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What does waiving Uribe accomplish?

It appears that the White Sox have placed Juan Uribe on some form of waivers (Updated language to satisfy Larry), though we shouldn't expect any confirmation of such until he has been claimed or passed through them completely, as they are supposed to be confidential. By rule, the White Sox are not allowed to comment on the situation. So, we can't be sure what Uribe's status is, leaving us to do what we do best; speculate.

First, lets answer what being placed on waivers means for the Uribe situation. Mark Gonzalez and Joe Cowley both cite a 72-hour period during which teams can place a claim on Uribe, allowing them to pick up Uribe and his entire salary. Other resources list a 48 hour window, but note that Saturday and Sunday don't count. So, combining those two, Uribe could be in limbo until Monday.

In the probable event that no team places a claim on Uribe, he becomes a free agent and the White Sox are still on the hook for his $4.5MM salary. The only way the Sox avoid having to pay him is if an angel of a team -- I'm looking your direction Baltimore -- comes along and places a claim, picking up the full $4.5MM in the process.

How did we get here?

When the Sox signed Uribe to his current 1-year deal in lieu of picking up his $5MM option, I called it "the best of a myraid of poor solutions" available on the free-agent market. I had no idea at the time that David Eckstein would only require a 1-year deal, or that Adam Everett could be had for $2.5MM. I went on to call the deal "far from an optimal situation, [which] gives the Sox freedom to continue to look for trades and doesn't lock them into a poor long-term situation."

Ten days later, the Sox completed the Garland for Cabrera trade, effectively making Uribe an overpriced backup. And a month after that they signed the lightly-pursued Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, whose hot spring might have given Uribe the final push out the door.

Ramirez was in the lineup in center field for the second time this spring, and had an impressive day at the plate. He walked twice, upping his spring total to 3, and hit a leafoff homerun off Ubaldo Jimenez after an extended at bat. It was a little bit rougher outing for Ramirez in the field, as he missed the cutoff man twice and nearly missed on another occasion. He was 50/50 on difficult to field balls in the gap, once taking a nice route to make a routine play look exactly that, but later faltering on a long run to a ball at the wall ultimately having the ball glance off his backhand attempt.

Just yesterday, Joe Cowley wrote of two contentious morning meetings. One can only assume there was a third this morning before Uribe was placed on waivers. It's just another case, like the Hunter-to-Rowand-to-Swisher situation before it, in which it looks like the White Sox front office has no concrete plan on how to build a team.

We applaud Kenny Williams for his ability to admit he made a mistake in signing Uribe by placing him on waivers before the season even begins. But we'd be a lot happier if he would just make the right decision in his first attempt next time.

Who's on second?

So now that Uribe, the previous leader in the competition for second base, is on the outs, who plays second? These are the options as I see them.
  • Alexei Ramirez -- The aforementioned Cuban has impressed with his bat this spring, but second is supposedly his "rawest" of positions.
  • Danny Richar -- He arrived late to camp with visa issues, and when he did show up complained of a injured back. He was a late scratch from Wednesday's game, and had a MRI to inspect the back injury.
  • Pablo Ozuna -- The Secret Weapon has exceeded my dubiously low expectations for him this spring. I expected him to be complete waste of space following his return from a broken leg last season, but he's appeared healthy from the very start of spring. I did note that he was unable to beat out a ball in the hole in Monday's game, which could signal that the loss of speed I had feared has arrived.
  • Trade -- There have been some unsubstantiated rumors of Brian Roberts (purely because the Cubs want him) and Mark Ellis (because Oakland is selling off anyone over age 26), but I can't see the Sox making a major trade between now and Opening Day that doesn't include Joe Crede.
I'd give Ramirez the inside track to be the opening day starter, with Richar probably headed to Charlotte or the DL. Ozuna has served as a passable backup for the last 3 seasons, but shouldn't be considered for a starting role.

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The other rumor
Are the Sox in the running for Roberts?

by phastphil on Mar 19, 2008 8:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont see how thats even possible
we have nothing in our system, and whats left, we cant afford to trade.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 19, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...
we have some stuff to trade. Poreda, for one. I'd personally drive up to Chi-town and whoop the stealthy ninjas ass if he traded Poreda.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like i said
the little we do have, we cant afford to trade. Poreda should be pretty much untouchable as of right now (i believe hes still not eligble to be traded yet either)
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh
I think we've said "so and so should be untouchable" each of the past couple off-seasons.  Chris Young was entering that territory before he went for Vazquez and I'd say DLS was close to that territory as well.  If you're in this organization and you're under 22 years of age, you're not safe (to stay with the Sox) no matter how high your 'ceiling' is.  That's why I don't want to attach myself too much with John Shelby -- it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was the next to go.

by CWSKeith on Mar 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

injury update
[Mark Gonzales]:
Reliever Scott Linebrink, however, was scratched from pitching through at least Saturday because of recurring back pain.

