First Full-Squad practice today

by The Cheat on Feb 21, 2008 12:59 AM CST in White Sox News

Ozzie's in mid-season form.
Watch your back, Mariotti.

Spring training, the not-yet-playing-games portion, begins in earnest later today, with Ozzie Guillen promising to deliver an explicative-laced address to his team. That 'give 'em hell' speech will be followed by the first full-squad practice of the spring. Everyone is expected to be in attendance except Danny Richar, who has already raised Guillen's ire by experiencing the all-too-common visa problems.

As far as I'm concerned the big news out of Wednesday's live bullpen session was a sighting of John Danks' perhaps-no-longer-mythical cutter by Josh Fields, who called the pitch "nastier than advertised." Supposedly, Danks has been bragging about his Buehrle-like cutter for some time now, which would make him the Larry of the White Sox clubhouse. I had just assumed that Danks' cutter was something that Larry was making up.

The fact that a major league hitter has seen Danks' cutter in the wild makes me feel better about his future. It helps temper some of those troubling trends I've pointed out in the past and gives me hope that he can use that cutter to cut his homerun rate this season.

Oh yeah, and there are those pesky Bartolo Colon rumors. Those rumors prompted Kenny to go on a rant about blogs, websites, and inaccurate reports wasting all his time. I think I heard him say he was waiting for the press release, which would make him the JRE of the Sox front office.

Comcast quoted "a source within the White Sox" as saying a deal with Colon was unlikely, but not something they could rule out. I don't really see a fit unless the deal is of the minor league variety. Otherwise, it's just guaranteeing money and a roster spot to over 30 pitcher who's battled injuries each of the last two seasons. We've already got one of those, and that's plenty.

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Any chance all this pub

scuttled a deal? I can't think out why, but I also don't see why Kenny would be pissed.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 21, 2008 3:17 AM CST reply actions

Kenny

Is probably pissed because Colon is using the white sox to make it seem like they are interested in him so he can get a better deal. Or this is a prelude to a major move. If he can package up Crede and or Fields with Floyd or Danks we will need a starter unless we get one in return.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Feb 21, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions

Me thinks you are correct...

on your first sentence.

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions

I posted elsewhere, but the real news is

Fields had a 7-pitch AB. Either Danks is getting better or Fields is getting more patient. (Positives, both. I refuse to suppose any negatives in ST.)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 21, 2008 5:31 AM CST reply actions

LOL

Simple yet effective

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 21, 2008 7:44 AM CST up reply actions

you know

guillen is looking for any reason to get richar out of the lineup and put his boy ozuna or uribe in there.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 21, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions

Anderson just looking for a chance

Real convincing from the Oz

''He's going to be out there,'' Guillen said. ''We never doubt Brian could play in this league. We give him a pretty good shot. It didn't work out the way we thought. That's the reason we went after a couple of guys.

''But if he show up at spring training and take the job, I don't know if he will be playing every day, but he has a legit shot to make the ballclub.''

That's all Anderson wants

Come on KW - just trade the guy already, whatever the issue with him and Oz, it appears it won't be resolved anytime soon.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 21, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions

doesnt sound too promising for Brian

even if he wins the job, according to ozzie, he only gets to platoon.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 21, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions

and

we know that he cant win the job, so its basically a lose/lose situation for him.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 21, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions

Ughhhhh

Why does he deserve another chance again? They should DFA his ass and wash their hands of him.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Feb 21, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions

yawn

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 21, 2008 8:42 AM CST up reply actions

agreed.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Feb 21, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions

Diamondbacks sign Trot Nixon...

