What does waiving Uribe accomplish?
It appears that the White Sox have placed Juan Uribe on some form of waivers (Updated language to satisfy Larry), though we shouldn't expect any confirmation of such until he has been claimed or passed through them completely, as they are supposed to be confidential. By rule, the White Sox are not allowed to comment on the situation. So, we can't be sure what Uribe's status is, leaving us to do what we do best; speculate.
First, lets answer what being placed on waivers means for the Uribe situation. Mark Gonzalez and Joe Cowley both cite a 72-hour period during which teams can place a claim on Uribe, allowing them to pick up Uribe and his entire salary. Other resources list a 48 hour window, but note that Saturday and Sunday don't count. So, combining those two, Uribe could be in limbo until Monday.
In the probable event that no team places a claim on Uribe, he becomes a free agent and the White Sox are still on the hook for his $4.5MM salary. The only way the Sox avoid having to pay him is if an angel of a team -- I'm looking your direction Baltimore -- comes along and places a claim, picking up the full $4.5MM in the process.
How did we get here?
When the Sox signed Uribe to his current 1-year deal in lieu of picking up his $5MM option, I called it "the best of a myraid of poor solutions" available on the free-agent market. I had no idea at the time that David Eckstein would only require a 1-year deal, or that Adam Everett could be had for $2.5MM. I went on to call the deal "far from an optimal situation, [which] gives the Sox freedom to continue to look for trades and doesn't lock them into a poor long-term situation."Ten days later, the Sox completed the Garland for Cabrera trade, effectively making Uribe an overpriced backup. And a month after that they signed the lightly-pursued Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, whose hot spring might have given Uribe the final push out the door.
Ramirez was in the lineup in center field for the second time this spring, and had an impressive day at the plate. He walked twice, upping his spring total to 3, and hit a leafoff homerun off Ubaldo Jimenez after an extended at bat. It was a little bit rougher outing for Ramirez in the field, as he missed the cutoff man twice and nearly missed on another occasion. He was 50/50 on difficult to field balls in the gap, once taking a nice route to make a routine play look exactly that, but later faltering on a long run to a ball at the wall ultimately having the ball glance off his backhand attempt.
Just yesterday, Joe Cowley wrote of two contentious morning meetings. One can only assume there was a third this morning before Uribe was placed on waivers. It's just another case, like the Hunter-to-Rowand-to-Swisher situation before it, in which it looks like the White Sox front office has no concrete plan on how to build a team.
We applaud Kenny Williams for his ability to admit he made a mistake in signing Uribe by placing him on waivers before the season even begins. But we'd be a lot happier if he would just make the right decision in his first attempt next time.
Who's on second?
So now that Uribe, the previous leader in the competition for second base, is on the outs, who plays second? These are the options as I see them.- Alexei Ramirez -- The aforementioned Cuban has impressed with his bat this spring, but second is supposedly his "rawest" of positions.
- Danny Richar -- He arrived late to camp with visa issues, and when he did show up complained of a injured back. He was a late scratch from Wednesday's game, and had a MRI to inspect the back injury.
- Pablo Ozuna -- The Secret Weapon has exceeded my dubiously low expectations for him this spring. I expected him to be complete waste of space following his return from a broken leg last season, but he's appeared healthy from the very start of spring. I did note that he was unable to beat out a ball in the hole in Monday's game, which could signal that the loss of speed I had feared has arrived.
- Trade -- There have been some unsubstantiated rumors of Brian Roberts (purely because the Cubs want him) and Mark Ellis (because Oakland is selling off anyone over age 26), but I can't see the Sox making a major trade between now and Opening Day that doesn't include Joe Crede.
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The other rumor
by phastphil on
Mar 19, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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i dont see how thats even possible
by The Deacon on
Mar 19, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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Yeah...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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like i said
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Mar 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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Heh
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Mar 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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injury update
Second baseman Danny Richar virtually fell out of the running for the second base job because of recurring back pain that caused him to undergo an MRI.
On the upside, Alexei Ramirez strengthened his case to make the team by going 2-for-3 with his first home run and raising his batting average to .366.
"He can play every day, I think," Guillen said. "At second, we have to work on [him defensively] to get him better."
