The Goose is in!

by The Wizard on Jan 8, 2008 3:47 PM CST in Quotes Comment 87 comments

The Goose is the newest (and only) member of Baseball's HOF:

2008 Results

Player                  Total Votes     Percentage
Rich Gossage            466             85.8%
Jim Rice                392             72.2%
Andre Dawson            358             65.9%
Bert Blyleven           336             61.9%
Lee Smith               235             43.3%
Jack Morris             233             42.9%
Tommy John              158             29.1%
Tim Raines              132             24.3%
Mark McGwire            128             23.6%
Alan Trammell           99              18.2%
Dave Concepcion         88              16.2%
Don Mattingly           86              15.8%
Dave Parker             82              15.1%
Dale Murphy             75              13.8%
Harold Baines           28              5.2%
Rod Beck                2               0.4%
Travis Fryman           2               0.4%
Robb Nen                2               0.4%
Shawon Dunston          1               0.2%
Chuck Finley            1               0.2%
David Justice           1               0.2%
Chuck Knoblauch         1               0.2%
Todd Stottlemyre        1               0.2%
Jose Rijo               0               0%
Brady Anderson          0               0%

The Rock tries again next year. ***** In other news,

Jim looks on Ryan Sweeney.
BP on the Swisher trade. Thanks larry. Speaking of the Swisher trade, here's Mike Pindelski too.
Tango looks on the HOF vote ballots.
Hot Stove: Flubs/Tribe interested in Brian Roberts? Mariners/Reds/Tribe interested in Erik Bedard? BTW, the Tribe made an offer to Captain Cheeseburger.
I'll link this again because it was awesome: FJM on Phil Rogers' team improvement evaluation system.
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AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 8, 2008 4:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

seems what I wanted isn't available

during the 'konerko to the angels' discussions, I thought let's check paulie's OPS numbers away from the Cell

[b-r]:

 I    Year        G   GS    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP 
SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip tOPS+ Year
+-+-------+---------+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
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---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+
      1997         4    1     6     5    0    0   0   0   0    0    1   0    2   0   0   0   0   1 
  0   0  .000  .167  .000  .167  .000   -33 1997 
      1998        42   33   150   138   14   28   1   0   5   18   10   0   26   1   0   1   2   6 
  0   1  .203  .260  .319  .579  .213    90 1998 
      1999        69   61   279   254   34   67  12   3   8   40   22   0   26   1   0   2   3   6 
  0   0  .264  .323  .429  .752  .266    76 1999 
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by The Wizard on Jan 8, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

can someone tell me

whats a bad and what is a good ops?

by Jbasic89 on Jan 8, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

go here.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-burdens-of-being-average/

Please don't dominate the rap, jack, if you've got nothing new to say.

by Toonderstrook on Jan 8, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I got it, I had to click to each year individually

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA  
OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip sOPS+ tOPS+ Split
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-
-
---+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+------------+
   2000          71  65 294 266  38  81 17  1 11  49  21   0  41   6   0   1   2  13   0  0  .305 
.367  .500  .867  .326   125   105 Away         
   2001          79  78 327 293  46  78 18  0 13  43  25   2  48   6   0   3   3  10   0  0  .266 
.333  .461  .794  .277   112    86 Away         
   2002          77  74 321 289  37  92 15  0 14  50  24   1  37   4   0   4   2   8   0  0  .318 
.374  .516  .890  .322   141   108 Away         
   2003          67  55 248 224  22  50  9  0  9  36  18   1  26   3   0   3   5  14   0  0  .223 
.286  .384  .670  .214    80    90 Away         
   2004          77  75 312 285  33  68 12  0 12  47  25   1  61   1   0   1   2  14   1  0  .239 
.301  .407  .708  .263    88    60 Away         
   2005          81  79 350 301  43  83 14  0 17  48  45   8  61   2   0   2   1   2   0  0  .276 
.371  .492  .863  .293   134    91 Away         
   2006          72  71 308 263  45  84 13  0 14  51  35   1  53   5   0   5   1   9   1  0  .319 
.403  .529  .932  .348   148   102 Away         
   2007          76  75 327 285  33  74 20  0 14  47  35   5  52   3   0   4   2  12   0  1  .260 
.343  .477  .820  .269   119    95 Away

by The Wizard on Jan 9, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is the drooling mandatory?

Do sportswriters flip some sort of a drooling switch on as soon as they see peter pan?

One of my enduring memories of the 2002 World Series is how happy Darin Erstad's teammates were for him. He played through some frustrating seasons in Anaheim before that magical run, and the people around him respected everything from how he produced on the field to how he carried himself off it. As Ed Wade said, Darin Erstad is a prototype for what a franchise would like every player to be.