"Source: Nixon, Diamondbacks agree on minor-league deal"

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 9:36 AM CST reply actions

i'm glad to hear my reputation is such

that people - including the head man in charge of this site - think i'm creating fictitious pitches for our players.

at any rate, this is why i've always been optimistic about danks and the trade that brought him here. this is moneyball, folks. exploiting inefficiencies and comparative advantages. to many observers - including many on this site who i have had the danks-mccarthy disccusion with in the past - the trade looked pretty much like a straight swap or, worse, one that some, based upon a 22 year old's rookie season, thought the sox may not have actually gotten anything all that good. this, of course, illustrates the danger of evaluating trades based upon one season. because, all along, the sox had the intention of teaching danks the cutter. to borrow from my good friend phil rogers, the sox saw a mini mark buerhle - who was just missing an essential ingredient. and what better place to add that ingredient than with MB and coop? of course, adding an ingredient such as a new pitch isn't something that comes quickly to fruitition (rule of thumb spouted by many is 1000 repetitions before a pitcher has a good handle on a new pitch). so patience, grasshoppers. the best is yet to come.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions

I look forward to seeing him in ST

Care to estimate what a reasonable guess on his numbers if he has semi mastered the cutter?

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions

in the past

i've resisted the urge to state on here what effect the addition of the cutter could be for him. i'll continue that - certainly at least until i've seen him pitch a few times in ST, if not during the regular season. but i will say that, while i appreciate the work and study people have done on danks (including the cheat a few posts below, not to mention my own study of his peripherals), i think the addition of the cutter makes such things largely irrelevant. it will make him a very different - and much better - pitcher. i've always thought it odd that the "optimists" on here - you know, you guys who think the sox are one starter away from contention - haven't latched onto the idea that maybe the starter you're looking for is already on the team. i know some people on here think KW is deluding himself and others when he says he's happy with his pitching staff. this, i think, is a primary reason for that optimism.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions

Larry...

...I must say, you really do have a man-crush on John Danks. For now, I will assume Danks will still have the same repertoire of pitches until I see him throw the cutter to live batters and he is able to get it over the plate.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

one doesn't need

to be able to get a cutter over the plate. depending upon how he throws it, the point may actually be for it to not be over the plate.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions

...what I meant to say

is control the pitch. Hanging cutters travel far in US Cell. Ask Buehrle after 2006.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions

cutters don't "hang"

it's not a breaking pitch. it's a fastball variant.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions

...what I meant to say

is as long as his cutter, cuts.

(okay, I'll stop now)

I just think everyone is a little optimistic at this point about Danks cutter....I am a pessimist at heart.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions

lol

yesterday no one believed he threw it. now suddenly everyone is optimistic about it. i see me and cheat being "optimistic." no one else (other than you) has said anything resembling an opinion on it.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

Larry

And they say don't feed me? Bobby is one of the biggest idiots on this board. Why argue with him?

by Not Fooling Anyone on Feb 21, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions

i don't really see it as arguing

some people don't know terminology or what pitches do. may as well help those people out. i already know what he thinks of danks. we're not arguing over anything.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions

Good to see

I am not the biggest idiot on the board. Whew, I was worried about that.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions

No, I believe I hold the title,

esp. if you ask my wife. Danks was being crucified last year when he started hitting the wall, both in the middle of every game (corroborated by his "through the lineup" stats) and the middle of the season. Folks were giving up on the trade/Danks way too early, said a few of us (and I was one). He's a kid, and thus has a bit of time to learn.

I'm open-minded to the idea that we have not seen his best in '07, and that is (now) seen as a much more reasonable opinion than the "he sucks, why did we get him?" mantra we were hearing last year. Shoot, have Haegermeister teach him the knucksie someday - he's competitive (Pete was on that bandwagon in the spring last year) and may have a great mental make-up to be a mid-rotation pitcher. Good for us.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 21, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

Oh I think we have latched on to the idea

Its just at least for me I havent exactly wanted to put that one in print. Im sure most think my glasses are rose colored enough. I have never cared where the 3rd upper tier starter came from, FA, trade or on staff.

At the very least the 3-5 is interesting. Most are doubtful but the potential is there.

Contreras - Is old as hell but may be drama free for the year. Will it make a difference?

Floyd- Most agree good stuff, but can he make the transition between the ears?

Danks- Cutter gate... Stay tuned.