Second baseman Danny Richar virtually fell out of the running for the second base job because of recurring back pain that caused him to undergo an MRI.

On the upside, Alexei Ramirez strengthened his case to make the team by going 2-for-3 with his first home run and raising his batting average to .366.

"He can play every day, I think," Guillen said. "At second, we have to work on [him defensively] to get him better."

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

where did "we" hear
it was irrevocable waivers?

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a tv station
who said it? i think people don't necessarily understand the waiver process. ozzie, who may or may not be a person to trust, seemed to think uribe was on major league waivers.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

satisfy me, huh
just pointing out that just because juan has been placed on waivers, it doesn't necessarily follow that he gone.

by larry on Mar 19, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right...
even if he was put on waivers, which isn't a sure thing (as we never know for sure unless there is a good source that leaks it, usually after the player is pulled back off) ... the Sox can still pull him back.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

from merkin
[Scott Merkin]:
Even if Uribe was put on waivers, it doesn't necessarily mean the White Sox couldn't pull him back.

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ramirez
Is it possible that he plays SS if 2B proves to be too much? I like the dimension he brings to the team, but not if it sacrifices D. I thought Uribe would be worth a shot at second, but I am not going to cry over seeing him go. If it means another roster spot for a bench player Fields i'm all for it. We need to address the OF debacle first anyhow. I would like to see Anderson start out there if Owens continues to play lame. Quentin? Qustion Mark.

by oldComiskey91 on Mar 19, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If this goes through, this could be against KW's
"win now" strategy.  Could it be that he may actually NOT start JO at CF?  Could he be finally making sense of it all?  If Uribe splits town (like a banana), that could give playing time to Fields and Ramirez, continuing their development, and secure a spot for Anderson.  It's odd how giving up a solid defensive player may actually benefit this team immediately, but I think it will.
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by Raf on Mar 19, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love how ya...
equate Uribe leaving town with a food metaphor (simile)
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

props to raf
If Uribe splits town (like a banana)

that was awesome!

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheat...
You did have an awfully low opinion of Ozuna after breaking his leg last season. I think you said he'd be lucky if his career wasn't over. Not verbatim, but ya get the jist.

I too am surprised he's performing this well. He's still nothing more than an overpaid utility guy, and I think that Bourgeois is a better option than he is. He's faster, IMO. And he has had some success this spring.

You seem to leave Bourgeois out of the mix. Something happen to him in the past few days that I missed? OZzie seems to love him.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not like he had much to go on
prior to the injury.

From July 1, 2006 until he broke his leg he compiled a .240/.277/.324 batting line.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly...
His only value is that he won't embarrass too badly at multiple positions in the field, and he can go on hot streaks at the plate every now and then (early 2006)
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but what of...
our Frenchman?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But why waive Uribe now?
I wonder if the Sox expected Crede's salary to be gone, and are having to reconfigure the payroll to accommodate keeping him. I just don't understand what would have prodded the Sox to put Uribe on waivers at this point. That may sound like accusing the Sox of being cheap, but it's not meant to -- they have a substantial budget but there are limits. Trying to trim payroll would be a legit motivation

The other possibility is that the Sox are so impressed with Ramirez (and to a lesser extent Jason BourIcantspellit) that they really want them to get major league at-bats. That would be a good way to decide if Ramirez can replace Cabrera next season. But it would be surpassingly surprising to me. Ramirez is a big gamble and Richar just had an MRI on his back. Dropping Uribe now seems like a risky move for a risk-averse team.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it official?
I am out in tucson right now, and while at the game, on my way to purchase some soft-serve in a mini sox helmet, i ran into one juan uribe in street clothes (wearing his WS ring too)  he and i talked and he told me that the sox were going to win the WS this year.  20min later i got a call about him getting waived.

by Timmy13 on Mar 19, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't comment due to the ongoing investigation
just kidding, nobody in official capacity can confirm/deny it...

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't know
and given the secrecy of waivers, there's no way to know until he's no longer with the team.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2008 10:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only way
this makes any sense whatsoever is if this is revocable waivers. So they are just checking to see if anyone wants to pick up his salary. If not pull him back. In which case this is much ado about nothing.

I mean even if you think that Ramirez is gonna be your 2B why get of Uribe before you're sure that he is ready defensively? I mean wouldn't you have put Ramirez at 2B instead of CF the last 2 days if you were deciding whether he could handle it well enough to release Uribe?

by bhoov on Mar 19, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it's revocable
then it's all just sound and fury.  No one's going to claim Uribe and pay his salary, and the CWS won't outright release him and eat his salary.  This is Joe Crede redux, I don't see any market for these two with the money they're making this year.  Especially Uribe, he was negative VORP last year -  why pay $4mm for that?
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 7:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think it's much ado about nothing
it's sort of unusual to put a player on waivers like this during ST. it certainly provides some insight into sox organizational thinking, whatever happens eventually.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

joe crede come on down
[baseballmusings]:
Adding to the Dodgers injury woes at third base, Nomar Garciappra has a broken hand:

    Garciaparra had an MRI on Wednesday in Los Angeles that revealed a microfracture. The Dodgers do not consider the injury to be as serious as a complete fracture of a bone, and expect to know more once the 34-year-old is examined Thursday by the team's medical staff in Arizona.