Let's say right up front that it's impossible to know if Erstad has anything left in the tank. He's 33 years old and hasn't played much the last two seasons. He hit .221 in 2006, .248 in 2007. His last really productive season was 2005. But in the reconstruction of the Astros, Erstad is exactly the kind of player Wade needs. He'll set an example in every way.

That's also true of Geoff Blum, Woody Williams, Ty Wigginton, Roy Oswalt and Doug Brocail. I don't know enough about some of the newcomers to know where they fit in or not.

Erstad fits in as a fourth outfielder and as insurance in center in case Michael Bourn isn't productive. He can also play first. He's no longer the kind of guy a lineup can be constructed around, but inside the clubhouse, his influence will be important. He's also a career .284 hitter, and given his age, it's possible he can still be productive.

"as insurance in center in case Michael Bourn isn't productive" should be "as insurance in center in case Michael Bourn is productive."

by The Wizard on Jan 8, 2008 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

bukvich / terrero

non-roster invittees to orioles spring training

by The Wizard on Jan 8, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

According to that link, they also invited...

Former Sox catcher Ben Davis and former Cubs reliever Roberto Novoa.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

white sox minor league pitchers traded by KW

since this has been a topic of discussion, here's a list, via scott reifert. obviously, the parameters of the list is his own.

2000

Mark Roberts

Brian Schmack

Aaron Myette

2001

Gary Majewski

Mike Williams

Orlando Rodriguez

Andre Simpson

Matt Dewitt

Derek Hasselhoff

Daniel Mozingo

Josh Fogg

2002

Matt Guerrier

Joe Valentine

2003

Eddi Candelario

Jason Aspito

Delvis Lantigua

Edwin Almonte

Royce Ring

Frankie Francisco

Josh Rupe

Tim Bittner

Scott Dunn

Jake Meyer

2005

Ryan Meaux

Daniel Haigwood

Gio Gonzalez

2006

Jeff Bajenaru

Javier Lopez

B.J. LaMura

Daniel Cortes

Tyler Lumsden

2007

Dwayne Pollock

2008

Gio Gonzalez

Fautino De Los Santos

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/inside_the_white_sox/2008/01/playing_with_nu.html

by larry on Jan 8, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

And his conclusion (as if you

didn't know):

"I guess my point is this. I don't think many White Sox fans have lost sleep over trading the pitchers on this list."

Eff this - Gerry Staley died! Gerry Staley! Chiburb/asinwreck/ballyb weep! (You old bastards/pensioners.)

;)

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's right

Delvis Lantigua never made it so Gio and DLS won't either. Every bottle of Bud I've ever had was pretty lousy, so a bottle of Bells Stout will probably suck as well.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 8, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its bullshit that the White Sox PR dept

puts this out.

That is bush league to say, "here's the shit we foisted on our trading partners." Aren't trades supposed to work out for both teams (at least that's what PR depts are supposed to say)?

Its bad karma too...

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jan 8, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you get that in Chicago somewhere?

I heard Bell's stopped distributing to Chicago

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 8, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bell's

Sadly, I think it is still unavailable in Chicago. I have in-laws in Michigan that have been kind enough to export some to me when they've visited. I did read that Bell's brewery is going to try reintroducing itself into Chicago under a new label ("Kalmazoo") but I think you can only get that on tap right now.

by hitlesswonder on Jan 8, 2008 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that might be the most

annoying aspect of Chicago and beer. Michigan, from what I've found, is a hell of a lot better with a ton of great breweries all over the state.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Jan 9, 2008 2:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I saw this the other day

there are a few points worth noting...

Of the players KW has traded (young players, i.e add Wells, McCarthy), the ones with the highest ceiling have exited most recently. Off the top of my head, ranking them by ceiling at the time of trade, I (extremely subjectively) go something like this...

Young
DLS
Gio
Carter
Wells
McCarthy
Reed
Webster (tons of tools, didn't come together. Still has his fans)
Sweeney (I had sweeney higher, but that was the sweeney of a year+ ago.)
Cortes (He could be higher, as he's toolsy still lots of potential)
Francisco
Cunningham
Rausch (his ceiling was significantly lower after the injury)
Lumsden
Morse
Majewski
Fogg
Haigwood
Guerrier
Ring
Myette
Rupe

I'm probably missing some, but you get the idea.... The previously traded pieces are firecrackers or m-80's compared to the sticks of dynamite he's begun to throw around in the last 26 months. There's one or two that are bound to blow up in his face, and when it's bigger ammunition you're increasingly more likely to lose the nickname "lucky" and pickup the nickname "stumpy"

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 8, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

True...

I was going to get uplifted after seeing Larry's post, but I was curious to know what their rating was when they were traded. If they were all junk when traded, then it's obvious they wouldn't turn up great now.

