One game is not enough
From Mark Gonzales' Retro uniforms post:
The Sox will wear their 1983 uniforms (commemorating the 25th anniversary of their American League West title); camouflage jerseys and green outfits for their Halfway to St. Patrick's Day promotion. They will wear their camouflage jerseys on July 4 to honor U.S. troops while dates will be announced later for the other two promotions.
The Sox also will wear Negro League jerseys for a game in Detroit during a series July 25-27.
- Jim previews Pablo. And Ozzie likes what he sees in Profundo, Jeff Cox, and Jerry Owens. BTW, Jay says it's up to Jose.
- Baseball America publishes 2008's Top 100 prospects list. Notice anything?
- SI's John Heyman calls FJM's Junior and other stat guys VORPies. FJM's Junior responds. And here's the BBTF thread.
- THT: John Walsh: Searching for the game’s best pitch.
- StatSpeak: Pizza Cutter: Do hitters get more jumpy during a slump?.
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kenny loves fireballers, current and not current
Armed with a 100-mph fastball, Anderson was selected by Detroit with the No. 1 overall pick in the 1997 draft. The right-hander pitched for the Tigers from 1998-2003, saving 22 games in 2001.
Anderson pitched for the Colorado Rockies in 2005, his last season in the major leagues.
In 2002, Anderson participated in a charity octopus-throwing contest at a Detroit Red Wings game. He tore a muscle under his armpit during the event and never seemed to fully recover.
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can't make that stuff up! (last sentence)
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 26, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man what is it with tiger fireballing relievers...
by ruffster on Feb 26, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 issues:
- Glad "alternate" unis doesn't mean the same as here in Mouseland, or they'd be wearing rainbows.
- How long do you think KW pursued M. Anderson before he "got his man"?
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No wonder Kenny was jiggy
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 26, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can we package profundo and crede now?
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the bay area
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
neifi!
...
Notes: The Rockies' starting lineup for their exhibition opener, which was posted in the clubhouse Tuesday, features a flip-flop of No. 3 hitter Matt Holliday and cleanup hitter Todd Helton. Also, 2B candidate Marcus Giles will serve as the DH against the White Sox with rookie Jayson Nix getting the nod at second.
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still juicing?
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha!!!
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep the goodwill going
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jayson nix related to lance nix?
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
laynce
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ooops!
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. typo.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
didnt mean
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i was calling myself out.
Who throws a "y" into their sons' names?
My name might be... Caymeron... or... Cameryon... Cameyron. heh.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic...
by SSH2005 on Feb 26, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
throwing some leather. or, intrasquad recap
Crede charged quickly and threw to first to retire Donny Lucy in his toughest defensive play during a five-inning intrasquad game.
"If you go out there second-guessing yourself, that's when you get hurt," Crede said.
At the plate, Crede went 0-for-2. He took a called third strike on a sharp breaking curve from Javier Vazquez.
But Crede isolated himself from the speculation that he will likely be traded by the end of spring training.
"I'm going in assuming I'm going to be here in Chicago and whatever happens after that, happens," Crede said.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/02/credes-comeback.html
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ah....
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more recap. or, haeger sucks and masset doesn't
Konerko's slam came one-half inning after NIck Swisher ripped a two-run home run off left-hander Carlos Vazquez with two out in the top of the inning. Non-roster invitee Brad Eldred led off the inning with a triple. Eldred also hit a double and scored on Cole Armstrong's sacrifice fly off Mike MacDougal in the third.
Javier Vazquez pitched two perfect innings and struck out three in front of two major league scouts. Konerko and Jermaine Dye hit consecutive doubles in the fourth.
Nick Masset pitched two scoreless innings.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/02/intrasquad-hi-1.html
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to lead the campaign
XBH just won't get him off the proverbial island.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is probably just having the typical...
by SSH2005 on Feb 26, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Vasquez...
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or was it the Cubs - Cotts trade?
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
javy
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow's lineup
Here's the White Sox's lineup for their exhibition opener Wednesday against Colorado at Tucson Electric Park:
Jerry Owens cf
Orlando Cabrera ss
Jim Thome dh
Paul Konerko 1b
Jermaine Dye rf
A.J. Pierzynski c
Josh Fields 3b
Juan Uribe 2b
Brian Anderson lf
John Danks p
Owens said his right groin felt fine after tweaking it in Monday's game. Owens rode a stationary bicycle at full speed Tuesday without any discomfort.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/02/exhibition-open.html
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no swish?
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
injured obviously
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(Grins)
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
News flash:
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let the slobberfest begin!
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if....
Swish starts in LF.
Anderson and Swisher in the same OF? Talk about some groovy fan favorites! (At least with the ladies)
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
honeys, not ladies
by Chiburb on Feb 26, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo!
I also ordered Fantasyland by Sam Walker. I heard very good things about it. Anyone read it?
by Tdogg on Feb 26, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They is also a section
by Tdogg on Feb 26, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you order from?
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 26, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that message was wrong
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasyland is OK
by Sox Machine on Feb 26, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Ugh.
by Tdogg on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crede's comeback...