Maybe they can fix it with a nano-cast.

Joe Torre seems to like Blake DeWitt. Of course, Inge and Crede are available. The fact that both are out there may keep the Dodgers from giving up too much to acquire one of them.

by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Any chance
that this Uribe thing has something to do with Barry Bonds?
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 10:49 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everything has something to do with Barry Bonds.
Always.
"P.S. if Cintron gets traded or released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07

by mjthor on Mar 20, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VG,
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 6:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Box score question:
Why the category Total Bases?  I mean, if the box score shows Thome hit a HR and had no other hits, why does 4 show up in TB?  Wouldn't that be obvious?  Or...
Wouldn't TB be more accurate if it included walks, HBP, and stolen bases?

Thx in advance (I'll hand up and listen to your answer).

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 7:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At 56,
don't you have better thing to do with your time? ; )
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess at 56, Gramps, it's not
surprising that I just noticed TB in yesterday's box.
But I'm serious about the question... When, and why?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's
a summation of all + offensive activity. 1 glance - almost an OPS for the day. I agree BBs, maybe HBPs, not SBs though.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kids must be working today
Here:

In baseball statistics, total bases refers to the number of bases a player has gained with hits, i.e. the sum of his/her hits weighted by 1 for a single, 2 for a double, 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.

Only bases attained from hits count toward this total. Total bases can be calculated from commonly used baseball statistics by using the formula TB = 1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR. Singles (1B) can be represented as 1B = H − 2B − 3B − HR which, when combined with the given TB formula, allows for the reduced formula found at the top of the page

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, working but not tomorrow
So to repeat, what's the point?  Thome has 1 HR and 2 2Bs it's pretty obvious he has 8 TB, right?
Why do we have to be told twice?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Many immigrant fans
can't add/multiply?

C'mom - stats, stats, and more stats!

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would assume
it has to do with saving space in box scores. If you have TB listed, you don't need to list how many doubles, triples, HRs that people hit.

Of course, these days, the doubles, triples, HR are listed. You old timers would be more likely than I to know if they spelled those out in the papers back in the old days.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Makes it easier to calculate slugging percentage
Easier than taking the hit total, then subtracting 2B, 3B and HR to figure out how many singles.

by Sox Machine on Mar 20, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They DO LIST
how many doubles, triples, HRs that people hit.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How long has it been there? I mean the S-T
for example doesn't even have OBP in their stats box, but TB is in the box score?
Maybe I was passed out?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This looks like the first ST
that I've seen it.
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

July, 1951.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't Manny Ramirez
Clear waivers every year just about?  I guess it matters on the type of waiver Uribe was put on.

I think the Sox are trying to gauge interest in Juan.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference is the timing
They put Ramirez on later after the trade deadline, when all teams put a large amount of their players on waivers.

by southsideirish71 on Mar 20, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of TB...
Cowley says he's in today's lineup.  Hope he doesn't pull something (other than a fastball over the LF wall).
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cowely
was upset about the idea that we would trade or ditch Juan Uribe.  Its amazing how many favorites this guy picks.  Jon Garland and Brian Anderson bad, west coast guys, more interested in the hunnies or surfing meanwhile a bad player like Uribe is a keeper.  I don't get it.  

Did a california guy steal his girlfriend or something.  

by southsideirish71 on Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably just jealous because
he went to school in Ohio.
Btw, is it commonly known that Cowley had his BBWA vote suspended for a year for 'embarrassing' the organization?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uribe probably picks (ed) up his tabs
at the out of town buffet tables.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow! This is a fascinating turn of events.
Now, we know that the Sox are willing to trade Juan Uribe.

by White Sox Randy on Mar 20, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or it may be lights out
doesn't look good now but who knows with bullpens. prior to the season, how many people liked arizona's pen last year? or the sox pen in 2005? i'd say they should be more concerned about their starters.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just looking for reasons to be optimistic...
Today IS the 1st day of spring.

With 2-6 inches of snow predicted for the 2nd day of same.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then focus on
how they're an old offensive team, with basically nothing in the cupboard to replenish themselves should the need arise, who are counting on two guys who had ERAs over 5.00 last year and another who is old and missed most of the season. the assertion that detroit has a deep 1-5 is pretty ridiculous. someone needs to realize that 2006 was one year and, outside of verlander, there isn't a whole lot of reason to think it will be replicated.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Larry
I see that a Mr Magglio Ordonez was "green" in the Detroit Health Reports.
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The horse lives!
TD, you love Maggs, esp. in fantasy baseball, and larry expects a decline from last year.  Anything new to this?
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont love him THAT much
Esp since I passed on him in my draft. There was just some debate on his health prospects and I said I would wait for Will's column on Detroit. No horse to beat I'll let it go.
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly WU
carroll posted that, what, a month ago? more? yawn.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol
March 17th?
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol at you
the spreadsheet with every team was posted a long time ago. this is old news. did you also not hear that no country for old men won best picture?