I was willing to bet that few of those pitchers were in our top 3. I know your claim is subjective, Cheat, so anyone have any real numbers on the highest rated prospects KW has dealt?

It'd be interesting to see. DLS, Gio, and Young certainly appear to be the best he's ever traded.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 8, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I weighted by ceiling

so Reed might have been the "best" prospect at the time of trade, but since his ceiling was something like a 290/370/430 #2 hitting LFer he ranked lower... Carter and DLS have a bunch of time before they turn into anything or fail completely, but they have BIG, big potential.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 8, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ah i see

When I said "real" numbers I meant ratings by ratings gurus like Sickels, BP, etc. All those ratings are really subjective so there are no "real" numbers. They are just as subjective as yours, Cheat. Also, it's not like I don't trust your evaluation, but I would like to see theirs as well. I'm not sure where to look...

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

very good

point cheat. i know this isnt a good way to look at it, but just by the law of averages, a few of the guys recently traded are going to become good major league ball players. granted young has a few flaws, but a very close to 30/30 rookie!??? cmon, thats somethign special already. i totally agree that its bullcrap that the white sox are releasing a list like this to say "see, we told you so, our deals always work out" and definitely has a bite in the ass moment waiting to happen. you have to believe that either gio or DLS will be a good starter. thats not saying we're going to regret this deal, but it is really stupid for the white sox to allow the PR dept to be that pompous.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

waaaaaaaaaait....

We traded a guy named Hasselhoff??? But Germans love Hasselhoff!

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Jan 8, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

brian roberts a cub?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/brian-roberts-t.html

seems like a decent package for the orioles of gallagher, marshall and cedeno.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 8:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is there any chance?

The sox deal Konerko to the Orioles for Roberts straight up or include Crede and get Bedard too? I have a feeling that KW has been activly pursing his "guy" Bedard all off season. He has a real hard on for him and so do I.

Toonderstrook's myspace page http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=67492521

by Soulja Boy on Jan 9, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope

that move would be totally opposite of baltimores offseason direction so far, which would be to stockpile young, cheap talent for their current vets.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We should just throw in

Uribe too. Maybe they will be willing to send us Markakis.

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the trade...

The Cubs gave up as much as us in talent, if not more, for a worse player than Swisher.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for

an older player with a shorter contract. I didnt see what sickels grades were for gallagher, marshall and cedeno were, has he posted those?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A poster at Northsidebaseball.com said it best...

UMFan83 wrote:
"You can make this trade look really bad for the Cubs.

Two of the Cubs biggest problems were offense at SS and starting pitching depth, particularly at the backend. So we solved this by trading our most MLB ready SS prospect and two starting pitchers for an admitted steroid user at a position that we were very set at."

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh well

hopefully the trade blows up in their face, and if it doesnt, i could care less. if that team doesnt win the Central this year, theyd be the biggest joke in baseball.
In other news, SF paper suggests the giants going after crede.... new but old news.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the flubs gave up squat for Roberts.....

KW could have really helped the Sox here.

Where's all the media stories about how the Sox drafted Goose in the 9th round gave him his nickname and developed him into a closer and the stories of 5 years on the Sox ? Wrong side of town I guess so no parade.

by White Sox Randy on Jan 9, 2008 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I would much rather hope that the...

Konerko to the Angels rumors are true because I would rather have Howie Kendrick than Brian Roberts at 2B.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just have

a hard time seeing KW give up on richar this early. by no means am i endorsing richar as THE 2B solution. The only way i see KW trading konerko is if he really feels that he needs the defense and thinks this lineup can still produce without konerko.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Aren't the Cubs still in need of a SS?

Now that they have 12 second basemen, could the Sox (Uribe) be a natural trading partner for the Northsiders?

by palehose67 on Jan 9, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope

they have ryan theriot, who they think is an everyday player. at least they'll sell jerseys and put some pussy in the seats.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as i've said before

theriot = jerry owens. the northside and medias perception of theriot is absolutely absurd.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I realize that the name

on his jersey can look like "THE RIOT", but is that a reason to start a guy at SS who had 3HR and a .326 OBP last year? Of course, you're probably right.

by palehose67 on Jan 9, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's scrappy

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and sweet lou loves him

and whatever sweet lou says or loves, goes.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

With that lineup

they don't really need an All Star at SS.

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i've always been a fan

of fielding the best possible team when i'm trying to contend.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're in a scrappy mood this morning

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

can't fight nature

i'm (relatively) small and white. and i played football.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not unlike darin erstad!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

small + white + somewhat athletic = scrappy. its some kind of law or rule i think....

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rudy?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What were the better options?

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ronny cedeno for a start

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how

Ronny Cedeno is clearly a better player than Theriot.

