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What does waiving Uribe accomplish?

It appears that the White Sox have placed Juan Uribe on some form of waivers (Updated language to satisfy Larry), though we shouldn't expect any confirmation of such until he has been claimed or passed through them completely, as they are supposed to be confidential. By rule, the White Sox are not allowed to comment on the situation. So, we can't be sure what Uribe's status is, leaving us to do what we do best; speculate.

First, lets answer what being placed on waivers means for the Uribe situation. Mark Gonzalez and Joe Cowley both cite a 72-hour period during which teams can place a claim on Uribe, allowing them to pick up Uribe and his entire salary. Other resources list a 48 hour window, but note that Saturday and Sunday don't count. So, combining those two, Uribe could be in limbo until Monday.

In the probable event that no team places a claim on Uribe, he becomes a free agent and the White Sox are still on the hook for his $4.5MM salary. The only way the Sox avoid having to pay him is if an angel of a team -- I'm looking your direction Baltimore -- comes along and places a claim, picking up the full $4.5MM in the process.

How did we get here?

When the Sox signed Uribe to his current 1-year deal in lieu of picking up his $5MM option, I called it "the best of a myraid of poor solutions" available on the free-agent market. I had no idea at the time that David Eckstein would only require a 1-year deal, or that Adam Everett could be had for $2.5MM. I went on to call the deal "far from an optimal situation, [which] gives the Sox freedom to continue to look for trades and doesn't lock them into a poor long-term situation."

Ten days later, the Sox completed the Garland for Cabrera trade, effectively making Uribe an overpriced backup. And a month after that they signed the lightly-pursued Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, whose hot spring might have given Uribe the final push out the door.

Ramirez was in the lineup in center field for the second time this spring, and had an impressive day at the plate. He walked twice, upping his spring total to 3, and hit a leafoff homerun off Ubaldo Jimenez after an extended at bat. It was a little bit rougher outing for Ramirez in the field, as he missed the cutoff man twice and nearly missed on another occasion. He was 50/50 on difficult to field balls in the gap, once taking a nice route to make a routine play look exactly that, but later faltering on a long run to a ball at the wall ultimately having the ball glance off his backhand attempt.

Just yesterday, Joe Cowley wrote of two contentious morning meetings. One can only assume there was a third this morning before Uribe was placed on waivers. It's just another case, like the Hunter-to-Rowand-to-Swisher situation before it, in which it looks like the White Sox front office has no concrete plan on how to build a team.

We applaud Kenny Williams for his ability to admit he made a mistake in signing Uribe by placing him on waivers before the season even begins. But we'd be a lot happier if he would just make the right decision in his first attempt next time.

Who's on second?

So now that Uribe, the previous leader in the competition for second base, is on the outs, who plays second? These are the options as I see them.
  • Alexei Ramirez -- The aforementioned Cuban has impressed with his bat this spring, but second is supposedly his "rawest" of positions.
  • Danny Richar -- He arrived late to camp with visa issues, and when he did show up complained of a injured back. He was a late scratch from Wednesday's game, and had a MRI to inspect the back injury.
  • Pablo Ozuna -- The Secret Weapon has exceeded my dubiously low expectations for him this spring. I expected him to be complete waste of space following his return from a broken leg last season, but he's appeared healthy from the very start of spring. I did note that he was unable to beat out a ball in the hole in Monday's game, which could signal that the loss of speed I had feared has arrived.
  • Trade -- There have been some unsubstantiated rumors of Brian Roberts (purely because the Cubs want him) and Mark Ellis (because Oakland is selling off anyone over age 26), but I can't see the Sox making a major trade between now and Opening Day that doesn't include Joe Crede.
I'd give Ramirez the inside track to be the opening day starter, with Richar probably headed to Charlotte or the DL. Ozuna has served as a passable backup for the last 3 seasons, but shouldn't be considered for a starting role.