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 8:51 PM CDT
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where did "we" hear
by larry on
Mar 19, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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that's a tv station
by larry on
Mar 19, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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satisfy me, huh
by larry on
Mar 19, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Right...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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from merkin
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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Ramirez
by oldComiskey91 on
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If this goes through, this could be against KW's
by Raf on
Mar 19, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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I love how ya...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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props to raf
that was awesome!
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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Cheat...
I too am surprised he's performing this well. He's still nothing more than an overpaid utility guy, and I think that Bourgeois is a better option than he is. He's faster, IMO. And he has had some success this spring.
You seem to leave Bourgeois out of the mix. Something happen to him in the past few days that I missed? OZzie seems to love him.
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:35 PM CDT
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It's not like he had much to go on
From July 1, 2006 until he broke his leg he compiled a .240/.277/.324 batting line.
by The Cheat on
Mar 19, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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Exactly...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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but what of...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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But why waive Uribe now?
The other possibility is that the Sox are so impressed with Ramirez (and to a lesser extent Jason BourIcantspellit) that they really want them to get major league at-bats. That would be a good way to decide if Ramirez can replace Cabrera next season. But it would be surpassingly surprising to me. Ramirez is a big gamble and Richar just had an MRI on his back. Dropping Uribe now seems like a risky move for a risk-averse team.
by hitlesswonder on
Mar 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT
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Is it official?
by Timmy13 on
Mar 19, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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can't comment due to the ongoing investigation
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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We don't know
by The Cheat on
Mar 19, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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The only way
I mean even if you think that Ramirez is gonna be your 2B why get of Uribe before you're sure that he is ready defensively? I mean wouldn't you have put Ramirez at 2B instead of CF the last 2 days if you were deciding whether he could handle it well enough to release Uribe?
by bhoov on
Mar 19, 2008 10:36 PM CDT
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If it's revocable
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 7:30 AM CDT
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i don't think it's much ado about nothing
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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joe crede come on down
Garciaparra had an MRI on Wednesday in Los Angeles that revealed a microfracture. The Dodgers do not consider the injury to be as serious as a complete fracture of a bone, and expect to know more once the 34-year-old is examined Thursday by the team's medical staff in Arizona.
Maybe they can fix it with a nano-cast.
Joe Torre seems to like Blake DeWitt. Of course, Inge and Crede are available. The fact that both are out there may keep the Dodgers from giving up too much to acquire one of them.
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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Any chance
by ballyb on
Mar 19, 2008 10:49 PM CDT
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Everything has something to do with Barry Bonds.
by mjthor on
Mar 20, 2008 1:09 AM CDT
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Box score question:
Wouldn't TB be more accurate if it included walks, HBP, and stolen bases?
Thx in advance (I'll hand up and listen to your answer).
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 7:29 AM CDT
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At 56,
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Mar 20, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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I guess at 56, Gramps, it's not
But I'm serious about the question... When, and why?
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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It's
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Mar 20, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Kids must be working today
In baseball statistics, total bases refers to the number of bases a player has gained with hits, i.e. the sum of his/her hits weighted by 1 for a single, 2 for a double, 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.
Only bases attained from hits count toward this total. Total bases can be calculated from commonly used baseball statistics by using the formula TB = 1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR. Singles (1B) can be represented as 1B = H − 2B − 3B − HR which, when combined with the given TB formula, allows for the reduced formula found at the top of the page
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Yes, working but not tomorrow
Why do we have to be told twice?
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Many immigrant fans
C'mom - stats, stats, and more stats!
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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I would assume
Of course, these days, the doubles, triples, HR are listed. You old timers would be more likely than I to know if they spelled those out in the papers back in the old days.
by rhythm on
Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Makes it easier to calculate slugging percentage
by Sox Machine on
Mar 20, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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They DO LIST
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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How long has it been there? I mean the S-T
Maybe I was passed out?
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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This looks like the first ST
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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July, 1951.
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Doesn't Manny Ramirez
I think the Sox are trying to gauge interest in Juan.
by BobbySouthSide on
Mar 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT
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The difference is the timing
by southsideirish71 on
Mar 20, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Speaking of TB...
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Cowely
Did a california guy steal his girlfriend or something.
by southsideirish71 on
Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Probably just jealous because
Btw, is it commonly known that Cowley had his BBWA vote suspended for a year for 'embarrassing' the organization?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Uribe probably picks (ed) up his tabs
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Wow! This is a fascinating turn of events.
by White Sox Randy on
Mar 20, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Baseball Analysts say Detroit bullpen
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/03/what_are_the_op.php
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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or it may be lights out
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Just looking for reasons to be optimistic...
With 2-6 inches of snow predicted for the 2nd day of same.
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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then focus on
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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Oh Larry
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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The horse lives!
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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Dont love him THAT much
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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exactly WU
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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lol
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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lol at you
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Larry I didnt see the spreadsheet
In this case the new info disagreed with you. Maybe that is why you take such an attitude on it because its not like I have been drilling you for weeks on it. For some dumb reason I thought you might have looked at Will's rating and made an intelligent response back to it. My bad.
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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Clock's ticking, Larry.
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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i'm fairly certain
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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Could they be in the market for Street?
by BobbySouthSide on
Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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detroit
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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How much of their farm
by omnipotent grab on
Mar 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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like all of it
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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if we release uribe...
Im not a big fan of Uribe but I hope we get someone in return or make a move soon
by The Scoper on
Mar 20, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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we're thin at just about every position
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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Look Larry
by Brush Back on
Mar 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Thin to win
Like America.
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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it's been a long time coming
by colintj on
Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Given that
by omnipotent grab on
Mar 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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everybody is thin
by ruffster on
Mar 20, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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I think this is just a product of being
This is why it is frustrating sometimes to follow KW's teams, but realistically being in constant flux has produced quality clubs for the most part.
by colintj on
Mar 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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I like this colintj
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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That really was well said....
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Mar 20, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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Props for colin!
Now get back to studying, dammit! Your parents are not paying for you to whack it on SSS!
;)
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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sheeeeeeeeeeeit
by colintj on
Mar 20, 2008 1:41 PM CDT
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If your baseball hat is on backwards
Word.
;)
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
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You sound like my dad.
by Hazymania on
Mar 20, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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Very good, very good
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Mar 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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I was thinking about this too
Crede is something more of a missed opportunity, but he's also been cheap and there are a number of mitigating circumstances. Ideally, he should have been traded after the World Series, but Josh Fields had just posted a .252/.341/.409 in AA. So we see the cost of a bad system. Every time you fail to have a replacement possibility, you lose the chance to make good on the max value of your current major leaguers. That's perhaps how Kenny realized Shafer's draft philosophy was flawed: high ceiling, low upside college pitchers are abundant and interchangeable, upside is constantly in demand, and the best value seems to be in elite college hitters (high ceiling, medium upside).
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Mar 20, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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I'm feelin' ya
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Mar 20, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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Pete, "manjack."
From the Urban Dictionary.
1. manjack
urban legend. fictitious homosexual pervert who preys on young boys. name originates from his favorite action to perform on his victims.
two boys in the gym shower after playing sports
tom: "oh shit, i think i cut my dick up."
henry: "you better cover that up, here comes manjack."
2. manjack
A turd so large that it contacts the bottom of the U-bend while still emerging from the unfortunate crapper's anus, causing him/her to be literally jacked up off the seat. There is a particular risk of manjack when using toilets of the curious German or Austrian design, which have the U-bend at the very front of the pan and a shallow "deck" for inspection of stools.
"How long are you going to be in there?"
"Sorry, got a bad case of manjack and I've run out of toilet paper".
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Mar 20, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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No no no - none of the above
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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Oh.
Math major.
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Mar 20, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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Here we go - from the script
(struts over to an available chair, using machinegun as a walking stick, kicking debris en route. sits.) Those boys were like my children, Mandrake. Now they let me down.
Mandrake:
No no, Jack. Not a bit of it. No, I'm sure they all gave you their very best. And I'm equally sure they all died thinking of you, every man jack of them, heh, Jack. Supposing a bit of water has gone off, eh? And certainly one can never be too sure about those sort of things. Would you look at me now. Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack, eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack. That's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.