Cedeno has never hit well at the Major League level. He is younger and was a highly regarded prospect by some, but if contending is what you want the Cubs to do, then Theriot is the more valuable player for the present.

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno may not be any better than Theriot...

but I would be willing to give him the full-time shot at it. However, I'm not sure that the Cubs could live without Theriot's .672 OPS from last season.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and theriot has hit at the major league level?

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Much better than Ronny Cedeno....

Unfortunately, I think the Roberts deal is an excellent one for the Cubs.

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming it's true.

Andy MacPhail denies that anything has happened.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 9, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

press release man strikes again

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just a pet peeve of mine...

don't mind me.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jan 9, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not suggesting you hand the job to cedeno

but i sure wouldn't hand the job to theriot and not have other options available, too.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that would

be like the white sox just handing over the lead off/spark plug podsednick type player/cf position to jerry owens without having him and BA having an open competition for the spot.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming Roberts is on the Cubs

Theriot will likely bat 8th...

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or 2nd

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Wouldn't you go Soriano and Roberts 1 & 2. Or maybe flip them?

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what i would go with is irrelevant

it's what lou would go with. and lou was doing stupid shit like batting soriano first last year so who knows what he'd do.

but, since you asked, i would go roberts and fukudome 1 & 2.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano hits much better in #1 spot...

...I wouldn't mess with that.

by BoKnows on Jan 9, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and i'm not even going to touch that assertion

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lmao

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so what

what does batting order have to do with it? his OBP was still trash whether he hits 2nd or 8th.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

theriot is garbage

and so is Cedeno. At least Cedeno put up great numbers in AAA.

Theriot is at least better than Izturis. God he was awful.

The Cubs are overloaded at 2B. They need someone who can play SS. DeRosa supposedly -can- or -used- to. I dunno if he can anymore.

DeRosa/Roberts would be nice.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not defensively it wouldn't be

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

true.

that is even assuming DeRosa can hack it at SS. They should trade for Uribe...

My buddy, a Cubs fan, has voiced to me that he would like Uribe. He is a very knowledgeable guy, a real stathead, and still seems to not mind his offensive tendencies. He likes his glove.

Uribe could probably do no worse than Theriot or Cedeno. Or could he?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

personally, i wouldn't take uribe over theriot. but if the cubs fans want him, by all means.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so would i

but ive had that argument with a few of the "normal" cubs fans and they treat theriot like hes a god. one of them were dumb enough to tell me that o-cab was just another caesar izturis....

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

uribe can backup all IF positions right?

isn't that more valuable than guys who can backup only 1-2 positions?

by The Wizard on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

when you're talking about

similar OPS, yeah, I would think Uribe would be more valuable.

I'd like to send Uribe over to the Cubs for a reliever.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Jan 9, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

don't be drawn in by the siren of OPS

OBP is way more important than slugging; theriot kills uribe there. eqa is a much better "quick look" measure of offense.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sure

but they have derosa who is better than uribe offensively and can play most infield (and outfield) positions. if they do this deal, they will probably need to pick up a utility player who can play SS; i'm just not sure i'd pay uribe that much to be a backup and certainly not on the roster the cubs have right now (or with the roberts trade).

at any rate, i thought SC was referring to who would i start at SS. theriot, hands down.

by larry on Jan 9, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not when he's only good for...

a below .700 OPS with a $4.5 million dollar salary.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

uribe vs. theriot fielding stats

how do they compare to each other?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Brian Roberts to the Cubs is likely...

but expensive, according to Phil Rogers.

by SSH2005 on Jan 9, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Cub Rotation

Is a joke now.
Zambrano - now has contract will get as big as Colon and CC Sabbathia
Lilly - he will come back to earth
Hill - good upside
Marquis - cut from my 16 inch softball team
Dempster - Mr. Unclutch

The 4 and 5 starters are brutal, at best.

They will get out of the weak NL Central but will lose out to the Phils, Mets, DBacks or Rockies.

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 9, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kinda looks like ours

Spahn and Sain (Buehrle and Javy) and pray for rain, flood, hurricane, and tornado.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you."

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Cub Payroll keeps rising!

After Fukudome and now Roberts...what are they at?

Roberts is due $6.3m this year and $8m in 2009.

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 9, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ugh

they still give us such a bad name.....
http://www.rivalfish.com/rivalroom/2008/01/top-five-trashiest-fanbases.html

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 9, 2008 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't...

...that father/son duo who ran onto the field at a Cub game earlier in the day? I thought that came out later, or am I confused.

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 9, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Boras on Ankiel who's headed for arbitration

[stl pd via BBTF]:

"You have a player whose contributions came first as a pitcher, then as a position player," the agent [boras] said. "The last player you're really talking about is Babe Ruth."

by The Wizard on Jan 9, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs