What does waiving Uribe accomplish?
It appears that the White Sox have placed Juan Uribe on some form of waivers (Updated language to satisfy Larry), though we shouldn't expect any confirmation of such until he has been claimed or passed through them completely, as they are supposed to be confidential. By rule, the White Sox are not allowed to comment on the situation. So, we can't be sure what Uribe's status is, leaving us to do what we do best; speculate.
First, lets answer what being placed on waivers means for the Uribe situation. Mark Gonzalez and Joe Cowley both cite a 72-hour period during which teams can place a claim on Uribe, allowing them to pick up Uribe and his entire salary. Other resources list a 48 hour window, but note that Saturday and Sunday don't count. So, combining those two, Uribe could be in limbo until Monday.
In the probable event that no team places a claim on Uribe, he becomes a free agent and the White Sox are still on the hook for his $4.5MM salary. The only way the Sox avoid having to pay him is if an angel of a team -- I'm looking your direction Baltimore -- comes along and places a claim, picking up the full $4.5MM in the process.
How did we get here?
When the Sox signed Uribe to his current 1-year deal in lieu of picking up his $5MM option, I called it "the best of a myraid of poor solutions" available on the free-agent market. I had no idea at the time that David Eckstein would only require a 1-year deal, or that Adam Everett could be had for $2.5MM. I went on to call the deal "far from an optimal situation, [which] gives the Sox freedom to continue to look for trades and doesn't lock them into a poor long-term situation."Ten days later, the Sox completed the Garland for Cabrera trade, effectively making Uribe an overpriced backup. And a month after that they signed the lightly-pursued Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, whose hot spring might have given Uribe the final push out the door.
Ramirez was in the lineup in center field for the second time this spring, and had an impressive day at the plate. He walked twice, upping his spring total to 3, and hit a leafoff homerun off Ubaldo Jimenez after an extended at bat. It was a little bit rougher outing for Ramirez in the field, as he missed the cutoff man twice and nearly missed on another occasion. He was 50/50 on difficult to field balls in the gap, once taking a nice route to make a routine play look exactly that, but later faltering on a long run to a ball at the wall ultimately having the ball glance off his backhand attempt.
Just yesterday, Joe Cowley wrote of two contentious morning meetings. One can only assume there was a third this morning before Uribe was placed on waivers. It's just another case, like the Hunter-to-Rowand-to-Swisher situation before it, in which it looks like the White Sox front office has no concrete plan on how to build a team.
We applaud Kenny Williams for his ability to admit he made a mistake in signing Uribe by placing him on waivers before the season even begins. But we'd be a lot happier if he would just make the right decision in his first attempt next time.
Who's on second?
So now that Uribe, the previous leader in the competition for second base, is on the outs, who plays second? These are the options as I see them.- Alexei Ramirez -- The aforementioned Cuban has impressed with his bat this spring, but second is supposedly his "rawest" of positions.
- Danny Richar -- He arrived late to camp with visa issues, and when he did show up complained of a injured back. He was a late scratch from Wednesday's game, and had a MRI to inspect the back injury.
- Pablo Ozuna -- The Secret Weapon has exceeded my dubiously low expectations for him this spring. I expected him to be complete waste of space following his return from a broken leg last season, but he's appeared healthy from the very start of spring. I did note that he was unable to beat out a ball in the hole in Monday's game, which could signal that the loss of speed I had feared has arrived.
- Trade -- There have been some unsubstantiated rumors of Brian Roberts (purely because the Cubs want him) and Mark Ellis (because Oakland is selling off anyone over age 26), but I can't see the Sox making a major trade between now and Opening Day that doesn't include Joe Crede.
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The other rumor
by phastphil on Mar 19, 2008 8:25 PM CDT 0 recs
i dont see how thats even possible
by The Deacon on
Mar 19, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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Yeah...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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like i said
by The Deacon on
Mar 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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Heh
by CWSKeith on
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injury update
Second baseman Danny Richar virtually fell out of the running for the second base job because of recurring back pain that caused him to undergo an MRI.
On the upside, Alexei Ramirez strengthened his case to make the team by going 2-for-3 with his first home run and raising his batting average to .366.
"He can play every day, I think," Guillen said. "At second, we have to work on [him defensively] to get him better."
by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 8:51 PM CDT 0 recs
that's a tv station
by larry on
Mar 19, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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satisfy me, huh
by larry on
Mar 19, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Right...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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from merkin
by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 9:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Ramirez
by oldComiskey91 on Mar 19, 2008 9:22 PM CDT 0 recs
If this goes through, this could be against KW's
by Raf on
Mar 19, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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I love how ya...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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props to raf
that was awesome!
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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Cheat...
I too am surprised he's performing this well. He's still nothing more than an overpaid utility guy, and I think that Bourgeois is a better option than he is. He's faster, IMO. And he has had some success this spring.
You seem to leave Bourgeois out of the mix. Something happen to him in the past few days that I missed? OZzie seems to love him.
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 19, 2008 9:35 PM CDT 0 recs
It's not like he had much to go on
From July 1, 2006 until he broke his leg he compiled a .240/.277/.324 batting line.
by The Cheat on
Mar 19, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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Exactly...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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but what of...
by Shoeless In SC on
Mar 19, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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But why waive Uribe now?