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Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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Here we go - from the script
(struts over to an available chair, using machinegun as a walking stick, kicking debris en route. sits.) Those boys were like my children, Mandrake. Now they let me down.
Mandrake:
No no, Jack. Not a bit of it. No, I'm sure they all gave you their very best. And I'm equally sure they all died thinking of you, every man jack of them, heh, Jack. Supposing a bit of water has gone off, eh? And certainly one can never be too sure about those sort of things. Would you look at me now. Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack, eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack. That's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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i was confused, too
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 5:10 PM CDT
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How can you hate Uribe?
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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i don't hate uribe.
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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s/b "How can 'one' hate Uribe?"
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Also
No one would fess up to it.
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Mar 20, 2008 5:18 PM CDT
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would it also not flush?
Or maybe Champaign just generates oversized turds. Go Orange I!
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Mar 20, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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It was stuck.
MRH, but you weren't born yet. When I was a kid, we REALLY knew how to shit.
Garner, 1971.
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT
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Manjack - illustrated
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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Calling Colin.
He ain't gone YET.
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Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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I don't know that such actually happened
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Mar 21, 2008 1:40 AM CDT
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Nationals release John Patterson...
Right-hander cut from team due to 'lack of performance'"
Wow, pick him up Kenny.
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Mar 20, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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if you're getting released by the nationals
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Good point, haha...
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of course, i'll hand out non-guaranteed
by larry on
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does he throw faster than 95?
by The Wizard on
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He's an extreme flyball pithcer...
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Looking for something positive?
[RK]:
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Paul Konerko, 1B, White Sox. Jermaine Dye and Jim Thome each missed significant time last season, and the White Sox didn't have reliable table setters in '07, either. With better team health and a better offense around him, Konerko is primed for 30 homers and 100-plus RBIs. Home parks don't get much better than U.S. Cellular Field.
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seems like revocable waivers
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This could be a cool event
Northern Illinois and Notre Dame baseball square off at U.S. Cellular Field on April 16
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Darn Link
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Sox are very community oriented
Every other team sees it as another source of revenue. Greedy effers.
BTW, this is for Pete:
Remember my Mamet link last week? Looks like the WSJ has picked it up, too:
"David Mamet's Revision
March 20, 2008; Page A18
The American playwright David Mamet wrote a piece for the Village Voice last week titled, "Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal.'" Mr. Mamet, whose characters famously use the f-word as a rhythmic device (I think of it now as the "Mamet-word"), didn't himself mince words on his transition. He was riding with his wife one day, listening to National Public Radio: "I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: 'Shut the [Mamet-word] up.'" Been known to happen.
Toward the end of the essay, he names names: "I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism."
This of course is an outrage against polite American wisdom. Isn't Paul Krugman supposed to be our greatest living philosopher? One would have thought that David Mamet saying bye-bye to liberalism would have launched sputterings everywhere. But not a word.
As I think Groucho Marx once said, either no one reads the Village Voice anymore or my watch has stopped.
That one of the language's greatest living playwrights would say this in our hyperventilated political times was news worth noting in most of the English-speaking world. Commentaries appeared the past week in England, Canada and Australia. But there's been nary a peep about Mr. Mamet going over the wall in what some call the Mainstream Media.
Matt Drudge put news of the Mamet essay at the top of his Web site the day it appeared, so it was hard not to notice. Yesterday the Los Angeles Times printed an op-ed piece on it by the crime novelist Andrew Klavan, welcoming Mr. Mamet. For the most part, though, this is being treated in liberal drawing rooms like a favorite uncle gone suddenly dotty. A reporter for the Times of London put the apostasy to actor Kevin Spacey, now appearing there in Mr. Mamet's "Speed the Plough." "I didn't pay it much attention," said Mr. Spacey.
Which raises the question: If a liberal falls in the liberal forest and no one says they heard it, can you say it didn't happen? Mr. Mamet must feel like the guy in a mob movie who knows the hit is coming but has to sweat through to the bullet.