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry I didnt see the spreadsheet
Thus I didnt comment on it. I did read Will's column which was printed 3 days ago. As WU said I dont believe in beating dead horses either unless their is new information. To me it was. In our conversation it was. I made a point that when this info came out I would bring it back up. This is the 1st time I did. You frequently link and bring up such information on a regular basis.

In this case the new info disagreed with you. Maybe that is why you take such an attitude on it because its not like I have been drilling you for weeks on it. For some dumb reason I thought you might have looked at Will's rating and made an intelligent response back to it. My bad.

Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clock's ticking, Larry.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm fairly certain
i referenced it already in our discussions. rather the point was that i disagreed with you and others who think maggs is in fine physical shape.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could they be in the market for Street?
I have a feeling he is going to be moved by the A's pretty soon.
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

detroit
arguably has less than us to trade.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much of their farm
did they trade away? The only prospect that I know they have is Porcello.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like all of it
they have a few overslot guys from last year's draft other than porcello but almost nothing at the upper levels. those guys haven't even played pro ball yet.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we release uribe...
wouldnt we be thin, with unproven players at 2B?  We would be stuck with Ramirez, Ozuna, and an ailing Richar.  Say ramriez gets hurt then we are pretty much stuck with Ozuna, who we dont know can last a full season on leg, and Richar, with gimpy back.

Im not a big fan of Uribe but I hope we get someone in return or make a move soon

by The Scoper on Mar 20, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look Larry
No fat joke was added - Yet
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thin to win
We're fat with opinions and specious commentary, though!

Like America.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's been a long time coming
at short! Whaaaaackity smackittty doooooo!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given that
werent going to be competing this year anyway I dont see it as much of a loss. Lets see what Ramirez can do and then Richar once his back is feeling better. Ozuna will likely provide similar offense to what Uribe would have provided.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everybody is thin
... who has extra $$$ to toss around for starting-quality players on the bench?

by ruffster on Mar 20, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this is just a product of being
willing to adapt and being fairly trade oriented (versus FA or draft oriented?) when it comes to making player acquisition.  The most volatile and least predictable market when it comes to acquiring specific assets would be by trade, right?  And if you can't predict future assets especially well knowing which current ones to hang onto is difficult.  So the cost of making sure we had any shortstop at all is the cost of managing personnel the way KW does.  

This is why it is frustrating sometimes to follow KW's teams, but realistically being in constant flux has produced quality clubs for the most part.  

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this colintj
I dont think I have ever really read it phrased this way.
Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 20, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That really was well said....
I've thought as much but never quite able to put it so articulately.

by dantesox on Mar 20, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Props for colin!
Good to see you putting that high-priced education to work.

Now get back to studying, dammit!  Your parents are not paying for you to whack it on SSS!

;)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sheeeeeeeeeeeit
I'm on vacation dude, taking the semester off. We writers just write, yo.  Can't stop the flow.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If your baseball hat is on backwards
I'm going to come and spin it the right way, dude.

Word.

;)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You sound like my dad.
"The only people who should wear their hats backwards are catchers."
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 20, 2008 2:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very good, very good
But this begs the question - if this is your strategy, what happens when you run out of tradeable assets?  eg, Crede & Uribe are not tradeable now, because no one wants them.
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking about this too
what was the cost of Juan and what was his highest value and were we prepared to capitalize on it? These answers are critical to judging KW's success with this method.  His market value has always been relatively low, so the initial cost (Aaron Miles right?) was low and we never had any replacements for Uribe so the only way we could capitalize on his value was to play him.  We always valued him more highly than the market did and for good reason I would suggest.  In the Cell and with a groundballing staff (and a smallish OF that makes flyballs easier to defend), Profundo was a very good and cheap fit both offensively and defensively until last year.  

Crede is something more of a missed opportunity, but he's also been cheap and there are a number of mitigating circumstances.  Ideally, he should have been traded after the World Series, but Josh Fields had just posted a .252/.341/.409 in AA.  So we see the cost of a bad system.  Every time you fail to have a replacement possibility, you lose the chance to make good on the max value of your current major leaguers.  That's perhaps how Kenny realized Shafer's draft philosophy was flawed: high ceiling, low upside college pitchers are abundant and interchangeable, upside is constantly in demand, and the best value seems to be in elite college hitters (high ceiling, medium upside).  

