Spring Training Games #11 and #12: White Sox vs. D-backs & White Sox @ Angels
Game 1 (Tucson): Nick Masset vs. Edgar Gonzalez
Time: 2:05 p.m. CT, Radio: WSCR AM-670, MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)
Sox (SS): Ozuna, 2B; Cabrera, SS; Thome, DH; Fields, 3B; Liefer, 1B; Anderson, LF; Negron, RF; Lucy, C; Bourgeois, CF
D'backs (SS): Bonifacio, LF; Burke, 2B; Romero, A, CF; Nixon, DH; D'Antona, 1B; Salazar, RF; Hammock, C; Merchan, SS; Ojeda, 3B
Game 2 (Tempe): Lance Broadway vs. Jon Garland
Time: 2:05 p.m. CT, Radio: MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)
Sox (SS): Swisher, CF; Ramirez, SS; Konerko, DH; Dye, RF; Pierzynski, C; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Eldred, 1B; Wise, LF
Angels: Willits, CF; Matthews, DH; Izturis, SS; Kendrick, 2B; Rivera, LF; Morales, 1B; Wood, 3B; Mathis, C; Evans, RF
Coop's take of Aaron Poreda from yesterday's 'B' game vs. the Rockies:
- Carl's latest 'Palehose 8' comic strips: Regarding Don Anderson, The Great Warrior of Tucson, and Regarding the Truth about Swagger and Passion.
- THT: Craig Brown looks at the Bill James' argument that when a player experiences a sudden spike in walk rate one year, it would often be followed by a substantial drop in batting average the following year.
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Me! That's who.
From BP chat today
Nate Silver: I don't think the White Sox are going to screw around with Jerry Owens too much. They're tired of being cutesy and there are some jobs on the line there. They also like Alexei Ramirez a good deal, who is having a great spring, although whether they consider him an outfielder or an infielder isn't quite clear.
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I wish he would have answered the question though.
For you Ray folks
Nate Silver: That's a great question, and in this case it has a pretty simple answer. On the first version of PECOTA that we do each year, we make a very simple assumption about a team's defense -- namely, that the defense will be the same as it was last year, regressed to the mean last year. The Rays had a very, very bad defense in 2007, involving experiments like Brendan Harris playing shortstop, B.J. Upton playing second base, and Delmon Young playing center field. So, that was flowing through into the ERAs of each of the pitchers.
But in the second version of the PECOTAs, we instead project defense based on the individual defensive projections from our depth chart starting lineups. And we actually expect the Rays to have a slightly above average defense this year, particuarly given the addition of Jason Bartlett. So this turned out to make a huge difference at the margins. And there's a hidden benefit too, which is that it actually increases the innings pitched projections for the starting pitchers, which means fewer innings from the back end of their bullpen.
don't you mean "folk"
No, "folks"
Wiz' "time to get stoned":
- Sunrise.
- Turns on computer.
- Sunset.
- Turns off computer.
Appears game 2 open on MLB Radio
Can someone explain
The 3:
Boston Red Sox
New York Yankees
New York Mets
They only do a couple a day
Hey guys
often are conversations get
hasn't posted since mid-feb
couldn't they start the 2nd game 1-2 hours after
Compartmentalization, Wiz.
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Broadway
Sure these games aren't
Help with Fantasy
I am in a keeper league with 14 teams, both league's players are used.
I can keep only 2 of the guys below rest of the players are thrown in the pool to draft...who do I keep (only listing my top guys)?
H. Ramirez
Oswalt
M. Ordonez
Carmona
Hunter
Street
Salty
depends a bit on what gets points
my critique of the rest:
ordonez is due for a major decline from last year. BABIP drop will be huge and other things point to a decline.
carmona: if your league is big on wins, he may be a better choice; i think he'll not be as good as last year and may see a short DL stint. but he'll still be quite good when he's in.
hunter: getting old.
street: closers are volatile, even good ones like street. and he's playing for the As, which will hurt his saves.
salty: there's a danger the rangers could start him in AAA, considering they're not contending this year. not as good as the others.
i should disclose
Here is the Scoring for the league
Scoring based on total stats each period.
Ties in the standings are resolved in this order: Head to Head Record, Total Points.
Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 point
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point
E - Errors -2 points
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point
HR - Home Runs 4 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 2.5 points
SF - Sacrifice Flies 1 point
SH - Sacrifice Hits 1 point
Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points
BS - Blown Saves -2 points
CG - Complete Games 5 points
ER - Earned Runs -1 point
HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points
INN - Innings 2 points
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
L - Losses -5 points
S - Saves 9 points
SO - Shutouts 5 points
W - Wins 10 points
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
i'll stick with what i said
Surely your not serious Larry
almost never
since i know you like numbers
ordonez: 34
hunter: 79
oswalt: 97
yes, i know the systems aren't quite the same for hitters and pitchers. but you're not going to find a much more reliable player - let alone pitcher - to bank on than oswalt.
Its still a pitcher who has thrown 210 inning
And Hanley is definitely worth a 2nd
if you say so
Sure I do
like i said
They might be...but
It's all just statisitically jargon anyways...It really just measures how much a players stats you can trust, which makes sense why Maggs score is so low. He had a CAREER year. Even if he comes back down to earth, he's still has a higher draft value in the fantasy world than Oswalt.
I'm not sure what "reliability scores"
who is shandler?
Ron Shandler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Shandler
by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Oswalt
Over the last three years...Down in W, SO. Up in WHIP, ERA. He's not worthy of second round pick.
sigh
as for these "trends," his ERA has been between 2.94 and 3.18. the phrase "statistical noise" comes to mind for describing such a miniscule variation.
Love it!
That is why I asked you guys....you know a lot more than me on this subject.
Thanks for all of your help and go have a cold one- it's Friday.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
bobby
by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think you are too much in the real world
run the numbers, then
I am truly puzzled by your view on this Larry.
i added them up using PECOTA
Scoring for Batting Categories
1B - Singles 1 point [105]
2B - Doubles 2 points [35]
3B - Triples 3 points [1]
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point [59]
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point [2]
E - Errors -2 points [2]
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point [4]
HR - Home Runs 4 points [19]
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point [75]
R - Runs 1 point [83]
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point [88]
SB - Stolen Bases 2.5 points [5]
SF - Sacrifice Flies 1 point [5]
SH - Sacrifice Hits 1 point [0]
Scoring for Pitching Categories
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points [50]
BS - Blown Saves -2 points [0]
CG - Complete Games 5 points [2]
ER - Earned Runs -1 point [80]
HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points [205]
INN - Innings 2 points [199.7]
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point [138]
L - Losses -5 points [10]
S - Saves 9 points [0]
SO - Shutouts 5 points [1]
W - Wins 10 points [13]
and if i wanted to color this even more for oswalt, i'd use shandler's numbers (which is what i'd lean towards if i were doing this for me) or some weighted combination. but i think everyone knows PECOTA and accepts it as a generally reliable measure and there's no need to make this more complicated.
All I can say is Id welcome you
But hell even in your own numbers a hitter and pitcher with the same points easily favors a hitter.
Larry there is a reason on avg Maggs is picked 25-32 or so, while Oswalt comes in 65-75.
Or in Roto auction value Maggs comes in at about $28 while Oswalt garners $17.
I dont know what bitchin life you are referring to or do you play in the receptionist league at work or something?
Im not good at linking
Maggs Rk 31 - ADP 32.45 - 3 round 3 pick (14 teams)
Oswalt Rk 74 - ADP 75.64 - 6 round 4th pick (14 teams)
you're really funny tdogg
shandler value for oswalt in roto auction: $23
i used a projection system to back up what i said. shandler, as you can guess from the above, has basically the same result. how many more do you want?
i know you disagree with this. so what. that's rather the point of fantasy baseball. i still can't figure out why you can't admit that maybe - just maybe - there's a debate.
and quit it with these silly attacks. receptionist? rocket scientist? at this point, your smugness is hilarious, not cutting.
I dont subscribe to Shandler's site
You will not find one respected auction draft where Oswalt goes for as much as Maggs in a mixed league, especially in expert ones.
I know you are very intelligent Larry and versed in many things, but you don't know everything. I get everyone doesn't play fantasy and could care less, but you didnt even seem to understand the value of Hanley vs a first rounder.
If you found the receptionist thing hilarious thats good. It was meant to be, but you calling anyone smug is downright a knee slapper.
I'll be sure to post the results of the Tout Wars auction later this month.
The argument is quite simple....
Reliable or not, he's still not worth a second round pick.
We should probably start a fantasy diary
I'm in...
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Oswalt lost a lot of defense behind him
Id keep Magglio and Hanley.
I'd be tempted to keep Hunter over Maggs, since SB are worth 1.5 and the Angels run like crazy, but I think Maggs is the pick.
by Gus on Mar 7, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
What round per pick do you forfeit?
Hanley for sure.
2nd one Ordonez
First Round
If I forfeit to keep anyone and just draft, I keep the early picks.
BUT, other teams will be keeping players and if everyone keeps a player or two than the draft pool starts off with the top 14-28 players already off the board.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
keep hanley
You think Oswalt
I could see Maggs being right around there...but I would think Oswalt might go a little higher.
I agree Ramirez is a no brainer...it is whether I take Oswalt, Maggs or use the draft pick...
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
i would consider
So the Consensus is...
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
you I keep, you I toss
Ramriz
Salty
Oswalt
The biggest risks for the top two are position changes. The Rangers say they're going to leave salty behind the plate, but his bat is too good and they lack a first baseman. And Ramirez is a butcher at ss. I'd expect him to be in the outfield soon.
Ordonez is a huge risk because he had career highs in everything last year and, as shown in the THT article above, he's due for a batting average collapse.
I wouldn't touch Hunter either, he has lots of his value tied up in Defense, which I've yet to see used in a fantasy league well yet.
And Carmona & Street? Feh. Mid to late rounders. Too much risk.
I am surprised
After that, I'd would go Maggs. Even with the expected drop in BA, he is still going to have a ton of opportunities to drive in runs in that lineup. Plus, there is always pitching to be had in later rounds and the OF crop seems a little thin this year.
Who the hell is
Distaster in Game 2
No hitting, no pitching, no defense
Just looked at box of game 1
Bears sign WR Brandon Lloyd to a 1-year deal...
Marty Booker
Brandon Lloyd
Mark Bradley
Rashied Davis
Mike Hass
Ugly.
Yeah :-( not.
Both Hackett and Johnson are available...
Pretty safe to say
Remember we have 1 first, 1 second and 2 thirds (from Thomas Jones trade).
Probably draft an OT, RB, WR and possibly another lineman, offensive or defensive.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds better than
Who is that Garland guy, sounds like a pretty good pitcher

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