That is exactly why I tried to press you on numbers. We all saw the effect of learning a new pitch first hand. A Mr. Esteban Loaiza. I know every story doesnt end that way but a guy can dream.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 21, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions

Well

as one of the "optimists" I've been very pro-danks. Although I missed the previous discussion if you examine previous posts you'll see I like him quite a bit. Not specifically because I knew he's got a cutter, but more generally because 22 lefties with good stuff and decent K rates at the MLB level typically improve over time (barring injury). Whether that be because of adding new pitches, improving on old pitches, better control, better pitch selection or whatever I was confident Danks would find his way. Here's to hoping that the cutter will be the key!

by bhoov on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions

The cutter and some support

I liked Danks from the start - but that no run support has to wear you down quickly. I was at a lot of those game, and it was unfortunate that he would start off strong, then seem to just not get it over the plate on a regular basis. A left hander with his confidence is not someone I would quit on this early in his career. Nor would I look to move him to the bullpen for any immediate reason. Twenty one and in the majors, he must have some ability that you should not overlook.
I still feel he will be a top pitcher given a short amount of time and some defense and run support.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 21, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

I hope you're right

I've said before that I think he has the pitches with or without the cutter -- some days he succeeded with just a fastball and change. My biggest fear is that he really didn't look like he was pitching as much as praying in the second half. Shell shock and all that.

A lot of guys get over that, and some guys don't. Gavin Floyd's a good example of the latter, although he might rebound himself -- a few years later.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Feb 21, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

i can't say confidence

is something i worry about with danks.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

Ryan Howard

So a player finally won in arbitration...and how!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/02/21/howard.arbitration/index.html

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply actions

Cardinals interested in Fatolo?

The St. Louis Post Dispatch reports that the Cardinals are interested in Jeff Weaver and Bartolo Colon.
St. Louis is clearly looking for additional rotation depth given the uncertain status of Mark Mulder, Chris Carpenter and Matt Clement. There's speculation that Colon could be close to signing with the White Sox, but Weaver figures to be available for a minor league contract.

Source: St. Louis Post Dispatch

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 9:57 AM CST reply actions

I don't want to gloat...

but it appears that I am the 10,000 visitor to this website and the 2008 #1 winner. This is not a joke, according to the powers that be.
I have so many people I want to thank, I don't know where to start, so let me just say it's good to be on top. Today felt like a special day from the moment I awoke, and this truly is an accomplishment to be proud of.

Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Feb 21, 2008 10:45 AM CST reply actions

I just laugh when I see 2008 on that ad

It's like it found a time machine from '98.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 21, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

I'm glad Colon is not coming on board

I have a simple rule, and it's not hard to follow: never sign pitchers who look like the Hamburglar.

by ginandtacos on Feb 21, 2008 11:57 AM CST reply actions

heh

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 21, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions

Probably not The Grimace either.

Though Ronald McDonald, that lanky redhead out of McDonaldland, could be a real stud.

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 21, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions

Especially when...

they're two years removed from a Cy Young award and they're going to be signed to a minor league contract! I mean, they give out TWO of those awards every year.

Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

colon will get a major league contract

he can afford to wait - heck, it may help his case to get himself in better shape and wait until teams inevitably begin to lose starters to injury.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

I agree.

I just heard a lot of talk about the Sox possibly signing him to a minor league deal. My ceiling on spending for him would be a little higher than that.

Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

+1

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 21, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

sox sign tomo ohka

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/02/tomo-ohka-signe.html

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST reply actions

ohka?

is this worth a new thread outside?

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

no

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

ok, thanks!

btw, here's his Bas-Ref page

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, come on!

He won two of his ten starts last year! Anyone know the winning percentage on that?

Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Feb 21, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions

Ohka

I watched him a few years ago in Milwaukee. He's not awful, he just doesn't strike anyone out.

MrROFL.com

by shaftr on Feb 21, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

i'm gonna go ahead and call him awful

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

alexei ramirez reports

[Mark Gonzales]:

But the free-agent signee from Cuba looked as young as his 26 years and sported a lean build reminsicent of a young Alfonso Soriano.

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions

Sounds like Mark G.

has a new crush.

by palehose67 on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

yup

Ramirez looked confortable in long sleeves, batting gloves and wrist bands, in addition to a thick gold chain.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/02/ramirezs-first.html

also, ramirez needs to make some friends:

Guillen wasn't so happy during stretching exercises when none of the Sox's Latin players gathered around Ramirez, although Uribe spoke with the former Cuban National team standout during fielding drills.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

on colon

[Scot Gregor]:

Two hurdles stand in front of Colon's return to the South Side.