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm feelin' ya
It's a sound strategy, and certainly one way to game the system and optimize your assets.  You know what the one major flaw in KWs strategy is?  You're fucked if you WIN THE WORLD SERIES!  If you win the WS, you can't trade your assets at their peak value because, hey, these guys just won the WS for you and the fans love 'em all - every single last manjack of 'em, even down to that fat banana-loving Dominican with the -15VORP.  So you win the WS and now you feel pressured to keep these guys around because the fans get warm and fuzzy seeing them out there and you can't blow it up because you'll lose hard earned season ticket holders.  And eventually you get stuck with an old, expensive, declining roster and you can't get rid of any of these guys unless you give 'em up for a borderline A-ball pitcher.
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pete, "manjack."
Which definition were you referencing?

From the Urban Dictionary.

1.      manjack     

urban legend. fictitious homosexual pervert who preys on young boys. name originates from his favorite action to perform on his victims.

two boys in the gym shower after playing sports

tom: "oh shit, i think i cut my dick up."
henry: "you better cover that up, here comes manjack."

2.     manjack    

A turd so large that it contacts the bottom of the U-bend while still emerging from the unfortunate crapper's anus, causing him/her to be literally jacked up off the seat. There is a particular risk of manjack when using toilets of the curious German or Austrian design, which have the U-bend at the very front of the pan and a shallow "deck" for inspection of stools.

"How long are you going to be in there?"
"Sorry, got a bad case of manjack and I've run out of toilet paper".

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No no no - none of the above
Dr. Strangelove was on the other night, manjack is part of a line that Colonel Mandrake used when he's trying to talk sense into General Ripper.
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh.
Honestly, I look up about 5% of the multisyllable words posted on the site.

Math major.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go - from the script
Ripper:

(struts over to an available chair, using machinegun as a walking stick, kicking debris en route. sits.) Those boys were like my children, Mandrake. Now they let me down.

Mandrake:

No no, Jack. Not a bit of it. No, I'm sure they all gave you their very best. And I'm equally sure they all died thinking of you, every man jack of them, heh, Jack. Supposing a bit of water has gone off, eh? And certainly one can never be too sure about those sort of things. Would you look at me now. Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack, eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack. That's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go - from the script
Ripper:

(struts over to an available chair, using machinegun as a walking stick, kicking debris en route. sits.) Those boys were like my children, Mandrake. Now they let me down.

Mandrake:

No no, Jack. Not a bit of it. No, I'm sure they all gave you their very best. And I'm equally sure they all died thinking of you, every man jack of them, heh, Jack. Supposing a bit of water has gone off, eh? And certainly one can never be too sure about those sort of things. Would you look at me now. Do I look all rancid and clotted? You look at me, Jack, eh? Look, eh? And I drink a lot of water, you know. I'm what you might call a water man, Jack. That's what I am. And I can swear to you, my boy, swear to you, that there's nothing wrong with my bodily fluids. Not a thing, Jackie.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was confused, too
not making them one word is rather key. i thought he'd ratcheted his uribe hate down to a new low.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How can you hate Uribe?
I mean, without a shred of irony, he's a WS hero man!  He'll always have a place in my heart.
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

s/b "How can 'one' hate Uribe?"
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
#2, A turd so large that it ........, reminds me of a turd I witnessed first hand in the UI dorm when I was a soph. THIS BABY was standing straight up in the toilet and was (i'm not shitting you, no pun) 8" or 9" in length and 2+" in diameter. Massive.

No one would fess up to it.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would it also not flush?
if so, Snyder Hall, '99?  I'm guessing you meant U of Illinois in Champaign/Urbana.

Or maybe Champaign just generates oversized turds.  Go Orange I!

by coffeepac on Mar 20, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was stuck.
Can't remember how it was disposed of.

MRH, but you weren't born yet. When I was a kid, we REALLY knew how to shit.

Garner, 1971.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manjack - illustrated
"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 5:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Calling Colin.
Where's the chicken leg?

He ain't gone YET.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know that such actually happened
to me it is about how badly that '07 first half killed the value of all of the old guys so rapidly and at the same time.  this combined with the emergence of DLS, CC and revival of Gio shifted the asset spread well askew of what KW anticipated and, moreover, what statheads expected.  I still haven't seen someone from BP say that they got the number of wins right but for the wrong reasons.  Part of this is the site updates the new cards every year, but also because BP in general doesn't do enough public self-critique.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 21, 2008 1:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you're getting released by the nationals
i think maybe that's a "stay away sign." he's had, what, two surgeries in two years?

