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Spring Training Games #11 and #12: White Sox vs. D-backs & White Sox @ Angels

Game 1 (Tucson): Nick Masset vs. Edgar Gonzalez

Time: 2:05 p.m. CT, Radio: WSCR AM-670, MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)

Sox (SS): Ozuna, 2B; Cabrera, SS; Thome, DH; Fields, 3B; Liefer, 1B; Anderson, LF; Negron, RF; Lucy, C; Bourgeois, CF

D'backs (SS): Bonifacio, LF; Burke, 2B; Romero, A, CF; Nixon, DH; D'Antona, 1B; Salazar, RF; Hammock, C; Merchan, SS; Ojeda, 3B

*****

Game 2 (Tempe): Lance Broadway vs. Jon Garland

Time: 2:05 p.m. CT, Radio: MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)

Sox (SS): Swisher, CF; Ramirez, SS; Konerko, DH; Dye, RF; Pierzynski, C; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Eldred, 1B; Wise, LF

Angels: Willits, CF; Matthews, DH; Izturis, SS; Kendrick, 2B; Rivera, LF; Morales, 1B; Wood, 3B; Mathis, C; Evans, RF

*****

Coop's take of Aaron Poreda from yesterday's 'B' game vs. the Rockies:

"Poreda threw very well," said White Sox pitching Don Cooper of the big left-hander, who possesses a fastball that has been known to max out in the high 90s. "He has arm strength and threw good sliders and changeups. "He's going to have enough physical stuff to pitch in the Majors, that's for sure. And I'll tell you what, the slider spins right and the changeup does what it's supposed to do. It's just a matter of continuing to develop and being consistent."
During yesterday's game broadcast on CSN, Cooper remarked that Poreda was "throwin' 93" in the 'B' game.
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Swish's Gameday photo
Looks like a young Ernest Borgnine.
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 7, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

So...
who's hoping Garland gets absolutely rocked?

Me! That's who.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 7, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

From BP chat today
westy21 (Chicago): If Jerry Owens plays 162 games and hits lead off for the White Sox how many wins would it cost them? Opposed to Swisher batting lead off and Quentin taking Owens' ABs.

Nate Silver: I don't think the White Sox are going to screw around with Jerry Owens too much. They're tired of being cutesy and there are some jobs on the line there. They also like Alexei Ramirez a good deal, who is having a great spring, although whether they consider him an outfielder or an infielder isn't quite clear.

......

I wish he would have answered the question though.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

For you Ray folks
collins (greenville nc): So how did the Rays go from projected 83 wins to 89 wins now? Is this a change in the projection system, or a change in the Rays (or in their opponents)?

Nate Silver: That's a great question, and in this case it has a pretty simple answer. On the first version of PECOTA that we do each year, we make a very simple assumption about a team's defense -- namely, that the defense will be the same as it was last year, regressed to the mean last year. The Rays had a very, very bad defense in 2007, involving experiments like Brendan Harris playing shortstop, B.J. Upton playing second base, and Delmon Young playing center field. So, that was flowing through into the ERAs of each of the pitchers.

But in the second version of the PECOTAs, we instead project defense based on the individual defensive projections from our depth chart starting lineups. And we actually expect the Rays to have a slightly above average defense this year, particuarly given the addition of Jason Bartlett. So this turned out to make a huge difference at the margins. And there's a hidden benefit too, which is that it actually increases the innings pitched projections for the starting pitchers, which means fewer innings from the back end of their bullpen.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

don't you mean "folk"
and, yeah, that's a primary reason for why it's a slam dunk that you'll be sending me some wine in mid september.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

No, "folks"
I have said this is the Rays' first good year.
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

time to get stoned!
joy to my ears, no hawk/dj crap!

by The Wizard on Mar 7, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

Wiz' "time to get stoned":
  1.  Sunrise.
  2.  Turns on computer.
  3.  Sunset.
  4.  Turns off computer.
;)
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Appears game 2 open on MLB Radio
if you're not a subscriber
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Can someone explain
why only 3 games are on MLB TV today?

The 3:

Boston Red Sox

New York Yankees

New York Mets

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

They only do a couple a day
Sometimes just 1.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey guys
did I miss something? We just had a thread about Swisher's defense and no JRE comments. Has he been banned or something? I Haven't been posting a lot, but it just doesn't seem right to have a Swisher defense discussion without JRE going into all out pessimistic rant.

by bhoov on Mar 7, 2008 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

he's probably out of town
or he's sulking after we called him a nattering nabob of negatism.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

often are conversations get
squeezed by the right side. you did miss it when i called him a part of the effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals and promote a spirit of masochism amongst the white sox nation.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I
like that one lar. Elegant turn of a phrase. And he hasn't been heard from since?

by bhoov on Mar 7, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

hasn't posted since mid-feb
the reason i'd say he may be out of town is because he hasn't logged onto (or posted at) baseball think factory either since then. or he could be dead. that would suck.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

couldn't they start the 2nd game 1-2 hours after
the 1st? I have to listen to 2 radio feeds now dammit...

by The Wizard on Mar 7, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions  

Compartmentalization, Wiz.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Radio ads
Each spring gives Sox radio listeners a peek at the Miller ads which will be part of our lives for the next six months.  Judging by the Miller Chill poetry slam ad they just ran, it's going to be a brutal summer.

by GhostOfRooney on Mar 7, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

Broadway
Alternating between being too wild (4 pitch walk, HBP) and catching too much of the plate (hard hit balls)
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

Sure these games aren't
a replay of last year's ST?
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

Help with Fantasy
I got a quick question for you experts out there...especially those of you with knowledge of Pecota, ZIPs, etc.  

I am in a keeper league with 14 teams, both league's players are used.

I can keep only 2 of the guys below rest of the players are thrown in the pool to draft...who do I keep (only listing my top guys)?

H. Ramirez
Oswalt
M. Ordonez
Carmona
Hunter
Street
Salty

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

well
hanley and either saltalamacchia or carmona.

by Jbasic89 on Mar 7, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

depends a bit on what gets points
but hanley is a no-brainer keep. i'd keep oswalt after that, though if your league is big on wins for pitchers he may not be great. everything else will be good for him, though.

my critique of the rest:

ordonez is due for a major decline from last year. BABIP drop will be huge and other things point to a decline.

carmona: if your league is big on wins, he may be a better choice; i think he'll not be as good as last year and may see a short DL stint. but he'll still be quite good when he's in.

hunter: getting old.

street: closers are volatile, even good ones like street. and he's playing for the As, which will hurt his saves.

salty: there's a danger the rangers could start him in AAA, considering they're not contending this year. not as good as the others.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

i should disclose
that a lot of the projection and draft stuff i've read does not agree with my assessment of hunter. shandler, for example, would tell you that torii will be about as valuable as oswalt. i don't buy that but it's there.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is the Scoring for the league
Head-to-Head, Points Based System.
Scoring based on total stats each period.
Ties in the standings are resolved in this order: Head to Head Record, Total Points.

Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 point
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point
E - Errors -2 points
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point
HR - Home Runs 4 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 2.5 points
SF - Sacrifice Flies 1 point
SH - Sacrifice Hits 1 point

Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points
BS - Blown Saves -2 points
CG - Complete Games 5 points
ER - Earned Runs -1 point
HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points
INN - Innings 2 points
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
L - Losses -5 points
S - Saves 9 points
SO - Shutouts 5 points
W - Wins 10 points