There is a more benign explanation for the silence of American punditry's liberal lambs. They have their hands full with Barack and Hillary. No playwright since blood-soaked Greece would have tried to script the furies let loose by the struggle between these two senators.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose mad lines no one would think to write -- "God damn America!" -- has returned to haunt the holy candidacy of Barack Obama. In turn, Sen. Obama has been forced to give a speech reanimating racial ghosts back to the nation's founding -- a Constitution "stained by this nation's original sin of slavery." This is primal stuff. Meanwhile the Democratic elders, in their role as Super Delegates, must wrestle with knowing that this foul poison was set by factions loyal to Hillary Clinton, whose own personal loyalties are . . . well, you don't need me to get into all that.
With blood on the party's temple floor, who has time to give a flying [Mamet-word] about what this guy thinks? (Also, his essay appeared the day after the Spitzer melodrama began its short, but unforgettable, New York run.)
Still a thought: If David Mamet says he can't take it anymore, can others be far behind? Were I a Democratic Party strategist, out on the frontier of voter sentiment, my thought would be: This is not good for Democrats. David Mamet's mind is a tuning fork of regular-guy sentiment. He's the one who wrote "Glengarry Glen Ross." He says he's been a reliable liberal all his life. All of a sudden, the party sounds off-key. What if other guys are starting to think this? What if, after Barack's charisma gets stripped away, all you're left with is "universal health care" and Hillary's blind ambition? Come November, you could be [Mamet-worded].
Hollywood does a good job of policing the public political activities and statements of its workforce. Step out of its left line, the man comes and take you away. It helps the policers that Hollywood's writers have little script autonomy. They do as told and get used to it. Playwrights, by contrast, have total control over what their scripts say. This, one suspects, affects the two trades' habits of thinking.
In a remarkable coincidence with the Mamet essay, the playwright Tom Stoppard just published a piece in the Sunday Times of London ripping the 1968 student demonstrations there, in Paris, and elsewhere. Admitting he was thought by the left even then to be "politically dubious," Mr. Stoppard says he "was embarrassed by the slogans and postures of rebellion in a society which, in London as in Paris . . . seemed to me to be the least worst system into which one might have been born -- the open liberal democracy whose very essence was the toleration of dissent."
Mr. Mamet in his (often hilarious) goodbye-to-liberalism essay credits the famed American newspaper editor William Allen White with the idea that government should basically stay out of the way of people trying to work out ways to get along and get ahead. Tom Stoppard ends with the same, central point: "The idea of the autonomy of the individual is echoed, I realize, all over the place in my writing."
Many Democrats know that individual autonomy is the moving spirit of our times. The Web is its relentless, daily metaphor. This notion is embedded in the thought of the writers David Mamet has been reading of late. Left-liberalism breeds many autonomous spirits -- but only in their private lives. The party's ethos is as it was in 1930 -- dark forces arrayed to thwart the delivery of benevolence to fragile masses. For the latest standard version, see the end of Mr. Obama's Tuesday speech on "the real culprits of the middle-class squeeze."
Unless the Democrats figure out a way to back down big brother, the years ahead likely will bring more Mamet drop-outs. Belief in autonomy may even reach Hollywood."
John Galt lives!
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Mar 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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are you sure
HEADLINE:
"Loss of David Mamet's support seen as tipping point to the end of liberalism"
SUBHEAD:
"The most influential political mind in the US changes his - everyone else to follow"
by Nordhagen on
Mar 20, 2008 3:19 PM CDT
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No, it's real...
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 3:22 PM CDT
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And don't forget:
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 3:24 PM CDT
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The Mamet rant is supposed to sway me?
He's basically saying he's going to continue with the major points of Bush's policy - which is: stay in Iraq, and keep these big ass tax cuts in place for wealthy Americans. Stay the course, thousand points of light....yeesh.
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Mar 20, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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And why, exactly, should I care?
I'll echo sentiments I recall Toonder expressing some time ago, make the decisions for yourself based on how the candidates / issues align with your thinking.
Also, A18 would seem to be in the OP-Ed section of the journal. A section which, like every OP-Ed section of every paper, is stuffed full of horse shit.
Show me a story on page A7 and then we're talking! ;)
by rhythm on
Mar 20, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Something that might interest you, WU
Here's the link:
by rhythm on
Mar 20, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I do like that
Re: Mamet or anyone else in the public eye - hopefully no one on this site takes his/her values cue from any celeb/politician/relative and does his/her own thinking. I just like to see the reaction when a "family" member flips loyalties. It's just as intriguing when a conservative becomes a Democrat.