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point, haha...
Tim Redding is in their rotation.

by SSH2005 on Mar 20, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course, i'll hand out non-guaranteed
minor league contracts to just about anyone. so if that's all we're talking about, have at it, KW.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's an extreme flyball pithcer...
Doubt he'd succeed here anyway.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 20, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking for something positive?
paulie is bouncing back says ehhh... roger kuznia, sportingnews' 'Fantasy Source Expert'

[RK]:

The following bounce-back candidates have made their way onto at least one of my rosters. They are risks worth taking, especially when their price is not as high as in previous seasons.
...
Paul Konerko, 1B, White Sox. Jermaine Dye and Jim Thome each missed significant time last season, and the White Sox didn't have reliable table setters in '07, either. With better team health and a better offense around him, Konerko is primed for 30 homers and 100-plus RBIs. Home parks don't get much better than U.S. Cellular Field.

by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems like revocable waivers
[roch.kubatko@baltimore.sun]:
The White Sox put Juan Uribe on waivers, but he wasn't given his outright release. Those reports were inaccurate. The club is gauging his value, seeing how much interest is out there. And the Orioles were, indeed, interested over the winter.

by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This could be a cool event
Sadly the reasons are based on a bad situation - but for a good cause.

Northern Illinois and Notre Dame baseball square off at U.S. Cellular Field on April 16

[Link http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080319&content_id=24 44716&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darn Link

LINK
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sox are very community oriented
I was surprised they are the only non-profit fantasy camp week, giving the proceeds to the Cerebral Palsy kids (I believe).  I like that.

Every other team sees it as another source of revenue.  Greedy effers.

BTW, this is for Pete:

Remember my Mamet link last week?  Looks like the WSJ has picked it up, too:

"David Mamet's Revision
March 20, 2008; Page A18
The American playwright David Mamet wrote a piece for the Village Voice last week titled, "Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal.'" Mr. Mamet, whose characters famously use the f-word as a rhythmic device (I think of it now as the "Mamet-word"), didn't himself mince words on his transition. He was riding with his wife one day, listening to National Public Radio: "I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: 'Shut the [Mamet-word] up.'" Been known to happen.

Toward the end of the essay, he names names: "I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism."

This of course is an outrage against polite American wisdom. Isn't Paul Krugman supposed to be our greatest living philosopher? One would have thought that David Mamet saying bye-bye to liberalism would have launched sputterings everywhere. But not a word.

As I think Groucho Marx once said, either no one reads the Village Voice anymore or my watch has stopped.

That one of the language's greatest living playwrights would say this in our hyperventilated political times was news worth noting in most of the English-speaking world. Commentaries appeared the past week in England, Canada and Australia. But there's been nary a peep about Mr. Mamet going over the wall in what some call the Mainstream Media.

Matt Drudge put news of the Mamet essay at the top of his Web site the day it appeared, so it was hard not to notice. Yesterday the Los Angeles Times printed an op-ed piece on it by the crime novelist Andrew Klavan, welcoming Mr. Mamet. For the most part, though, this is being treated in liberal drawing rooms like a favorite uncle gone suddenly dotty. A reporter for the Times of London put the apostasy to actor Kevin Spacey, now appearing there in Mr. Mamet's "Speed the Plough." "I didn't pay it much attention," said Mr. Spacey.

Which raises the question: If a liberal falls in the liberal forest and no one says they heard it, can you say it didn't happen? Mr. Mamet must feel like the guy in a mob movie who knows the hit is coming but has to sweat through to the bullet.

There is a more benign explanation for the silence of American punditry's liberal lambs. They have their hands full with Barack and Hillary. No playwright since blood-soaked Greece would have tried to script the furies let loose by the struggle between these two senators.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose mad lines no one would think to write -- "God damn America!" -- has returned to haunt the holy candidacy of Barack Obama. In turn, Sen. Obama has been forced to give a speech reanimating racial ghosts back to the nation's founding -- a Constitution "stained by this nation's original sin of slavery." This is primal stuff. Meanwhile the Democratic elders, in their role as Super Delegates, must wrestle with knowing that this foul poison was set by factions loyal to Hillary Clinton, whose own personal loyalties are . . . well, you don't need me to get into all that.

With blood on the party's temple floor, who has time to give a flying [Mamet-word] about what this guy thinks? (Also, his essay appeared the day after the Spitzer melodrama began its short, but unforgettable, New York run.)

Still a thought: If David Mamet says he can't take it anymore, can others be far behind? Were I a Democratic Party strategist, out on the frontier of voter sentiment, my thought would be: This is not good for Democrats. David Mamet's mind is a tuning fork of regular-guy sentiment. He's the one who wrote "Glengarry Glen Ross." He says he's been a reliable liberal all his life. All of a sudden, the party sounds off-key. What if other guys are starting to think this? What if, after Barack's charisma gets stripped away, all you're left with is "universal health care" and Hillary's blind ambition? Come November, you could be [Mamet-worded].

Hollywood does a good job of policing the public political activities and statements of its workforce. Step out of its left line, the man comes and take you away. It helps the policers that Hollywood's writers have little script autonomy. They do as told and get used to it. Playwrights, by contrast, have total control over what their scripts say. This, one suspects, affects the two trades' habits of thinking.