Crede charged quickly and threw to first to retire Donny Lucy in his toughest defensive play during a five-inning intrasquad game.
"If you go out there second-guessing yourself, that's when you get hurt," Crede said.
At the plate, Crede went 0-for-2. He struck out on a sharp breaking curve from Javier Vazquez.
But Crede isolated himself from the speculation that he will likely be traded by the end of spring training.
"I'm going in assuming I'm going to be here in Chicago and whatever happens after that, happens," Crede said.
by SSH2005 on Feb 26, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
larry beat you by an hour, bro
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty strikes again!!!!
by chrome on Feb 26, 2008 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted this yesterday
by Tdogg on Feb 26, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
personally
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
Owens CF
OCab 2B
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Dye RF
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Uribe 2B
Quentin OF
Fields 3B/DH
Ozuna
Hall C
Keeping Fields around lets him platoon at DH with Thome vs. LHP, and he can keep Crede rested at 3B. You can probably get him 400 PAs that way and keep him away from tough RHPs.
Richar (hellooooooo?) seems to have kissed his career goodbye, so there's no one's blocking him. The more I think about it, the more I think Crede stays.
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
400 PAs is a mighty high estimate for that role
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3 starts a week = 400 PAs
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reinsdorf clearly
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure 3 starts a week equals 400
this is an awful, awful idea. doing something like this would be a reason that next year and future years are nightmares. there is next to nothing the sox can do to compete next year. let's not fuck up one of our few potential building blocks.
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry,
Now we're already fucked next year? Oh my God!
Get to work on it, Pete.
by ballyb on Feb 26, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right on my brother
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be the first awful idea
I don't think player development is a concern this season, anymore than it was last year when Erstad was handed the CF job.
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh. trotting out the specious BA argument
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The BA card
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think on a team this old, there
by colintj on Feb 26, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now we're replacing konerko and dye?
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"this old" probably doesn't indicate
by colintj on Feb 26, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
trying to test my hypothesis...
on top of that, PECOTA has the following attrition rates:
Konerko: 9% on 597 PAs (weighted mean)
Crede: 26% on 339
Dye: 19% on 490
Swisher: 8% on 633 (just for comparison's sake)
Quentin: 27% on 365
Owens: 25% on 424
Oh, assumptions: that Josh takes all the DH abs against LHP and is the first off the bench in case of injury/suckitude.
Okay, so do those weighted mean PAs pre-factor attrition? It looks like it, which makes it a lot easier. I'm thinking there are about 690 PAs per position. We would be able to do the subtraction, only attrition could occur jointly.
Bleh. I'm kinda stumped and tired. Doesn't it look like he'd be able to get 500 though?
by colintj on Feb 27, 2008 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
smoak hit a couple homers
more on smoak
[Aaron Fitt]:
those wins last September screwed us...
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smoak...
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 28, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did this last year
I believe I saw some data that backed up his reasoning. Basically, there is an upgrade in the number of baserunners on base for the 2-3-4 hitters when there is a real hitter batting ninth, and that upgrade is larger than the drop off in offense that a typically happens in the 6-7-8 spots.
I think the main difference comes from the number of at-bats seen by the 2-3-4 hitters as compared to their 6-7-8 counterparts.
by The Cheat on Feb 26, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That TLaR's a genius
by ChicagoPete on Feb 26, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a guy presented this issue at the last SABR
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.3 run increase from 4.3 runs/game
The interesting part (and the part dmost difficult to measure) is the credence the author puts n the "mental lift" given to the #9 hitter with another legit hitter protecting him. I believe I know the answer to this, but do you stat guys/girls buy any of that?
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'stat guys/girls' are VORPies now
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that -
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
might want to look inside the numbers
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but IIRC
You may be right - hard to devise a "control" group.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
late in the year?
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His stats deteriorated
That might help "anyone" figure it out. I just don't know how to retrieve those stats. Just speculating. But, frankly, if inserting one hot player (Ankiel) can shake things up that much, why would flipping 2 players not potentially change the run tally? Perhaps the improved performance of the #9 guy who was flipped might account for some of the difference. Then the question is - did the improved performance occur because of the flip, or was it happenstance? Can it be replicated over a longer period consistently?
This is what keeps me up at night.
by winningugly on Feb 27, 2008 5:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
since you need help
by larry on Feb 27, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and i rather doubt
by larry on Feb 27, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coincidence - doubtful
Maybe the difference was all Ankiel, maybe not -that's the stat I'd like to see.
by winningugly on Feb 27, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
by larry on Feb 27, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you know that the red sox swept us in the 2005
by The Wizard on Feb 26, 2008 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How James Freyian
by The Cheat on Feb 26, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
undermine some more
by larry on Feb 26, 2008 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
those nutty royals fans
by The Deacon on Feb 26, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of bizarre
by jeeves on Feb 26, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's with the...
by defensive indifference on Feb 27, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just figured something out based upon
LaRussa = larry. Both are lawyers. Both think outside the box and have statistics at their fingertips at all times and minds like steel traps. It was the "LaR" part - "larry" - that cinched it.
Now it all makes sense.
by winningugly on Feb 26, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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