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
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For crying out loud, will someone tell me what
But either way, neither school of traditional liberal thought is remotely vociferous these days in any conceptual or forward thinking sense. There is no team of voices on the Left who have anything coherent to add in anything other than clearly politicized, point-scoring rhetoric. Obama may differ in that regard, but he's no liberal theorist himself.
by colintj on
Mar 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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The problem is
by Brush Back on
Mar 20, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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Dees kid...
by Hazymania on
Mar 20, 2008 11:23 PM CDT
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haha
by The Wizard on
Mar 20, 2008 2:42 PM CDT
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What's with the late start today?
by The Cheat on
Mar 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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i think
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 3:25 PM CDT
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Yep - Lasorda-old news:
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Mar 20, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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the truthosaurus is back
[OSC]:
"We're excited to have Carl back with us this season," says Ducks general manager Michael Pfaff. "He's an important part of our club both on and off the field, and helps solidify both the heart of our lineup and our clubhouse."
by The Wizard on
Mar 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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He wouldn't have signed if
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21120138/
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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Good one, wiz
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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Less than a 6-minute lapse
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Mar 20, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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Reminds me of a great old joke.
So the butcher goes into the cooler and comes out w/ a duck, he plops it on the scale and the lady says "Let me see that duck"
So the butcher hands it to her over the counter.
The lady takes her index and middle fingers and sticks them up the duck's butt, then pulls her fingers out, puts her fingers to her nose and smells them. She gets a look of disgust on her face, looks at the butcher and says "This is a Boston Teal. I want a Long Island Duck. Take this back and get me a Long Island Duck."
So the butcher returns the duck to the cooler and comes back w/ another duck. The butcher puts it on the scale, then the lady says "Let me see that duck".
The lady once again sticks her fingers up the duck's butt and then smells her fingers. "This is a Canadian Mallard. Take it back. What's wrong with you, I said I want a Long Island Duck... go get me a Long Island Duck before I call the manager".
So the butcher takes it back to the cooler and comes out with another. This time he hands the duck to the lady instead of putting it on the scale.
Again the lady sticks her fingers up the duck's butt and then smells her fingers. "Ahhh, now this is a Long Island Duck".
Then the lady looks at the butcher and says "You're not from around here are you?"
The butcher says "No, I'm not"
The lady asks the butcher "Where are you from?"
The butcher turns around, drops his pants, bends over, looks at the lady and says "Why don't you tell me lady"
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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A couple to try on your buddies...
JOKE 1
YOU: Hey, remember blowing bubbles as a kid?
YOUR BUDDY: Yes.
YOU: I saw him the other day. He asked me to say "hi."
JOKE 2
YOU: If we went camping and you woke up with vaseline smeared on your butt, would you tell anyone?
YOUR BUDDY: NO!
YOU: Wanna go camping?
Oh, the hilarity.
by tailgater on
Mar 20, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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I think our generation has
But I thought this was interesting. How can I get my Jewish wife to join this church:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article415080.ece
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Ah yes, the camping joke
Another good one for poker is:
Two gay boys come back to their apartment. The one says, " Let's try something different - let's play hide and seek!" Other one say, "Ooooooo, ok - great. How do we play?" First one says, "If you find me, you get to fuck me in the ass. If you can't find me, I'll be hiding behind the sofa."
...and great hilarity ensues.
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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Fields / Ramirez / Cabrera / Konerko
by shaftr on
Mar 20, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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Well, there's a better chance of that happening...
by dantesox on
Mar 20, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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and the uribe news
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/03/the_drama_continues.html#more
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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Orioles? Who do you think?
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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Kenny probably asking for too much again
by omnipotent grab on
Mar 20, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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or realized
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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Ozuna or Ramirez
by omnipotent grab on
Mar 20, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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since he was pulled back
by The Wizard on
Mar 20, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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right
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 5:29 PM CDT
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so professor larry was correct!
by The Wizard on
Mar 20, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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more like professor ozzie was
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