In a remarkable coincidence with the Mamet essay, the playwright Tom Stoppard just published a piece in the Sunday Times of London ripping the 1968 student demonstrations there, in Paris, and elsewhere. Admitting he was thought by the left even then to be "politically dubious," Mr. Stoppard says he "was embarrassed by the slogans and postures of rebellion in a society which, in London as in Paris . . . seemed to me to be the least worst system into which one might have been born -- the open liberal democracy whose very essence was the toleration of dissent."

Mr. Mamet in his (often hilarious) goodbye-to-liberalism essay credits the famed American newspaper editor William Allen White with the idea that government should basically stay out of the way of people trying to work out ways to get along and get ahead. Tom Stoppard ends with the same, central point: "The idea of the autonomy of the individual is echoed, I realize, all over the place in my writing."

Many Democrats know that individual autonomy is the moving spirit of our times. The Web is its relentless, daily metaphor. This notion is embedded in the thought of the writers David Mamet has been reading of late. Left-liberalism breeds many autonomous spirits -- but only in their private lives. The party's ethos is as it was in 1930 -- dark forces arrayed to thwart the delivery of benevolence to fragile masses. For the latest standard version, see the end of Mr. Obama's Tuesday speech on "the real culprits of the middle-class squeeze."

Unless the Democrats figure out a way to back down big brother, the years ahead likely will bring more Mamet drop-outs. Belief in autonomy may even reach Hollywood."

John Galt lives!

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you sure
this wasn't lifted from the Onion?

HEADLINE:
"Loss of David Mamet's support seen as tipping point to the end of liberalism"

SUBHEAD:
"The most influential political mind in the US changes his - everyone else to follow"

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 20, 2008 3:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it's real...
This is the guy making Ford commercials now.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And don't forget:
The Village Voice is now managed by two libertarians from Phoenix, Arizona, and some New York media critics perceive a loss of the paper's original iconoclastic, bohemian spirit.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Mamet rant is supposed to sway me?
Dude, how can a person with a functioning head on their shoulders even think of voting for McCain for president?  Tell me you didn't retch when he went to the White House to kiss Bush's ring.

He's basically saying he's going to continue with the major points of Bush's policy - which is: stay in Iraq, and keep these big ass tax cuts in place for wealthy Americans.  Stay the course, thousand points of light....yeesh.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And why, exactly, should I care?
Perhaps it's a generational thing, but I'm not looking to famous playwrights and hollywood actors to point me in the "correct" direction with respect to political decisions. [Mamet word] that. ;)

I'll echo sentiments I recall Toonder expressing some time ago, make the decisions for yourself based on how the candidates / issues align with your thinking.

Also, A18 would seem to be in the OP-Ed section of the journal. A section which, like every OP-Ed section of every paper, is stuffed full of horse shit.

Show me a story on page A7 and then we're talking! ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 20, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something that might interest you, WU
I read in the SJ Mercury News today about a couple of techies trying to clean up congress by getting congressmen and women to sign a pledge against pork barrel projects and promote public financing for campaigns, among other things.

Here's the link:

[http://change-congress.org/]

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 20, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do like that
which is why Sr. John will get my vote (and why he pisses off his own party).  Thanks for the link.

Re: Mamet or anyone else in the public eye - hopefully no one on this site takes his/her values cue from any celeb/politician/relative and does his/her own thinking.  I just like to see the reaction when a "family" member flips loyalties.  It's just as intriguing when a conservative becomes a Democrat.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 6:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For crying out loud, will someone tell me what
liberal philosophy is?  This Old Left stuff that the WSJ is so fearful of has long been dead.  The oft-cited balanced budget not to mention the welfare reform should be proof of such, not to mention when put into the context of the Republican performance in Congress during their most recent reign.  I can't believe that the WSJ honestly thinks it needs to be on the lookout for Big Brother coming from the liberal side of things.  For whatever their (many) failings, the theorists and practitioners of New Left politics are oriented away from the notion of government as savior.

But either way, neither school of traditional liberal thought is remotely vociferous these days in any conceptual or forward thinking sense.  There is  no team of voices on the Left who have anything coherent to add in anything other than clearly politicized, point-scoring rhetoric.  Obama may differ in that regard, but he's no liberal theorist himself.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is
You need a leadoff senator... not a bunch of base cloggers
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dees kid...
He's real fast.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 20, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha
I think someone mentioned this last week, here's the quote

[carlos zambrano]:

''I told my family and my friends that before my career ends, I want to play for the White Sox. Right now, my priority is helping this club. That's what I am trying to do. But I used to be, when I was growing up, I was a White Sox fan. But every time I say that, the Chicago Cubs fans get jealous and pissed off.''