First, he is rumored to be seeking an $8 million contract for this season, although that figure has been dropping. The Sox reportedly offered a one-year, incentive-based deal.

For as good as he has been, Colon has missed most of the past two seasons with shoulder injuries, and he also has back issues. Colon was a combined 7-13 with a 5.90 ERA the past two years.

Second, at least 10 other teams are rumored to be after the 34-year-old pitcher, and Colon reportedly is interested in signing with a National League team.

After coming up empty in pursuits of free agents Torii Hunter, Kosuke Fukudome and Aaron Rowand during the off-season, Williams obviously is trying to avoid another round of bad publicity.

"I'm not going to say anything,'' Williams said. "Sorry.''

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions

yeah

trying to avoid another round of bad publicity. obviously.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

Colon's incentive

A lifetime pass to Old Country Buffet. He'd sign immediately.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Feb 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions

not if he has good representation

OCB's parent is in bankruptcy.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

At Least 10 Teams??

No way. Maybe to minor league deals...$8 million a year?! He must be hurtin' for donut money.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions

i'd say there at least ten teams

who would sign him to a guaranteed contract. everybody loves starting pitching. and all it takes is one elbow or shoulder to turn a team desperate.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

I guess so...

...but this guy has ate himself out of the league, and his shoulder is shot.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

you certainly are obsessed with food and athletes

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

Yes

Colon makes Sid Fernandez look like mini me.

I am hungry too.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

maybe somebody

... who is bored can do a little Uribe-like artwork with Colon throwing a big cheeseburger or something.

by ruffster on Feb 21, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions

There's no way

He's ever thrown any food

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 21, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

bartolo = uncle rico

http://video.aol.com/partner/hulu/napoleon-dynamite-uncle-rico-throws-a-steak/jSFrSGMBy4fqt0oqDGn83L Qm6HngpM3R

by ruffster on Feb 21, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

Bulls trade Ben Wallace and Joe Smith...

get back Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden in huge 3-team deal:

http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/live/

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions

Paxson

Finally ridded himself with that awful signing of Wallace. Still a lot of work to be done this summer though.

We actually have a SG and PF who can score with his back to the basket?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

are those 2 the bulls get any good?

gooden, 26, forward

hughes, 29, guard

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions

The trade looks amazing to me...

Paxson dumped aging Wallace's awful contract and picks up a better player in Gooden and a big guard that the Bulls have wanted for years. Hughes' contract is pretty bad but dumping Wallace was worth it.

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

Better than what we gave up.

Ben Wallace was a huge disappointment.

I like Drew Gooden. He's a solid 4. This move frees up minutes for Noah and the Bulls are better when he is on the court (addition by subtraction..Wallace will be off the court).

Hughes had to be included to make the contracts work. He will probably become the 2 or 3rd guard off the bench.

by BoKnows on Feb 21, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions

I can speak to Gooden

seeing him in Orlando for a year. Looks great on paper, great tools, will break your heart. He's been traded what, 3 times now? Something doesn't fit. But he can board pretty well, which seems to be a Bulls weakness.

Hughes is interesting - I wonder why they let him go? I bet he wasn't happy deferring to LBJ. Wonder if his injury last year is affecting him, too.

Looks like a decent trade.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 21, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

gooden is solid

as long as you dont expect him to be your start. he can put up 15 points a night and grab 7 or 8 boards. the bulls are just looking for someone to be able to put some points up in the paint, and they get that with him.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 21, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

start = star

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 21, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

thanks to all for the replies

yeah, got out of wallace's contract, nice!

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

Hughes just never fit with the Cavs style

he's better off the dribble than catching and shooting or coming off of screens, and since LBJ is the focal point of the Cleveland offense he had to do a lot of that.

His contract is pretty bad, but he does provide insurance incase the Bulls trade or let Gordon go after this year.

Gooden's contract is up after next season, so he will provide value due to his play as well as being an expiring contract.