The other possibility is that the Sox are so impressed with Ramirez (and to a lesser extent Jason BourIcantspellit) that they really want them to get major league at-bats. That would be a good way to decide if Ramirez can replace Cabrera next season. But it would be surpassingly surprising to me. Ramirez is a big gamble and Richar just had an MRI on his back. Dropping Uribe now seems like a risky move for a risk-averse team.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Is it official?
by Timmy13 on Mar 19, 2008 9:53 PM CDT 0 recs
can't comment due to the ongoing investigation
by The Wizard on
Mar 19, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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We don't know
by The Cheat on
Mar 19, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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The only way
I mean even if you think that Ramirez is gonna be your 2B why get of Uribe before you're sure that he is ready defensively? I mean wouldn't you have put Ramirez at 2B instead of CF the last 2 days if you were deciding whether he could handle it well enough to release Uribe?
by bhoov on Mar 19, 2008 10:36 PM CDT 0 recs
If it's revocable
by ChicagoPete on
Mar 20, 2008 7:30 AM CDT
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i don't think it's much ado about nothing
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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joe crede come on down
Garciaparra had an MRI on Wednesday in Los Angeles that revealed a microfracture. The Dodgers do not consider the injury to be as serious as a complete fracture of a bone, and expect to know more once the 34-year-old is examined Thursday by the team's medical staff in Arizona.
Maybe they can fix it with a nano-cast.
Joe Torre seems to like Blake DeWitt. Of course, Inge and Crede are available. The fact that both are out there may keep the Dodgers from giving up too much to acquire one of them.
by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2008 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Any chance
by ballyb on Mar 19, 2008 10:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Everything has something to do with Barry Bonds.
by mjthor on
Mar 20, 2008 1:09 AM CDT
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Box score question:
Wouldn't TB be more accurate if it included walks, HBP, and stolen bases?
Thx in advance (I'll hand up and listen to your answer).
by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 7:29 AM CDT 0 recs
At 56,
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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I guess at 56, Gramps, it's not
But I'm serious about the question... When, and why?
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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It's
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Kids must be working today
In baseball statistics, total bases refers to the number of bases a player has gained with hits, i.e. the sum of his/her hits weighted by 1 for a single, 2 for a double, 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.
Only bases attained from hits count toward this total. Total bases can be calculated from commonly used baseball statistics by using the formula TB = 1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR. Singles (1B) can be represented as 1B = H − 2B − 3B − HR which, when combined with the given TB formula, allows for the reduced formula found at the top of the page
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Yes, working but not tomorrow
Why do we have to be told twice?
by Chiburb on
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Many immigrant fans
C'mom - stats, stats, and more stats!
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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I would assume
Of course, these days, the doubles, triples, HR are listed. You old timers would be more likely than I to know if they spelled those out in the papers back in the old days.
by rhythm on
Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Makes it easier to calculate slugging percentage
by Sox Machine on
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They DO LIST
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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How long has it been there? I mean the S-T
Maybe I was passed out?
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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This looks like the first ST
by winningugly on
Mar 20, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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July, 1951.
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Doesn't Manny Ramirez
I think the Sox are trying to gauge interest in Juan.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
The difference is the timing
by southsideirish71 on
Mar 20, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Speaking of TB...
by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Cowely
Did a california guy steal his girlfriend or something.
by southsideirish71 on
Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Probably just jealous because
Btw, is it commonly known that Cowley had his BBWA vote suspended for a year for 'embarrassing' the organization?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Uribe probably picks (ed) up his tabs
by ballyb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Wow! This is a fascinating turn of events.
by White Sox Randy on Mar 20, 2008 10:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Baseball Analysts say Detroit bullpen
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/03/what_are_the_op.php
by Chiburb on Mar 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT 0 recs
or it may be lights out
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Just looking for reasons to be optimistic...
With 2-6 inches of snow predicted for the 2nd day of same.
by Chiburb on
Mar 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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then focus on
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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Oh Larry
by Tdogg on
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The horse lives!
by winningugly on
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Dont love him THAT much
by Tdogg on
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exactly WU
by larry on
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lol
by Tdogg on
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lol at you
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Larry I didnt see the spreadsheet
In this case the new info disagreed with you. Maybe that is why you take such an attitude on it because its not like I have been drilling you for weeks on it. For some dumb reason I thought you might have looked at Will's rating and made an intelligent response back to it. My bad.
by Tdogg on
Mar 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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Clock's ticking, Larry.
by ballyb on
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i'm fairly certain
by larry on
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Could they be in the market for Street?
by BobbySouthSide on
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How much of their farm
by omnipotent grab on
Mar 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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like all of it
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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if we release uribe...
Im not a big fan of Uribe but I hope we get someone in return or make a move soon
by The Scoper on Mar 20, 2008 11:36 AM CDT 0 recs
we're thin at just about every position
by larry on
Mar 20, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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Look Larry
by Brush Back on
Mar 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Thin to win
Like America.
by winningugly on
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it's been a long time coming
by colintj on
Mar 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Given that
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