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll stick with what i said
oswalt and hunter and maggs are all projected to be worth about the same. however, i think there's more risk with the latter two. plus, if this is a league where you'll also get to keep players for the following seasons, i'd rather have the guy who is 30 now and will still be in his peak as a potential keeper for 09. that's what would break the tie for me.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Surely your not serious Larry
A pitcher is almost never a safer bet in Fantasy period. And because he is giving up a 1 and 2nd he probably needs to keep only Hanley. Oswalt is not even a Top 10 fantasy pitcher this year.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

almost never
we've already discussed my view of maggs' injuries. i don't like hunter either, for a vareity of reasons. oswalt is about as sure a bet as you'll find in pitchers. at any rate, now that i know about the picks, the obvious answer is none of them.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

since i know you like numbers
reliability scores (range 0-100) from shandler:

ordonez: 34
hunter: 79
oswalt: 97

yes, i know the systems aren't quite the same for hitters and pitchers. but you're not going to find a much more reliable player - let alone pitcher - to bank on than oswalt.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Its still a pitcher who has thrown 210 inning
4 years in a row. Regardless his value is not near Ordonez's period. Esp in a points league. His k's have fallen 4 years str8. Its not close Larry.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

And Hanley is definitely worth a 2nd
And probably a 1st depending on where he drafts.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Hanley
Is worth a first round pick. Hands down.  It's not even debatable.

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

if you say so
you realize that a pitcher who has thrown 210 innings four years in a row is demonstrably less likely to get injured, right? especially considering oswalt's overall IP pattern?

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure I do
But so what. Even if he throws the whole season his value doesnt equate to Ordonez or other top hitters missing 15 games (random number).
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

like i said
if you say so. i did some off the cuff numbers crunching using the system posted and those three players all in the same tight range of value. if everything was as black and white as you seem to think it is, fantasy baseball wouldn't be particurlarly interesting, would it?

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

haha
I wonder what the reliability is on the reliablity scores....

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

rather high historically
especially for position players, as one might imagine.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

They might be...but
you used it to back up an argument about injuries, which reliability scores don't have anything to do with.

It's all just statisitically jargon anyways...It really just measures how much a players stats you can trust, which makes sense why Maggs score is so low.  He had a CAREER year.  Even if he comes back down to earth, he's still has a higher draft value in the fantasy world than Oswalt.

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

um
if a reliability score isn't about injuries, what is it about?

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what "reliability scores"
that you are using, but there seems to be two schools of thought.  Everything that I've seen posted by Tangotiger and Marcel refers to the reliability of statistics, and has nothing to do with injuries.

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

who is shandler?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 7, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Ron Shandler
The most famous of the fantasy players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Shandler

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Oswalt
He's not exactly a "young" 30 year old.  He's pretty consistent overall, but he has logged a lot of innings on that right arm.  Also, he's trending the wrong way.  

Over the last three years...Down in W, SO.  Up in WHIP, ERA.  He's not worthy of second round pick.  

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

sigh
people really need to get over the kneejerk "he's pitched a lot of innings" thing. i'm sure it's quite the siren considering how oft-repeated it is but there's a heck of a lot more to pitcher injuries than that. as i stated above, oswalt is your prototypical horse. his first half command troubles brought his overall statistics down last season but considering the bounceback in the second half to his usual levels, i'm not concerned. if it were the other way around, it would draw some concern.

as for these "trends," his ERA has been between 2.94 and 3.18. the phrase "statistical noise" comes to mind for describing such a miniscule variation.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Love it!
That is vintage Larry!

That is why I asked you guys....you know a lot more than me on this subject.

Thanks for all of your help and go have a cold one- it's Friday.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

bobby
love your sig
Toonderstrook's myspace page http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=67492521

by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you are too much in the real world
On this one my amigo. I take him all day on the White Sox, no issue there but you compared him to Ordonez and Hunter value wise in fantasy. That my friend is not true.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

run the numbers, then
i did. they're all about the same in my calculation. i stated my bias against maggs and, to a lesser degree, hunter. but this isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is. if one just wants to go rote, you could put the three in a hat and pick one because it will be about the same. he asked for opinion and we're all giving it to him. but please don't pretend this is not a debatable issue.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I am truly puzzled by your view on this Larry.
I really dont know what numbers you are using, esp with his scoring system. And no I really don't think its debatable. I dont think one competent fantasy player would ever consider Oswalt before Ordonez. I have to grab my kids and feed them. Ill "run some numbers" and post tonight.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I second TDogg
...do you have a number crunching machine Larry?

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, my brain
see below for an inside look into it.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

i added them up using PECOTA
and, for what PECOTA doesn't have, i used numbers from the past. i got 425 for oswalt and 424.5 for ordonez. see below. numbers, ain't they a bitch?

Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 point [105]
2B - Doubles 2 points [35]
3B - Triples 3 points [1]
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point [59]
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point [2]
E - Errors -2 points [2]
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point [4]
HR - Home Runs 4 points [19]
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point [75]
R - Runs 1 point [83]
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point [88]
SB - Stolen Bases 2.5 points [5]
SF - Sacrifice Flies 1 point [5]
SH - Sacrifice Hits 1 point [0]

Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points [50]
BS - Blown Saves -2 points [0]
CG - Complete Games 5 points [2]
ER - Earned Runs -1 point [80]
HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points [205]
INN - Innings 2 points [199.7]
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point [138]
L - Losses -5 points [10]
S - Saves 9 points [0]
SO - Shutouts 5 points [1]
W - Wins 10 points [13]

and if i wanted to color this even more for oswalt, i'd use shandler's numbers (which is what i'd lean towards if i were doing this for me) or some weighted combination. but i think everyone knows PECOTA and accepts it as a generally reliable measure and there's no need to make this more complicated.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

All I can say is Id welcome you
Into 1 of my leagues. Look I like PECOTA in general, but fantasy is not its forte. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to look at those numbers for Maggs and see they probably are not going to happen.

But hell even in your own numbers a hitter and pitcher with the same points easily favors a hitter.

Larry there is a reason on avg Maggs is picked 25-32 or so, while Oswalt comes in 65-75.

Or in Roto auction value Maggs comes in at about $28 while Oswalt garners $17.

I dont know what bitchin life you are referring to or do you play in the receptionist league at work or something?

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Im not good at linking
But FantasyGameday.net does a decent composite of ADP vs several site projections (PECOTA, James, Marcel, Chone, ZiPS, etc)

Maggs Rk 31 - ADP 32.45 - 3 round 3 pick (14 teams)

Oswalt Rk 74 - ADP 75.64 - 6 round 4th pick (14 teams)

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

you're really funny tdogg
shandler value for ordonez in roto auction: $23
shandler value for oswalt in roto auction: $23

i used a projection system to back up what i said. shandler, as you can guess from the above, has basically the same result. how many more do you want?

i know you disagree with this. so what. that's rather the point of fantasy baseball. i still can't figure out why you can't admit that maybe - just maybe - there's a debate.

and quit it with these silly attacks. receptionist? rocket scientist? at this point, your smugness is hilarious, not cutting.

by larry on Mar 8, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont subscribe to Shandler's site
So I won't spend time arguing with you. I kind of doubt it since that would put him way out there vs other respected systems. Rotowire for example has Oswalt at $16 in a mixed league.

You will not find one respected auction draft where Oswalt goes for as much as Maggs in a mixed league, especially in expert ones.

I know you are very intelligent Larry and versed in many things, but you don't know everything. I get everyone doesn't play fantasy and could care less, but you didnt even seem to understand the value of Hanley vs a first rounder.

If you found the receptionist thing hilarious thats good. It was meant to be, but you calling anyone smug is downright a knee slapper.

I'll be sure to post the results of the Tout Wars auction later this month.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

The argument is quite simple....
The drop in Wins and SO have moved Oswalt out of the Top tier of fantasy pitchers.

Reliable or not, he's still not worth a second round pick.

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

We should probably start a fantasy diary
Most folks drafts are approaching and we can bounce ideas off each other. Anyone have interest?
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in...
this expertise is very helpful!
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Oswalt lost a lot of defense behind him
old man Tejada will be back there now when hes not in court.

Id keep Magglio and Hanley.

I'd be tempted to keep Hunter over Maggs, since SB are worth 1.5 and the Angels run like crazy, but I think Maggs is the pick.

by Gus on Mar 7, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

What round per pick do you forfeit?
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Hanley for sure.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd one Ordonez
yeah his ba drops but so what? He will definitely produce fantasy wise at a high level. Assuming of course you are not giving up any picks.
"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

First Round
So if I keep both players I lose a first and second round pick.

If I forfeit to keep anyone and just draft, I keep the early picks.

BUT, other teams will be keeping players and if everyone keeps a player or two than the draft pool starts off with the top 14-28 players already off the board.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

keep hanley
then make your second-round pick.  at worst it's 28th, and only maggs would go that high of your potential keepers.  you'll probably end up with a better player by drafting.

by Ryno on Mar 7, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You think Oswalt
isn't a top 30 pick?

I could see Maggs being right around there...but I would think Oswalt might go a little higher.

I agree Ramirez is a no brainer...it is whether I take Oswalt, Maggs or use the draft pick...

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

i would consider
dropping oswalt, then. oswalt, hunter and ordonez are probably only top 45-60 or so players. you should be able to get a bit better player where you're picking.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

So the Consensus is...
...keep Hanley and no one else...keep the 2nd round pick?
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

you I keep, you I toss
In Order:
Ramriz
Salty
Oswalt

The biggest risks for the top two are position changes.  The Rangers say they're going to leave salty behind the plate, but his bat is too good and they lack a first baseman.  And Ramirez is a butcher at ss.  I'd expect him to be in the outfield soon.

Ordonez is a huge risk because he had career highs in everything last year and, as shown in the THT article above, he's due for a batting average collapse.  

I wouldn't touch Hunter either, he has lots of his value tied up in Defense, which I've yet to see used in a fantasy league well yet.

And Carmona & Street?  Feh.  Mid to late rounders.  Too much risk.

by coffeepac on Mar 7, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I am surprised
that you even asked about Hanley.  He is top 5 in roto fantasy 5 x 5.

After that, I'd would go Maggs.  Even with the expected drop in BA, he is still going to have a ton of opportunities to drive in runs in that lineup.  Plus, there is always pitching to be had in later rounds and the OF crop seems a little thin this year.

by BoKnows on Mar 7, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Who the hell is
Dewayne Wise? And why is he playing for the Sox?
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 7, 2008 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

should we just not
field a full team in SS action then?

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps
If they will allow the sandlot "pitcher's hand" rule.
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 7, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Distaster in Game 2
Sounds like very nice score keeping has kept the error count low. Sounds like I'm listening to game from last season.
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

No hitting, no pitching, no defense
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Just looked at box of game 1
No better there - how's Stone sound...?
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Bears sign WR Brandon Lloyd to a 1-year deal...
Devin Hester
Marty Booker
Brandon Lloyd
Mark Bradley
Rashied Davis
Mike Hass

Ugly.

by SSH2005 on Mar 7, 2008 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah :-( not.
I would have rather they signed Bryant Johnson.
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by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Both Hackett and Johnson are available...
but obviously Angelo has no interested in high-priced WR's right now.  Barring the NFL draft, that is our WR core.

by SSH2005 on Mar 7, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty safe to say
we'll draft a WR in the first 3 rounds.

Remember we have 1 first, 1 second and 2 thirds (from Thomas Jones trade).

Probably draft an OT, RB, WR and possibly another lineman, offensive or defensive.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

1 run on 7 hits in 2 games
Sox are in Mid-April form.
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by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

That sounds better than
the fact that the 1 run came on the 1 hit (Dye HR) in game 2 - yes 1 hit in game 2.

Who is that Garland guy, sounds like a pretty good pitcher

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he sashay to the mound?
If he was that effective they measured his walk time via calendar.
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there any other way
a cool low key southern Calif. would move?
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

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