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The other rumor
Are the Sox in the running for Roberts?

by phastphil on Mar 19, 2008 8:25 PM CDT   0 recs

i dont see how thats even possible
we have nothing in our system, and whats left, we cant afford to trade.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 19, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...
we have some stuff to trade. Poreda, for one. I'd personally drive up to Chi-town and whoop the stealthy ninjas ass if he traded Poreda.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

like i said
the little we do have, we cant afford to trade. Poreda should be pretty much untouchable as of right now (i believe hes still not eligble to be traded yet either)
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh
I think we've said "so and so should be untouchable" each of the past couple off-seasons.  Chris Young was entering that territory before he went for Vazquez and I'd say DLS was close to that territory as well.  If you're in this organization and you're under 22 years of age, you're not safe (to stay with the Sox) no matter how high your 'ceiling' is.  That's why I don't want to attach myself too much with John Shelby -- it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was the next to go.

by CWSKeith on Mar 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

injury update
[Mark Gonzales]:
Reliever Scott Linebrink, however, was scratched from pitching through at least Saturday because of recurring back pain.

Second baseman Danny Richar virtually fell out of the running for the second base job because of recurring back pain that caused him to undergo an MRI.

On the upside, Alexei Ramirez strengthened his case to make the team by going 2-for-3 with his first home run and raising his batting average to .366.

"He can play every day, I think," Guillen said. "At second, we have to work on [him defensively] to get him better."

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 8:51 PM CDT   0 recs

where did "we" hear
it was irrevocable waivers?

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:00 PM CDT   0 recs

CSN
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's a tv station
who said it? i think people don't necessarily understand the waiver process. ozzie, who may or may not be a person to trust, seemed to think uribe was on major league waivers.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

satisfy me, huh
just pointing out that just because juan has been placed on waivers, it doesn't necessarily follow that he gone.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right...
even if he was put on waivers, which isn't a sure thing (as we never know for sure unless there is a good source that leaks it, usually after the player is pulled back off) ... the Sox can still pull him back.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

from merkin
[Scott Merkin]:
Even if Uribe was put on waivers, it doesn't necessarily mean the White Sox couldn't pull him back.

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Ramirez
Is it possible that he plays SS if 2B proves to be too much? I like the dimension he brings to the team, but not if it sacrifices D. I thought Uribe would be worth a shot at second, but I am not going to cry over seeing him go. If it means another roster spot for a bench player Fields i'm all for it. We need to address the OF debacle first anyhow. I would like to see Anderson start out there if Owens continues to play lame. Quentin? Qustion Mark.

by oldComiskey91 on Mar 19, 2008 9:22 PM CDT   0 recs

If this goes through, this could be against KW's
"win now" strategy.  Could it be that he may actually NOT start JO at CF?  Could he be finally making sense of it all?  If Uribe splits town (like a banana), that could give playing time to Fields and Ramirez, continuing their development, and secure a spot for Anderson.  It's odd how giving up a solid defensive player may actually benefit this team immediately, but I think it will.
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by Raf on Mar 19, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love how ya...
equate Uribe leaving town with a food metaphor (simile)
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

props to raf
If Uribe splits town (like a banana)

that was awesome!

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cheat...
You did have an awfully low opinion of Ozuna after breaking his leg last season. I think you said he'd be lucky if his career wasn't over. Not verbatim, but ya get the jist.

I too am surprised he's performing this well. He's still nothing more than an overpaid utility guy, and I think that Bourgeois is a better option than he is. He's faster, IMO. And he has had some success this spring.

You seem to leave Bourgeois out of the mix. Something happen to him in the past few days that I missed? OZzie seems to love him.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:35 PM CDT   0 recs

It's not like he had much to go on
prior to the injury.

From July 1, 2006 until he broke his leg he compiled a .240/.277/.324 batting line.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly...
His only value is that he won't embarrass too badly at multiple positions in the field, and he can go on hot streaks at the plate every now and then (early 2006)
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

but what of...
our Frenchman?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But why waive Uribe now?
I wonder if the Sox expected Crede's salary to be gone, and are having to reconfigure the payroll to accommodate keeping him. I just don't understand what would have prodded the Sox to put Uribe on waivers at this point. That may sound like accusing the Sox of being cheap, but it's not meant to -- they have a substantial budget but there are limits. Trying to trim payroll would be a legit motivation

The other possibility is that the Sox are so impressed with Ramirez (and to a lesser extent Jason BourIcantspellit) that they really want them to get major league at-bats. That would be a good way to decide if Ramirez can replace Cabrera next season. But it would be surpassingly surprising to me. Ramirez is a big gamble and Richar just had an MRI on his back. Dropping Uribe now seems like a risky move for a risk-averse team.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Is it official?
I am out in tucson right now, and while at the game, on my way to purchase some soft-serve in a mini sox helmet, i ran into one juan uribe in street clothes (wearing his WS ring too)  he and i talked and he told me that the sox were going to win the WS this year.  20min later i got a call about him getting waived.

by Timmy13 on Mar 19, 2008 9:53 PM CDT   0 recs

can't comment due to the ongoing investigation
just kidding, nobody in official capacity can confirm/deny it...