by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's with the late start today?
I was beginning to think that Wiz was slacking off, but it appears that the game isn't for another 2 hours.
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think
it's either because they're sharing a field with another team (dodgers are home team for this one and, as we all know, the dodgers are/were based in florida; i think they're playing in either phoenix municipal which is the home of oakland or maryvale which is hoem of the brewers) or maybe they're looking to drum up some interest in the teams that hope to be playing in nearby glendale next year by having a later start time for the locals.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep - Lasorda-old news:
http://cbs2.com/sports/dodgers/Los.Angeles.Dodgers.2.524388.html
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the truthosaurus is back
...at long island

[OSC]:

Long Island Ducks team officials today announced that former Major League outfielder Carl Everett will return to the team for his second season in 2008. Everett was a major component of the Ducks lineup in 2007, hitting .312 while belting 25 home runs and establishing a new Ducks single-season record with 97 RBI.

"We're excited to have Carl back with us this season," says Ducks general manager Michael Pfaff. "He's an important part of our club both on and off the field, and helps solidify both the heart of our lineup and our clubhouse."

by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good one, wiz
This dino is hetero, n'est pas?
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less than a 6-minute lapse
before the first "dinosaur" reference...nicely played.
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 20, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reminds me of a great old joke.
A lady is shopping at a small butcher shop. When her number is called, she tells the butcher "Give me a Long Island Duck"

So the butcher goes into the cooler and comes out w/ a duck, he plops it on the scale and the lady says "Let me see that duck"

So the butcher hands it to her over the counter.
The lady takes her index and middle fingers and sticks them up the duck's butt, then pulls her fingers out, puts her fingers to her nose and smells them. She gets a look of disgust on her face, looks at the butcher and says "This is a Boston Teal. I want a Long Island Duck. Take this back and get me a Long Island Duck."

So the butcher returns the duck to the cooler and comes back w/ another duck. The butcher puts it on the scale, then the lady says "Let me see that duck".

The lady once again sticks her fingers up the duck's butt and then smells her fingers. "This is a Canadian Mallard. Take it back. What's wrong with you, I said I want a Long Island Duck... go get me a Long Island Duck before I call the manager".

So the butcher takes it back to the cooler and comes out with another. This time he hands the duck to the lady instead of putting it on the scale.

Again the lady sticks her fingers up the duck's butt and then smells her fingers. "Ahhh, now this is a Long Island Duck".

Then the lady looks at the butcher and says "You're not from around here are you?"

The butcher says "No, I'm not"

The lady asks the butcher "Where are you from?"

The butcher turns around, drops his pants, bends over, looks at the lady and says "Why don't you tell me lady"

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 20, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A couple to try on your buddies...
They work best in front of other buddies/ladies so as to piss off your first buddy:

JOKE 1

YOU: Hey, remember blowing bubbles as a kid?

YOUR BUDDY: Yes.

YOU: I saw him the other day. He asked me to say "hi."

JOKE 2

YOU: If we went camping and you woke up with vaseline smeared on your butt, would you tell anyone?

YOUR BUDDY: NO!

YOU: Wanna go camping?

Oh, the hilarity.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 20, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think our generation has
a different sense of humor, 'gater.  I LOL'ed at #1 though you could see it coming a mile away.  As in "Do you remember your first time?  What was his name?"  And a line I got off a few years ago at a poker game:  "The first erect (insert "p" word) Ed saw was not his own."

But I thought this was interesting.  How can I get my Jewish wife to join this church:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article415080.ece

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah yes, the camping joke
Always good for a yuk at the poker table.

Another good one for poker is:

Two gay boys come back to their apartment.  The one says, " Let's try something different - let's play hide and seek!"  Other one say, "Ooooooo, ok - great.  How do we play?"  First one says, "If you find me, you get to fuck me in the ass.  If you can't find me, I'll be hiding behind the sofa."

...and great hilarity ensues.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A big LOL
I'm going to see my buddies tonight. That will bring some major laughs after a few cold ones. The "gay" material always plays well. Nicely done.
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 20, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fields / Ramirez / Cabrera / Konerko
It could be a fun infield this season.
MrROFL.com - now with real content!

by shaftr on Mar 20, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, there's a better chance of that happening...
Richar out 4-6 weeks with a stress fracture of the rib.....see Cowley's suntimes blog. Talking to teams about Uribe.....supposedly pulled off waivers after interest was shown.

by dantesox on Mar 20, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orioles? Who do you think?
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 20, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe
considering uribe can play 3B, along with 2B and SS, i've often wondered whether the giants wouldn't be more interested in juan than joe.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kenny probably asking for too much again
Anyone who is willing to pay Tubby shouldnt be asked to give anything more than a single A reliever.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or realized
that his potential 2B of the future may well be out until june.

by larry on Mar 20, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ozuna or Ramirez
can easily provide similar offense till Richar is ready, their gloves wont compare but its not like we will be competing again anyway.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 20, 2008 5:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since he was pulled back
it couldn't have been irrevocable waivers yes?

by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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