I realy like this trade for the Bulls since Wallace brought nothing to the table and I'd rather waste money on Hughes than on Wallace. Hughes has the potential to actually be a productive member of the team, plus he'll be able to defend taller 2-guards since they give the Bulls fits with their small guards and all. Don't forget, Hughes led the league in steals when he was on the Wizards, so as long as he's healthy he'll contribute. The question though is who's going to lose minutes? I fear Thabo will be firmly entrenched on the bench, though I'd love for Duhon's minutes to be minimized instead

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Feb 21, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions

Scott Boras' offseason gets uglier:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7824474/Sheffield-calls-ex-agent-Boras-a-'bad-person'

How the mighty are falling, eh?

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 21, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions

Doesn't mean much

when it's coming from Sheff's mouth.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 21, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

Actually I rather like Sheffield

There are many things he says that are true.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 21, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

I'm partial to Sheff too

especially when he's on my fantasy team. Dude was on fire first half last year.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 21, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions

Both of them are

"bad people".

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions

Does Gordon get moved by the end of the day now?

It seems a Kirk, Tabo, Hughes backcourt would be alright. Since Ben has no plans of sticking around.

Or do they wait until the off-season and do a sign-and-trade with Gordon?

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 21, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions

deadline has passed

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

Full Bulls trade details...

"Three-team deal sends Wallace to Cavs"

A little more than one and a half seasons after Bulls general manager John Paxson and then-coach Scott Skiles made a splash by signing Wallace away from the Detroit Pistons for $60 million over four years, the Bulls have agreed in principle to ship the center, along with Joe Smith and a future second-round pick, to Cleveland as part of a three-team deal that included Seattle.

The Cavs also received Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West from the SuperSonics. Chicago also sent Adrian Griffin to Seattle, which also acquired Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall from Cleveland.

The Bulls will receive Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown from Cleveland.

The trade awaits league approval but is expected to go through.

by SSH2005 on Feb 21, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

I was thinking a sign and trade around draft time

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Feb 21, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions

I think Gordon's contract is up after the season.

And I think he's looking for a lot more money than the Bulls will offer him, especially now.

I may be wrong though, he may just be trying to get an extension right now.

Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Feb 21, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions

He's signed through '09

He signed a 3-year extension in '06

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=cavaliersgooden&prov=st&type=lgns

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Feb 21, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

crede hurt

macdougal beaned him at his left hand

x-ray negative

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions

good to see the arsonist has some new tricks

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

UGH!

MacDougal needs to get shipped out. Why won't anyone taken this bum? Send him back to KC

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 21, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions

Oh no!!! MacAttack!!!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 23, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

Is this another hamburger reference???

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 23, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

Sure !

Someone needs to cue up the MacAttack hamburger pic!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 23, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

cliff!

link

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 3:55 PM CST reply actions

Baseball related stuff again

Spring is near!

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 21, 2008 3:58 PM CST reply actions

Spring Training

Anyone have any secrets to scoring cheap airfares to Tucson or Phoenix? I'd love to pop down for a couple of games, but I can't find any non-stops for under $560. I shopped Orbitz, Travelocity, etc. and the absolute cheapest with 1-2 stops was $369.

I don't make that "Larry" type of coin, so budget is a consideration.

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Feb 21, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions

yeah

hitch a ride with one of my friends. are you a good bartender? they're always looking for good help on their planes.

by larry on Feb 21, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

You have friends?

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Feb 22, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions

Money CAN buy you love!

Good thing, eh, lar?

;)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

Try Southwest.

iflyswa.com

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 21, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

I'll check it out...thanks.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Feb 22, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions

Cabrera ready for Ozzie

"There is nothing he can do that will make me flip out," Cabrera promised Thursday as the Chicago White Sox went through their first full-squad workout.

Cabrera even had a tale to tell about Guillen, who was an Expos' coach in 2001 for one season when Cabrera was the Expos' shortstop.

"He went to sleep during one time during the game in the dugout," Cabrera said. True story, Guillen said.

Cabrera won't be surprised one bit this season

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 22, 2008 8:17 AM CST reply actions