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We don't know
and given the secrecy of waivers, there's no way to know until he's no longer with the team.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The only way
this makes any sense whatsoever is if this is revocable waivers. So they are just checking to see if anyone wants to pick up his salary. If not pull him back. In which case this is much ado about nothing.

I mean even if you think that Ramirez is gonna be your 2B why get of Uribe before you're sure that he is ready defensively? I mean wouldn't you have put Ramirez at 2B instead of CF the last 2 days if you were deciding whether he could handle it well enough to release Uribe?

by bhoov on Mar 19, 2008 10:36 PM CDT   0 recs

If it's revocable
then it's all just sound and fury.  No one's going to claim Uribe and pay his salary, and the CWS won't outright release him and eat his salary.  This is Joe Crede redux, I don't see any market for these two with the money they're making this year.  Especially Uribe, he was negative VORP last year -  why pay $4mm for that?
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 7:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't think it's much ado about nothing
it's sort of unusual to put a player on waivers like this during ST. it certainly provides some insight into sox organizational thinking, whatever happens eventually.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

joe crede come on down
[baseballmusings]:
Adding to the Dodgers injury woes at third base, Nomar Garciappra has a broken hand:

    Garciaparra had an MRI on Wednesday in Los Angeles that revealed a microfracture. The Dodgers do not consider the injury to be as serious as a complete fracture of a bone, and expect to know more once the 34-year-old is examined Thursday by the team's medical staff in Arizona.

Maybe they can fix it with a nano-cast.

Joe Torre seems to like Blake DeWitt. Of course, Inge and Crede are available. The fact that both are out there may keep the Dodgers from giving up too much to acquire one of them.

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 10:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Any chance
that this Uribe thing has something to do with Barry Bonds?
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 10:49 PM CDT   0 recs

Everything has something to do with Barry Bonds.
Always.
"P.S. if Cintron gets traded or released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07

by mjthor on Mar 20, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

VG,
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 6:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Box score question:
Why the category Total Bases?  I mean, if the box score shows Thome hit a HR and had no other hits, why does 4 show up in TB?  Wouldn't that be obvious?  Or...
Wouldn't TB be more accurate if it included walks, HBP, and stolen bases?

Thx in advance (I'll hand up and listen to your answer).

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 7:29 AM CDT   0 recs

At 56,
don't you have better thing to do with your time? ; )
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess at 56, Gramps, it's not
surprising that I just noticed TB in yesterday's box.
But I'm serious about the question... When, and why?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's
a summation of all + offensive activity. 1 glance - almost an OPS for the day. I agree BBs, maybe HBPs, not SBs though.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kids must be working today
Here:

In baseball statistics, total bases refers to the number of bases a player has gained with hits, i.e. the sum of his/her hits weighted by 1 for a single, 2 for a double, 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.

Only bases attained from hits count toward this total. Total bases can be calculated from commonly used baseball statistics by using the formula TB = 1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR. Singles (1B) can be represented as 1B = H − 2B − 3B − HR which, when combined with the given TB formula, allows for the reduced formula found at the top of the page

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, working but not tomorrow
So to repeat, what's the point?  Thome has 1 HR and 2 2Bs it's pretty obvious he has 8 TB, right?
Why do we have to be told twice?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Many immigrant fans
can't add/multiply?

C'mom - stats, stats, and more stats!

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would assume
it has to do with saving space in box scores. If you have TB listed, you don't need to list how many doubles, triples, HRs that people hit.

Of course, these days, the doubles, triples, HR are listed. You old timers would be more likely than I to know if they spelled those out in the papers back in the old days.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Makes it easier to calculate slugging percentage
Easier than taking the hit total, then subtracting 2B, 3B and HR to figure out how many singles.

by Sox Machine on Mar 20, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They DO LIST
how many doubles, triples, HRs that people hit.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How long has it been there? I mean the S-T
for example doesn't even have OBP in their stats box, but TB is in the box score?
Maybe I was passed out?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This looks like the first ST
that I've seen it.
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

July, 1951.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't Manny Ramirez
Clear waivers every year just about?  I guess it matters on the type of waiver Uribe was put on.

