starter. Maybe. He still has rungs to climb on the ladder.
I understand the frustration in gutting the farm system, but what does the farm produce? Young, major league players. Well, that's what we got in Swisher--a young player without the question marks of DLS or Gio. Only time will tell, I suppose.
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher on the corner
by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played 50 games there last season, right?
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did play there...
Swisher in center and Dye in right would mean lots and lots of triples by the opposition.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason Dye
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't know
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What we dont know Larry
I feel a helluva lot better its not Coco Crisp. Swisher could go either way. He could continue to progress as a good above avg player or he could turn into a monster at the Cell.
I know his 3 games there last year were good, anybody have his career numbers? I know its a small sample.
by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said, Larry
Swisher is a good all around player, but not someone for whom I would trade the farm, and thus prospects of future competitive teams. In addition, with JD's defensive deficiencies, I would prefer a CF with more range.
Time will tell whether this was a wise trade, but I wouldn't have made the deal.
by rhythm on Jan 3, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't make sense...
by CWSKeith on Jan 3, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's premature to say the writing's on the wall...
by HulkSmash on Jan 3, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
swisher
I don't like giving up DLS and Gio-- but they are prospects. I don't think we heard the Tiger fans howl too much when they emptied out their farm system for Cabrerra.
Think of how many top prospects we're given up that haven't done jack in the bigs.
I also agree-- we're getting this guy in his prime years-- and in Chicago he could put up some serious numbers.
Swisher played more innings in CF than anywhere else last year. But will he need a late inning caddy?
The more I think about this trade, the more I like it. He gets on base, he plays hard, he hits for power. He's coming into his prime. Getting him gets Owens out of the lineup (at least out of leadoff), gets Fields down in the order.
Who runs better-- Fields or Swisher?
Even if DLS and Gio turn into studs, this could be a trade that helps both clubs.
by ruffster on Jan 3, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher probably runs better than Fields...
by SSH2005 on Jan 3, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Swisher is in CF
by BridgeportJoe on Jan 3, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know...
As previously mentioned by everyone above:
a) The already sparse farm system is now completely barren, and our major league level depth is pretty low. Counting a lot on Danks & Floyd...and who the hell is first in line in case of injury? Haeger?
b) While it makes us a better club in '08, we're still unlikely to really compete in the AL Central. It would probably take even more luck than we got in 2005...
Additional factors that don't help the trade:
c) Our hitting coach. Yeah, nothing like Greg Walker to help out the young hitters. I don't have the stats, but from my fantasy ownership of him I recall Swisher having some very rough months in 2007, and you know Walker isn't going to help when he falls into a slump.
d) Ozzie's love of speed/leadoff guys. I'm having a very hard time picturing Owens not eating into Quentin's playing time. Unfortunately, Ozzie is going to want speed somewhere, & Quentin really hasn't proven much in the majors, so he'll be the first in line to the bench.
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by hiphopnerd on Jan 3, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dropping knowledge
He's actually a much better hitter against LHP, which you don't see much from lefties.. He doesn't hit for power from that side, but makes much more consistent contact and walks at a higher rate. OPSed about 900 vs. LHP each of the last two years.
by The Cheat on Jan 3, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ambedextrious
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Player GP E FP RFg RF9
Owens 88 2 .991 2.43 2.67
Swisher 59 2 .986 2.37 2.62
Point is, can he play CF? Clearly. Is he good? Not particularly. I can't find any info on Baseball Reference's stats (like the differences between RFg and RF9), but from the league leader pages, good CF's have a RF around 3. We could be looking at having a few more triples allowed with him in CF.
He can outhit Owens, tho, and he likes hitting in The Cell. He had a 148 tOPS+ at our yard last year.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=swishni01
by madopal on Jan 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Me
Try him in LF and try Quintin in CF - if it works out, great, if not then we will probably out of it by June anyways and then it is time to cut bait. This means:
Trade Konerko for prospects
Trade Jenks for prospects
Trade Cabrera for prospects
Move Swisher to 1B
Try to get a CF'er again in 2009.
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko
Nevermind.
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Range factor...
Don't get me wrong, I love his bat, but he's not the answer in center. I hope Williams understands that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny says
by GhostOfRooney on Jan 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I put on my sig!
by The Wizard on Jan 4, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriosly, if this 2008 team doesn't work out,
by palehose67 on Jan 3, 2008 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well lets look at that for a second
Crede will provide nothing more than tinder on the fire at the break.
Dye is just another log.
Outside of that, there really is nothing left to move to get anything back.
Vazquez? Buerhle has no trade protection this year.
by southsideirish71 on Jan 3, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vasquez. Jenks. Dye.
by palehose67 on Jan 3, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess KW's next move
by spadog on Jan 3, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fog and Wells? Who?
by Shakey912 on Jan 3, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Fog (sp.) and Wells a new hot spot
It's been awhile since I've been to the city.
by winningugly on Jan 3, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just dumb
by hitlesswonder on Jan 3, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to humbly suggest Williams be fired
by hitlesswonder on Jan 3, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He will be, before 2009.
For Cabrera, yes. For Swisher...oh no. Puke
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this season doesn't work out
by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gio/Dls.
by JenksDaMan45 on Jan 3, 2008 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
right
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crap
by The Deacon on Jan 3, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those were Schueler picks
I am thinking Kenny has not drafted a single player as GM that has made it to the major league club??
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 3, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He drafted Josh Fields.
Andy Gonzalez
Donny Lucy
Boone Logan
Charlie Haeger
Lance Broadway
That's the guys I could find on the 2007 roster.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you're right
by spadog on Jan 3, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
re: maybe you're right
maybe sox realize that they have done of horrible job of drafting and talent eval and its time to get what they can for somewhat proven major leaguers before its too late
by The Scoper on Jan 3, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see reason is on vacation again
by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this
by ChicagoPete on Jan 3, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It strikes me as...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when does
Corey Patterson and Pie on the North the past few years,
and I've been hearing how tricky Haegar is for years even from sox-hater Rob Neyer.
Still shocked Keith Law likes the move.
by tubesox on Jan 3, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
by colintj on Jan 3, 2008 4:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Prospects vs. Proven players
by Shakey912 on Jan 3, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
re
any decent CFers on your overloaded outfield?
other capable P's such as Broadway
jaryd, is that you?
by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
decent CFers?
by larry on Jan 3, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but CF?
I mean...
really?
I'd be able to accept him as a corner outfielder if we hadn't acquired CQ.
I don't know...
At first I was furious. I've since calmed down quite a bit, and I think I'll just wait and see what more comes of this.
by Hazymania on Jan 3, 2008 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not certain he can't play CF
If he can play an average CF with an .880-.920 OPS for the next 5 years (or heck even the first 3 years, followed by excellent corner OF defense the last 2 years) then I think this is a win for KW. If not he's gonna have to blowup into a .950+ guy for it to be a win.
But make no mistake, this guy is really good. He's somewhat underrated because of his home park, similar to Buerhle in the cell.
by bhoov on Jan 3, 2008 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Which is my point
This could go in several directions. Again Im not calling it a "win" either way because there are different goals. As pointed out earlier it really depends on your starting premise. It will depend on the ending roster. Which most likely is still not finished. How many times have I read on here the absolutes on who will be on the team and starting in the OF?
The move did accomplish one thing though. In my little world it pushes me to go ahead and "get" my tickets. Im at least convinced I'll see real baseball. That of course is just me, but I probably represent a decent % of the population.
by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gio Gonzalez is great trade bait
First he is an important part of the trade where we get Thome.
Then we get him back in the Freddy Garcia trade.
Then he is an important part of the trade getting Swisher.
So the same guy, who has no major league experience, has helped to get us Thome and Swisher.
I think KW will do another trade and get him back just to trade him again for another major leaguer!
by bingodog on Jan 3, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know this deal
by MarketMaker on Jan 3, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The world according to KW:
"I did not plan on paying this type of price, but I also did not plan on getting this type of player," Williams said. "Swisher was not a player on the market. Billy Beane did not want to move him. We had to make it attractive enough where they would engage in conversation."
Swisher's outgoing personality, grind-it-out style and high on-base percentage is just what the White Sox were looking for, Williams added.
"Everything that I've heard about Nick from a variety of sources, whether it be on the field or off the field, is that this guy fits in and fits in perfectly with what we are trying to do," Williams said.
On the other hand, Billy Beane has accepted rebuilding and says:
by Toonderstrook on Jan 3, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 3, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like this trade...
by Shoeless In SC on Jan 3, 2008 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
by beautox on Jan 3, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised at all the negativity
by 3E8 on Jan 3, 2008 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem...
by Hazymania on Jan 3, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now now..
Man this sure is an interesting team if nothing else. With all the negative responses for them so far, here's the tip of a rosey scenario:
Going forward I'd love to flip thome or konerko and put dye at first/dh as pointed out or even trade thome AND konerko for young talent, moving dye and fields to dh/and first respectively. keeping crede, swisher/quentin in right with ramirez/owens/ and swisher sometimes spelling them in center.. assuming the sox would get young talent in those deals and not bad/under-performing contracts back in a deal ( which they hardly ever take on), they should get some of that flexibility back in order to reload for more talent in 2009.
by Eternalkonflict on Jan 3, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
I also leave Fields at third and stick Dye or Swisher at first instead.
by Hazymania on Jan 3, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reviews rolling in
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2008/01/04/sports/columnists/doc477de4dd229b6463426240.txt
by ballyb on Jan 4, 2008 8:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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