I think the Sox are trying to gauge interest in Juan.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT   0 recs

The difference is the timing
They put Ramirez on later after the trade deadline, when all teams put a large amount of their players on waivers.

by southsideirish71 on Mar 20, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of TB...
Cowley says he's in today's lineup.  Hope he doesn't pull something (other than a fastball over the LF wall).
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Cowely
was upset about the idea that we would trade or ditch Juan Uribe.  Its amazing how many favorites this guy picks.  Jon Garland and Brian Anderson bad, west coast guys, more interested in the hunnies or surfing meanwhile a bad player like Uribe is a keeper.  I don't get it.  

Did a california guy steal his girlfriend or something.  

by southsideirish71 on Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably just jealous because
he went to school in Ohio.
Btw, is it commonly known that Cowley had his BBWA vote suspended for a year for 'embarrassing' the organization?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uribe probably picks (ed) up his tabs
at the out of town buffet tables.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow! This is a fascinating turn of events.
Now, we know that the Sox are willing to trade Juan Uribe.

by White Sox Randy on Mar 20, 2008 10:28 AM CDT   0 recs

or it may be lights out
doesn't look good now but who knows with bullpens. prior to the season, how many people liked arizona's pen last year? or the sox pen in 2005? i'd say they should be more concerned about their starters.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just looking for reasons to be optimistic...
Today IS the 1st day of spring.

With 2-6 inches of snow predicted for the 2nd day of same.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then focus on
how they're an old offensive team, with basically nothing in the cupboard to replenish themselves should the need arise, who are counting on two guys who had ERAs over 5.00 last year and another who is old and missed most of the season. the assertion that detroit has a deep 1-5 is pretty ridiculous. someone needs to realize that 2006 was one year and, outside of verlander, there isn't a whole lot of reason to think it will be replicated.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh Larry
I see that a Mr Magglio Ordonez was "green" in the Detroit Health Reports.
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The horse lives!
TD, you love Maggs, esp. in fantasy baseball, and larry expects a decline from last year.  Anything new to this?
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont love him THAT much
Esp since I passed on him in my draft. There was just some debate on his health prospects and I said I would wait for Will's column on Detroit. No horse to beat I'll let it go.
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly WU
carroll posted that, what, a month ago? more? yawn.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
March 17th?
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol at you
the spreadsheet with every team was posted a long time ago. this is old news. did you also not hear that no country for old men won best picture?

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Larry I didnt see the spreadsheet
Thus I didnt comment on it. I did read Will's column which was printed 3 days ago. As WU said I dont believe in beating dead horses either unless their is new information. To me it was. In our conversation it was. I made a point that when this info came out I would bring it back up. This is the 1st time I did. You frequently link and bring up such information on a regular basis.

In this case the new info disagreed with you. Maybe that is why you take such an attitude on it because its not like I have been drilling you for weeks on it. For some dumb reason I thought you might have looked at Will's rating and made an intelligent response back to it. My bad.

Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Clock's ticking, Larry.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm fairly certain
i referenced it already in our discussions. rather the point was that i disagreed with you and others who think maggs is in fine physical shape.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Could they be in the market for Street?
I have a feeling he is going to be moved by the A's pretty soon.
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

detroit
arguably has less than us to trade.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How much of their farm
did they trade away? The only prospect that I know they have is Porcello.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

like all of it
they have a few overslot guys from last year's draft other than porcello but almost nothing at the upper levels. those guys haven't even played pro ball yet.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if we release uribe...
wouldnt we be thin, with unproven players at 2B?  We would be stuck with Ramirez, Ozuna, and an ailing Richar.  Say ramriez gets hurt then we are pretty much stuck with Ozuna, who we dont know can last a full season on leg, and Richar, with gimpy back.

Im not a big fan of Uribe but I hope we get someone in return or make a move soon

by The Scoper on Mar 20, 2008 11:36 AM CDT   0 recs

Look Larry
No fat joke was added - Yet
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thin to win
We're fat with opinions and specious commentary, though!

Like America.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's been a long time coming
at short! Whaaaaackity smackittty doooooo!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Given that
werent going to be competing this year anyway I dont see it as much of a loss. Lets see what Ramirez can do and then Richar once his back is feeling better. Ozuna will likely provide similar offense to what Uribe would have provided.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs